This is ALL Stefanski's Fault. The Offense is what it is because of HIM
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I suppose several of you are not factoring in injuries and staffing on field. It’s kind of like criticizing a race car for not running at top speed when it’s going on 3 tires and 6/8 cylinders. When Baker is healthy with a healthy line if we don’t take shots perhaps I’ll listen.
I suppose several of you are not factoring in injuries and staffing on field. It’s kind of like criticizing a race car for not running at top speed when it’s going on 3 tires and 6/8 cylinders. When Baker is healthy with a healthy line if we don’t take shots perhaps I’ll listen.
No shots.. Nothing explosive. Pathetic.
We're pathetic. Other than the Stanton TD last week, can anyone remember the last time we even threw a ball into the end zone? Cause that's where you score points I've been told.
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Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
the steelers put a hurtin on our ol....they stuffed the run.....and we don't have really good receivers as the stats will tell you that.....we have wideouts that fumble the ball...landry.....we have wideouts that are slow....higgins.....what happened to schwartz....oh yeah...and good ole odelli belchham....a good ole typical day for him...1 catch for 5 yds...oh wait...we only acquired him to stretch the field as per some board members say.....how's that workin out......yeah....we need him on he field to strech out the d......hmmmmm....and the d....do we have any interceptions this yr....by anyone....i guess its a race to the finish line with td receptions by our wr's and int's by our d...for last place....aye yi yi....
the steelers put a hurtin on our ol....they stuffed the run.....and we don't have really good receivers as the stats will tell you that.....we have wideouts that fumble the ball...landry.....we have wideouts that are slow....higgins.....what happened to schwartz....oh yeah...and good ole odelli belchham....a good ole typical day for him...1 catch for 5 yds...oh wait...we only acquired him to stretch the field as per some board members say.....how's that workin out......yeah....we need him on he field to strech out the d......hmmmmm....and the d....do we have any interceptions this yr....by anyone....i guess its a race to the finish line with td receptions by our wr's and int's by our d...for last place....aye yi yi....
Coulda, shoudla had one today. Forgot which DB it was but Bens pass hit him right in the hands.
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the steelers put a hurtin on our ol....they stuffed the run.....and we don't have really good receivers as the stats will tell you that.....we have wideouts that fumble the ball...landry.....we have wideouts that are slow....higgins.....what happened to schwartz....oh yeah...and good ole odelli belchham....a good ole typical day for him...1 catch for 5 yds...oh wait...we only acquired him to stretch the field as per some board members say.....how's that workin out......yeah....we need him on he field to strech out the d......hmmmmm....and the d....do we have any interceptions this yr....by anyone....i guess its a race to the finish line with td receptions by our wr's and int's by our d...for last place....aye yi yi....
Coulda, shoudla had one today. Forgot which DB it was but Bens pass hit him right in the hands.
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Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
..they stuffed the run...
I feel the need to grade the OL... busy day tomorrow but maybe Wed/Thurs I'll have time to generate some data.
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It was Delpit. But the linebacker ran in front and tipped it. No clue who the Rapist was throwing that to on that play. Was on a silver platter.
Can somebody make an effing PLAY? I mean, can we get a freaking turnover? Can we maybe jump on a fumble? Myles Garrett has 10.5 sacks, wouldn't you think he'd ACCIDENTALLY cause an effing fumble? His sack against Big Ben was the perfect example. Ben didn't see him at all and didn't have the ball secured. He was holding it just under his chest and Myles didn't even take a swipe at it.
I don't know what to tell you. All I know is NOBODY makes plays. Austin Hooper drops a potential TD pass on the first drive. Yes, it was high, but so what? It's the NFL! The ball was between both of his hands! Pittsburgh rookie TE makes an unbelievable catch on 4th and goal from the 12 yard line. But we can't catch a ball that's high?
Baker missed Njoku on a deep TD opportunity. For those of you who didn't see it, it's the play where Baker got hit late out of bounds with no call (obviously) and got up and made that dramatic first down signal. Watch on the left side and Njoku breaks free from Schobert with no safety help. Baker doesn't throw it. Again.
