ALERT - Obama planning a national address to SCHOOLCHILDREN
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The thing about tacking engineering projects, 6 and 7 years older, is that they are tangible. The problem when talking about any philosophical view point (religion, politics, philosophy in general and even to a degree economics) is that it is all theory. It is all based on a 'network' of ideas within ones self. I'm just not comfortable with 5-7 year olds tackling issues like how can I help the President, when helping the President would necessarily depend on a good understanding of an individuals network of ideas.
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I say we leave them alone until they are old enough to go to jail and in the meantime have them sell crack for me.
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We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Obama, leave them kids alone
Hey! Obama! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
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We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Obama, leave them kids alone
Hey! Obama! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
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I am confused BOTH Reagon and Bush Sr did speeches directed toward kids and education broadcast in schools? What exactly is the difference?
Wait let me guess.... its a democrat.... nevermind
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/us/bush-...s-on-drugs.html
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/spee...1986/51386d.htm
Imagine that our President who is our leader wants to speak to our kids about the importance of education and maybe do the pledge of allegiance TO OUR COUNTRY with our kids.....
what a crazy line of attack.
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To many people want to have their romance with the american story, some sit around and quiver with the thought of a rags to riches story. And that is what the Obama machine wants to portray to the yougins.
It is a sad day in america when men started watching lifetime and the soap network.
I think instead of handing out sticky notes to the children to write their questions on, we should give them crayons and make them draw a picture of Barry Soetoro
Chris Matthews talks about Obama’s rough childhood, quite frequently……while doing so, he seems to leave out the part that his PhD mother, who previously had been married to a Harvard PhD (Barry sr.), remarried a wealthy oil executive, named Lolo Soetoro.
When Barack and his mother lived in Indonesia, with Oil exec Lolo, he went by the name Barry Soetoro.
just the truth…….Obama never seems to mention this……..wonder why?
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I am confused BOTH Reagon and Bush Sr did speeches directed toward kids and education broadcast in schools? What exactly is the difference?
Wait let me guess.... its a democrat.... nevermind
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/us/bush-...s-on-drugs.html
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/spee...1986/51386d.htm
Imagine that our President who is our leader wants to speak to our kids about the importance of education and maybe do the pledge of allegiance TO OUR COUNTRY with our kids.....
what a crazy line of attack.
I am confused BOTH Reagon and Bush Sr did speeches directed toward kids and education broadcast in schools? What exactly is the difference?
Wait let me guess.... its a democrat.... nevermind
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/us/bush-...s-on-drugs.html
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/spee...1986/51386d.htm
Imagine that our President who is our leader wants to speak to our kids about the importance of education and maybe do the pledge of allegiance TO OUR COUNTRY with our kids.....
what a crazy line of attack.
The way people don't discuss and compare past presidents on this board is boarder line gay.
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Gayest post of 09.
Lighten up, Kosar. It was pretty clever if you ask me.
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Gal : "How can I help the President?"
Ask not...........................
Ahh you get it.
WSS
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Folks, this is serious - Obama is now the most divisive president in United States history.
On racial, economic, political, and now, domestic grounds.
The latter referring to the idea that school children, as young as 4 and 5, would be
instructed on how to idolize Obama, whatever, WITHOUT PARENTS KNOWING ABOUT IT,
.... ???
Anyways, I called the superintendent's office of my neices school system, and a really
great fellow graduate of Stow and I had a great fun conversation. She did graduated 3 years before I did..
She said they certainly have been getting calls, some of them libs who want ALL SCHOOL
CHILDREN to HAVE TO SEE OBAMA's presentation.
And, mostly, parents who are upset at the subterfuge of the idea that indoctrinating
young and older school children without the parent's permission, or awareness.
The information on how to construct the days' agenda on discussions of Obama
reeks of Mao in China.
Anyways, she said they left it up to the individual buildings' supers, to show it or not,
and if it IS shown, all Stow school children can be exempted with a note from their parents,
and teachers WILL honor those notes, as they have been instructed to do so.
The gal I talked to was fun, upbeat, and laughed at a few jokes we shared...
It was a great relatively short conversation, but a very nice one.
Anyways, this Obama worship message is to take place this coming Tuesday for
anyone wanting to get involved.
I am shocked that parents are being left out in the cold. That, to me, sends
an even more ominous signal that we are in for big, big trouble in this country.
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Sep 4, 7:04 AM (ET)
By LIBBY QUAID and LINDA STEWART BALL
DALLAS (AP) - When kids all across the country return to school Tuesday, some will see a welcoming message from President Barack Obama and some won't.
Obama's planned address to students has touched off yet another confrontation with Republican critics, who have battered the White House over health care and now accuse the president of foisting a political agenda on children.