Speaking of Schobert, he's the one who stripped Jarvis of the ball at around the Pittsburgh 20 yard line. Yes, THAT Joe Schobert. The guy who who hasn't done anything the last 2 years won the game for the Steelers. Do we have anyone who can strip the ball? How was that NOT Baker's moment? We're down 5, he drives us all the way down the field with no running game, we get the ball to the 20 but NOPE! Jarvis fumbles it. I don't get it. Nine of this makes sense.
How does OBJ get 1 target? And don't give me this bullcrap about double-teams. You think Deondre Hopkins doesn't see that? You think HE gets one target? What the heck is going on?
Also, in the last 3 games, there's been EIGHT fumbles and we've recovered ZERO of them. For the season, the Browns are recovering 31% of fumbles on defense. That would be good for LAST in the league last year if that stat doesn't change.
How does Njoku only have 3 catches? Harrison Bryant 2? How do you have 6 drops in the biggest game of the year? How do you lose a game against a team with no kicker for an entire half?
Nobody has any answers. Analysts, coaches, players...nobody knows. It's past the weird stage and full into the bizarre category. All I know is Baker can't throw TDs, he never throws into the end zone, our players are choking, and we can't pick up a 4th down conversion.
We have one team remaining on our schedule with a record under .500, and that's the Lions who will likely beat us. Who are we going to beat? And I hate to say this, but there are zero qb's in this draft, so either it's Baker or or we're going with an Andy Dalton type.
We're 4-4, and a few years ago that would have been AMAZING, but now it's cause for alarm and we're stuck wondering who we can beat the entire rest of the year.
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Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
I finally watched the Denver game that I recorded while in England. It was a gutsy performance by a heavily banged up team. I think few on the board are seriously understanding how banged up we really are. After watching OBJ limp very slowly off the field near the end, I am not surprised by the low number of targets the following game. He is not being a slacker. He's trying to do what the team needs from him against a very difficult defense to beat in Pitt. His speed and cutting ability is what makes him special. Right now he has neither and that makes him easy to cover compared to the norm.
Bunch of spoiled whiny fans around here. Try to appreciate what we have as they all start to heal up some.
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Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
Um OK- Stefanski wins Coach of the Year... And since we're not 6-1 or 7-0, all of a sudden he sucks. Yeah right. Some folks are never going to be happy.
Those things aren't mutually exclusive. Stefanski absolutely earned that COTY award. We beat Minnesota, in large part, because he called an offense that worked around Baker's inability to go deep.
The locker room is apparently fractured over who does and doesn't trust Baker. Baker was lights out for the second half of last season, and the windows he hit on long balls in the KC game were surgical. I do not buy the take that Baker is simply a bad QB. However, his play has been piss poor since week 2 of this season, so I have to ask "What changed?" Well, he tore his labrum that week and injured it further a few weeks later. He needs to swallow his pride, get his surgery, and ride the pine so he can come back better next year.
Cohesion of the locker room is ultimately the responsibility of Stefanski. Coach assured everyone that Baker's play was not affected by the injury and continued to play him, which has cost us games. And now we have OBJ's dad posting videos of how much he thinks Baker sucks and Lebron calling on the Browns to free OBJ. This is a leadership disaster. Is this ALL Stefanski's fault like OP said? No. Baker's gunshy. Our receivers can't catch. Our defense is swiss cheese. We create too many penalties. Stefanski, for all of his accolades, hasn't done a good job leading the team this year.
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Stefanski wants a run first offense with wr's who run precise routes and a qb that precisely goes through their progressions, fast. I see a problem.
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Emmanuel Acho@EmmanuelAchoTargets to star wide receivers in Kevin Stefanski’s offense:
Odell Beckham 📉 32%.
Stefon Diggs 📉 by 38%
Adam Thielen 📉 by 58%
OBJ’s lack of production is on the Head coach, not Baker Mayfield. #Browns -
Emmanuel Acho@EmmanuelAchoTargets to star wide receivers in Kevin Stefanski’s offense:
Odell Beckham 📉 32%.
Stefon Diggs 📉 by 38%
Adam Thielen 📉 by 58%
OBJ’s lack of production is on the Head coach, not Baker Mayfield. #Browns -
Emmanuel Acho@EmmanuelAchoTargets to star wide receivers in Kevin Stefanski’s offense:
Odell Beckham 📉 32%.