The president will speak directly to students Tuesday about the need to work hard and stay in school. His address will be shown live on the White House Web site and on C-SPAN at noon EDT, a time when classrooms across the country will be able to tune in.
Schools don't have to show it. But districts across the country have been inundated with phone calls from parents and are struggling to address the controversy that broke out after Education Secretary Arne Duncan sent a letter to principals urging schools to tune in.
Districts in states including Texas, Illinois, Minnesota, Missouri, Virginia and Wisconsin have decided not to show the speech to students. Others are still thinking it over or are letting parents have their kids opt out.
Some conservatives, driven by radio pundits and bloggers, are urging schools and parents to boycott the address. They say Obama is using the opportunity to promote a political agenda and is overstepping the boundaries of federal involvement in schools.
"As far as I am concerned, this is not civics education - it gives the appearance of creating a cult of personality," said Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Steve Russell. "This is something you'd expect to see in North Korea or in Saddam Hussein's Iraq."
Arizona state schools superintendent Tom Horne, a Republican, said lesson plans for teachers created by Obama's Education Department "call for a worshipful rather than critical approach."
The White House plans to release the speech online Monday so parents can read it. The president will deliver the speech at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va.
"I think it's really unfortunate that politics has been brought into this," White House deputy policy director Heather Higginbottom said in an interview with The Associated Press.
"It's simply a plea to students to really take their learning seriously. Find out what they're good at. Set goals. And take the school year seriously."
She noted that President George H.W. Bush made a similar address to schools in 1991. Like Obama, Bush drew criticism, with Democrats accusing the Republican president of making the event into a campaign commercial.
Critics are particularly upset about lesson plans the administration created to accompany the speech. The lesson plans, available online, originally recommended having students "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."
The White House revised the plans Wednesday to say students could "write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals."
"That was inartfully worded, and we corrected it," Higginbottom said.
In the Dallas suburb of Plano, Texas, the 54,000-student school district is not showing the 15- to 20-minute address but will make the video available later.
PTA council president Cara Mendelsohn said Obama is "cutting out the parent" by speaking to kids during school hours.
"Why can't a parent be watching this with their kid in the evening?" Mendelsohn said. "Because that's what makes a powerful statement, when a parent is sitting there saying, 'This is what I dream for you. This is what I want you to achieve.'"
Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican, said in an interview with the AP that he's "certainly not going to advise anybody not to send their kids to school that day."
"Hearing the president speak is always a memorable moment," he said.
But he also said he understood where the criticism was coming from.
"Nobody seems to know what he's going to be talking about," Perry said. "Why didn't he spend more time talking to the local districts and superintendents, at least give them a heads-up about it?"
Several other Texas districts have decided not to show the speech, although the district in Houston is leaving the decision up to individual school principals. In suburban Houston, the Cypress-Fairbanks district planned to show the address and has had its social studies teachers assemble a curriculum and activities for students.
In Wisconsin, the Green Bay school district decided not to show the speech live and to let teachers decide individually whether to show it later.
Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer said in a statement he was "absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology." Despite his rhetoric, two of the larger Florida districts, Miami-Dade and Hillsborough, plan to have classes watch the speech. Students whose parents object will not have to watch.
The Minnesota Association of School Administrators is recommending against disrupting the first day of school to show the speech, but Minnesota's biggest teachers' union is urging schools to show it.
Quincy, Ill., schools decided Thursday not to show the speech. Superintendent Lonny Lemon said phone calls "hit like a load of bricks" on Wednesday.
One Idaho school superintendent, Murray Dalgleish of Council, urged people not to rush to judgment.
"Is the president dictating to these kids? I don't think so," Dalgleish said. "He's trying to get out the same message we're trying to get out, which is, 'You are in charge of your education.'"
--- Libby Quaid reported from Washington. Associated Press writers April Castro, Monica Rhor, Zinie Chen Sampson, Christine Armario, Jessie Bonner, Scott Bauer, Tim Talley, Martiga Lohn, Tammy Webber and Alan Zagier contributed to this report.
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I am not concerned by one thing...it is the overall that concerns me:
Direct address to children WITH instructions on how to help the Pres (not the country...which includes people who don't like the Pres and what he stands for)
The conversations about creating a militia
Then you look at the control over the banks...the control over the car industry (yes, I know we were 'helping' them...but control is still the end product)
Then you add in the connections with people and organizations that have more than their share of questionable reputations (ACORN, Apollo, etc).
I don't know what to believe or chalk up to partisan sniping...but where there is smoke there is usually fire...and my eyes are burning.
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Just an FYI...here are the responses to Bush's 1991 broadcast by a couple of high level Dems
The presidential library noted that the president spoke at 12:15 p.m. and that his remarks were "broadcast live by the Cable News Network, the Public Broadcasting System, the Mutual Broadcasting System, and the NBC radio network."