Stefon Diggs 📉 by 38%
Adam Thielen 📉 by 58%
OBJ’s lack of production is on the Head coach, not Baker Mayfield. #BrownsWonder why all these national media outlets think he is in the same category as those other WR's?
Watch Berry's press conference he said something that stuck out. "The Offense is set up to throw and take advantages of the miss matches. That why we have so many different receivers that get the ball and why each game has different leading receivers"
My feeling after hearing that and seeing Berry pay the guy 7.5 million to play against him the rest of the year is he doesn't think Beckham is anywhere close to tier one.
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We'll see what Stefanski and Baker can do tomorrow. Baker is PISSED. I like him angry.
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A cause and affect statement. Just win baby!
Some teams run with the pass...little 4 yard passes. We run with the run. And that's fine....as long as we can pass when we have to pass. And we 'should' be able to pass with OBJ, Landry, Hooper, Njoku, Schwartz, Felton and Higgins on the team. (key word being 'should')
the browns under stefanski have never really been able to pass when the other team knows its pass. that is not how the offense is designed. its a front running offense with a playaction passing game.
that doesnt work when its under 2 min and the other team knows you are throwing.
the browns under stefanski have never really been able to pass when the other team knows its pass. that is not how the offense is designed. its a front running offense with a playaction passing game.
that doesnt work when its under 2 min and the other team knows you are throwing.
Believe it or not, just click on the link above that says "Watch on YouTube" and it will still work. Watch what happens in 66 seconds vrs Cincy with no timeouts remaining.
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the browns under stefanski have never really been able to pass when the other team knows its pass. that is not how the offense is designed. its a front running offense with a playaction passing game.
that doesnt work when its under 2 min and the other team knows you are throwing.
Believe it or not, just click on the link above that says "Watch on YouTube" and it will still work. Watch what happens in 66 seconds vrs Cincy with no timeouts remaining.
Believe it or not, just click on the link that says watch on youtube and it will still work. Watch what happens in 66 seconds with no timeouts remaining. Not that it will prevent anyone from thinking what the national media that never watches Cleveland play is them.
I don't know man. This team has no magic. We haven't stopped a team on 4th down in 100 years and it feels like we screw up every 4th down WE have on offense. We scored 10 effing points in the biggest game of the year against our biggest rival. At HOME. Oh yeah, a d they didn't have a freaking kicker for an entire half. GTFOH!
Ok...deep breath. But seriously, what's changed? Do people still remember our QB is struggling AND injured? Do you people REALLY believe our team is better without OBJ? I never saw him quit. I always saw him blocking, running hard, breaking open, and playing HURT. Did he have a few bad drops? He sure did. But guess what? Jarvis literally lost a game by HIMSELF by dropping multiple passes and fumbling. Jarvis also dropped a HUGE 3rd and 9 against the Broncos on a perfect back shoulder toss by Keenum.
What's changed? How are we going to extend the field? Who is getting vertical? Please don't say Schwartz. Just don't. We operate our offense in a damn phone booth. EVERYTHING is within 10 yards.
I love Baker and I know he's hurt, but we need him now.
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Believe it or not, just click on the link that says watch on youtube and it will still work. Watch what happens in 66 seconds with no timeouts remaining. Not that it will prevent anyone from thinking what the national media that never watches Cleveland play is them.
I don't know man. This team has no magic. We haven't stopped a team on 4th down in 100 years and it feels like we screw up every 4th down WE have on offense. We scored 10 effing points in the biggest game of the year against our biggest rival. At HOME. Oh yeah, a d they didn't have a freaking kicker for an entire half. GTFOH!
Ok...deep breath. But seriously, what's changed? Do people still remember our QB is struggling AND injured? Do you people REALLY believe our team is better without OBJ? I never saw him quit. I always saw him blocking, running hard, breaking open, and playing HURT. Did he have a few bad drops? He sure did. But guess what? Jarvis literally lost a game by HIMSELF by dropping multiple passes and fumbling. Jarvis also dropped a HUGE 3rd and 9 against the Broncos on a perfect back shoulder toss by Keenum.
What's changed? How are we going to extend the field? Who is getting vertical? Please don't say Schwartz. Just don't. We operate our offense in a damn phone booth. EVERYTHING is within 10 yards.
I love Baker and I know he's hurt, but we need him now.
I don't know man. This team has no magic. We haven't stopped a team on 4th down in 100 years and it feels like we screw up every 4th down WE have on offense. We scored 10 effing points in the biggest game of the year against our biggest rival. At HOME. Oh yeah, a d they didn't have a freaking kicker for an entire half. GTFOH!
Ok...deep breath. But seriously, what's changed? Do people still remember our QB is struggling AND injured? Do you people REALLY believe our team is better without OBJ? I never saw him quit. I always saw him blocking, running hard, breaking open, and playing HURT. Did he have a few bad drops? He sure did. But guess what? Jarvis literally lost a game by HIMSELF by dropping multiple passes and fumbling. Jarvis also dropped a HUGE 3rd and 9 against the Broncos on a perfect back shoulder toss by Keenum.
What's changed? How are we going to extend the field? Who is getting vertical? Please don't say Schwartz. Just don't. We operate our offense in a damn phone booth. EVERYTHING is within 10 yards.
I love Baker and I know he's hurt, but we need him now.
but Jarvis is also playing banged up. and the lack of a true deep threat scaring defenses lets them play closeer to the los. Tighter windows. obj played hard, but only played for himself. If he can't be a star and be cool with his "brand", he pouts, whines and is a distraction. It is a serious indication of the problem - big plays by others, he doesn't care. Baker gets blasted at the sideline while playing injured and wearing a brace - he doesn't care. He just goes off by himself, no emotion. He was that way with the Giants.
If Peoples-Jones can play today - the heck with napoleon obj. I expect a big win today. This is a TEAM that bounces back really well, ....when healthy. I also expect Schwartz to start playing a bigger role. We'll see.
He did fine last year. But Landry is a real team leader and player. obj is obsessed with himself. too bad.
Case is point - Dwayne Bowe said recently that the "Browns are ruining obj's brand". That tells you why Bowe signed a two year contract, but only lasted a year.
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Believe it or not, just click on the link that says watch on youtube and it will still work. Watch what happens in 66 seconds with no timeouts remaining. Not that it will prevent anyone from thinking what the national media that never watches Cleveland play is them.
I don't know man. This team has no magic. We haven't stopped a team on 4th down in 100 years and it feels like we screw up every 4th down WE have on offense. We scored 10 effing points in the biggest game of the year against our biggest rival. At HOME. Oh yeah, a d they didn't have a freaking kicker for an entire half. GTFOH!
Ok...deep breath. But seriously, what's changed? Do people still remember our QB is struggling AND injured? Do you people REALLY believe our team is better without OBJ? I never saw him quit. I always saw him blocking, running hard, breaking open, and playing HURT. Did he have a few bad drops? He sure did. But guess what? Jarvis literally lost a game by HIMSELF by dropping multiple passes and fumbling. Jarvis also dropped a HUGE 3rd and 9 against the Broncos on a perfect back shoulder toss by Keenum.
What's changed? How are we going to extend the field? Who is getting vertical? Please don't say Schwartz. Just don't. We operate our offense in a damn phone booth. EVERYTHING is within 10 yards.
I love Baker and I know he's hurt, but we need him now.
I don't know man. This team has no magic. We haven't stopped a team on 4th down in 100 years and it feels like we screw up every 4th down WE have on offense. We scored 10 effing points in the biggest game of the year against our biggest rival. At HOME. Oh yeah, a d they didn't have a freaking kicker for an entire half. GTFOH!
Ok...deep breath. But seriously, what's changed? Do people still remember our QB is struggling AND injured? Do you people REALLY believe our team is better without OBJ? I never saw him quit. I always saw him blocking, running hard, breaking open, and playing HURT. Did he have a few bad drops? He sure did. But guess what? Jarvis literally lost a game by HIMSELF by dropping multiple passes and fumbling. Jarvis also dropped a HUGE 3rd and 9 against the Broncos on a perfect back shoulder toss by Keenum.
What's changed? How are we going to extend the field? Who is getting vertical? Please don't say Schwartz. Just don't. We operate our offense in a damn phone booth. EVERYTHING is within 10 yards.