You may have guessed this already, but news reports from the time indicate that Democrats criticized Bush for giving the speech.
"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Rep. Richard Gephardt, then the Democratic majority leader in the House of Representatives."And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
Patricia Schroeder, then a Democratic member of Congress from Colorado, said the speech showed "the arrogance of power," and that the White House should not be "using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education.
Also, the major sticking point isn't so much the message, but the before and after materials...and the direct call for the kids to ask 'what should you do to help the president'. Talk about ego-maniacal and an 'arrogance of power'.
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"Is the president dictating to these kids? I don't think so," Dalgleish said. "He's trying to get out the same message we're trying to get out, which is, 'You are in charge of your education.'"
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To PRE-K, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc grade kids? THEY are in charge of their education?
NOT the PARENTS?
Like WPB said - the collective evidence is very, very troubling.
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good grief...... fear mongering again. Holy crap a president meaning our leader asking for children to see themselves as a valuable contributing citizen and recognizing their role and importance in governance.....
get over your politics they are shading your basic reasoning centers.
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@hiwaygal said:
Do you suppose that's what Marilyn Monroe asked JFK?
You mean "Please Jack, don't make me take all these pills!!!!"
WSS
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good grief...... fear mongering again. Holy crap a president meaning our leader asking for children to see themselves as a valuable contributing citizen and recognizing their role and importance in governance.....
get over your politics they are shading your basic reasoning centers. Sev
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Oh, Come ON, Sev. Go look at the online materials provided for teacher's use.
One question to stimulate discussion, was about "how can children in school
help Barack Obama?
That is political, Sev. That is the POINT. He is using this presentation
to STUDENTS, as YOUNG as 4 and 5 in pre-K, to "community organize" them...
ie, to manipulate them into his own politics.
I think most of America is now -alarmed- at his politics.
AND, Sev, this was getting at kids, to talk with their TEACHERS, per those materials,
and said NOTHING about talking to their parents.
Get the idea?
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cal... whew..... you are really bent out of political shape....
replace the name Barack Obama with PRESIDENT and than think about student interacting with wait a minute TEACHERS... and the subject matter is
their role in governance and the community........ WOW scary.....
its been what 8 months? the recession seems to have stabilized.... banks are not collapsing (as they were last year) Dodge is coming out of BK and operating... GM is reformed and coming out also..... the Markets are stable.... Congress is fighting about things that are actually important for once...
Health care and financial reforms..... The military is focused on a destabilized nuclear border with Pakistan.... yuk... no win situation really but still important on how we leave.
No stupid neocon overeaction about North korea... seems like they are coming around... Iran is well worried about their own internal problems.... no crazy statments about axis of evil.....
It seems like well we are progressing and you and other right wingers are screaming in town halls and now about this? Really?
Come on you could scream about a military escalation in a no win scenario in Afghanistan..... or Gauntanamo or Iraq occupation costs..... hell what about private contractor spending in military theatres? or what about the mexican border violence/immigration(this one is coming)? wait actually we are responsible for the mexican border violence.... criminilizing drugs has empowered criminal elements by increasing profits for them destabilizing their regions by money like we did with alcohol prohibition.
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Nice try, Sev, but you are changing the subject again.
And your Joe Biden dreamie exaggerations and bogus uplifting claims are not helping
getting to the real issue here.
It's Obama, who had an Anti-white people, Anti-American, vicious lying communist hate monger
in his administration.
Kinda makes way for my months ago joke about Obama appointing Angela Davis. Do you see
that I was right back then? Instincts, Sev. More and more Americans are having the hair on the
back of their necks, ie, "instincts", kick in and they are speaking out.
Unemployment just nationally INCREASED again. Some experts are saying we are facing
an economic crash in the worst way since the depression.
You won't be able to bleme THAT on Bush with a straight face, either.
Sev, get real. You are trying to put lipstick on the Nobama admin, while the Obama admin is:
"...reversing our long-term commintment to Israel-and instead giving almost a billion dollars to Hama"
(page xii of the introduction of Dick Morris's new book "Catastrophe").
Sev, you and Heck and Dan should consider reading Dick Morris's book, and also Mark Levin's
book "Liberty and Tyranny".
Then you might see what the rest of us are seeing. And we are very, very concerned.
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And,
couple Alinski's "Rules for Radicals", which he taught in college,
and working to get the personal favor of young children WITHOUT THEIR
PARENTS EVEN KNOWING ABOUT IT,
and you have dangerious territory.
You guys are welcome, like HiwayGal said, to voice your own opinions, instead of
complaining that others' voiced opinions are not to your liking.
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