I love Baker and I know he's hurt, but we need him now.
I understand your concerns. Here's my take. Wills is back and Hance is a better RT than Hudson at replacing Conklin for starters. That's an improvement over watching Hance at LT and Hudson at RT.
Keep in mind, a 17 game season isn't a quick sprint. It's a marathon. Didn't our 11-5 season include a loss to the Jets? And didn't Cincy lose to the Jets after Rathousing Baltimore?
Did you watch the video I shared above? It works if you read my directions below it. Baker wasn't throwing to Jarvis or OBJ - he threw to Higgins and a very inexperienced DPJ for the game winning drive (w/no timeouts) punctuated by a TD. That drive began with 66 seconds on the clock w/a 3 point deficit and ended with 11 seconds remaining and a 4 point lead. Both Cincy games were fun to watch last year.
FWIW, Baker sporting the injury you speak of - threw a Hail Mary Pass from his own 37 into the end zone to DPJ recently.
If we're healthy enough to handle the edge in pass pro today, I'm not worried about who we will use as our deep threat.
We accomplished a lot of our 11-5 regular season plus a 48-37 playoff W without any superstars on the perimeter. Landry played on a bad hip and OBJ was hit or miss until he got injured. The rest of the guys stepped up to the challenge and treated us to Make-It-Happensville.
Moving forward, let's see what this team is made of...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
What an appropriate way to end the week considering the name of this thread!
The OLD Browns would have took it all as the perfect excuse to quit on the season. Not these guys! As we saw last year, they were dialed in and prepared to compete on both sides of the ball.
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I don't know man. This team has no magic. We haven't stopped a team on 4th down in 100 years and it feels like we screw up every 4th down WE have on offense. We scored 10 effing points in the biggest game of the year against our biggest rival. At HOME. Oh yeah, a d they didn't have a freaking kicker for an entire half. GTFOH!
Ok...deep breath. But seriously, what's changed? Do people still remember our QB is struggling AND injured? Do you people REALLY believe our team is better without OBJ? I never saw him quit. I always saw him blocking, running hard, breaking open, and playing HURT. Did he have a few bad drops? He sure did. But guess what? Jarvis literally lost a game by HIMSELF by dropping multiple passes and fumbling. Jarvis also dropped a HUGE 3rd and 9 against the Broncos on a perfect back shoulder toss by Keenum.
What's changed? How are we going to extend the field? Who is getting vertical? Please don't say Schwartz. Just don't. We operate our offense in a damn phone booth. EVERYTHING is within 10 yards.
I love Baker and I know he's hurt, but we need him now.
I understand your concerns. Here's my take. Wills is back and Hance is a better RT than Hudson at replacing Conklin for starters. That's an improvement over watching Hance at LT and Hudson at RT.
Keep in mind, a 17 game season isn't a quick sprint. It's a marathon. Didn't our 11-5 season include a loss to the Jets? And didn't Cincy lose to the Jets after Rathousing Baltimore?
Did you watch the video I shared above? It works if you read my directions below it. Baker wasn't throwing to Jarvis or OBJ - he threw to Higgins and a very inexperienced DPJ for the game winning drive (w/no timeouts) punctuated by a TD. That drive began with 66 seconds on the clock w/a 3 point deficit and ended with 11 seconds remaining and a 4 point lead. Both Cincy games were fun to watch last year.
FWIW, Baker sporting the injury you speak of - threw a Hail Mary Pass from his own 37 into the end zone to DPJ recently.
If we're healthy enough to handle the edge in pass pro today, I'm not worried about who we will use as our deep threat.
We accomplished a lot of our 11-5 regular season plus a 48-37 playoff W without any superstars on the perimeter. Landry played on a bad hip and OBJ was hit or miss until he got injured. The rest of the guys stepped up to the challenge and treated us to Make-It-Happensville.
Moving forward, let's see what this team is made of...
Moving forward, let's see what this team is made of...
I saw the Magic! I saw the big plays, the sacks, the turnovers, and a team playing together. Breaking up passes, getting some LUCK finally, and a team that stayed together. Perhaps that OBJ release really did help. Right now we need DPJ to stay healthy and hope those turnovers keep coming. Totally different team.
Let's GO.
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