ALERT - Obama planning a national address to SCHOOLCHILDREN
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I am not concerned by one thing...it is the overall that concerns me:
Direct address to children WITH instructions on how to help the Pres (not the country...which includes people who don't like the Pres and what he stands for)
The conversations about creating a militia
Then you look at the control over the banks...the control over the car industry (yes, I know we were 'helping' them...but control is still the end product)
Then you add in the connections with people and organizations that have more than their share of questionable reputations (ACORN, Apollo, etc).
I don't know what to believe or chalk up to partisan sniping...but where there is smoke there is usually fire...and my eyes are burning.
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Just an FYI...here are the responses to Bush's 1991 broadcast by a couple of high level Dems
The presidential library noted that the president spoke at 12:15 p.m. and that his remarks were "broadcast live by the Cable News Network, the Public Broadcasting System, the Mutual Broadcasting System, and the NBC radio network."
You may have guessed this already, but news reports from the time indicate that Democrats criticized Bush for giving the speech.
"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Rep. Richard Gephardt, then the Democratic majority leader in the House of Representatives."And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
Patricia Schroeder, then a Democratic member of Congress from Colorado, said the speech showed "the arrogance of power," and that the White House should not be "using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education.
Also, the major sticking point isn't so much the message, but the before and after materials...and the direct call for the kids to ask 'what should you do to help the president'. Talk about ego-maniacal and an 'arrogance of power'.
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"Is the president dictating to these kids? I don't think so," Dalgleish said. "He's trying to get out the same message we're trying to get out, which is, 'You are in charge of your education.'"
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To PRE-K, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc grade kids? THEY are in charge of their education?
NOT the PARENTS?
Like WPB said - the collective evidence is very, very troubling.
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good grief...... fear mongering again. Holy crap a president meaning our leader asking for children to see themselves as a valuable contributing citizen and recognizing their role and importance in governance.....
get over your politics they are shading your basic reasoning centers.
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@hiwaygal said:
Do you suppose that's what Marilyn Monroe asked JFK?
You mean "Please Jack, don't make me take all these pills!!!!"
WSS
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good grief...... fear mongering again. Holy crap a president meaning our leader asking for children to see themselves as a valuable contributing citizen and recognizing their role and importance in governance.....
get over your politics they are shading your basic reasoning centers. Sev
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Oh, Come ON, Sev. Go look at the online materials provided for teacher's use.
One question to stimulate discussion, was about "how can children in school
help Barack Obama?
That is political, Sev. That is the POINT. He is using this presentation
to STUDENTS, as YOUNG as 4 and 5 in pre-K, to "community organize" them...
ie, to manipulate them into his own politics.
I think most of America is now -alarmed- at his politics.
AND, Sev, this was getting at kids, to talk with their TEACHERS, per those materials,
and said NOTHING about talking to their parents.
Get the idea?
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cal... whew..... you are really bent out of political shape....
replace the name Barack Obama with PRESIDENT and than think about student interacting with wait a minute TEACHERS... and the subject matter is
their role in governance and the community........ WOW scary.....
its been what 8 months? the recession seems to have stabilized.... banks are not collapsing (as they were last year) Dodge is coming out of BK and operating... GM is reformed and coming out also..... the Markets are stable.... Congress is fighting about things that are actually important for once...
Health care and financial reforms..... The military is focused on a destabilized nuclear border with Pakistan.... yuk... no win situation really but still important on how we leave.
No stupid neocon overeaction about North korea... seems like they are coming around... Iran is well worried about their own internal problems.... no crazy statments about axis of evil.....
It seems like well we are progressing and you and other right wingers are screaming in town halls and now about this? Really?
Come on you could scream about a military escalation in a no win scenario in Afghanistan..... or Gauntanamo or Iraq occupation costs..... hell what about private contractor spending in military theatres? or what about the mexican border violence/immigration(this one is coming)? wait actually we are responsible for the mexican border violence.... criminilizing drugs has empowered criminal elements by increasing profits for them destabilizing their regions by money like we did with alcohol prohibition.
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Nice try, Sev, but you are changing the subject again.
And your Joe Biden dreamie exaggerations and bogus uplifting claims are not helping
getting to the real issue here.
It's Obama, who had an Anti-white people, Anti-American, vicious lying communist hate monger
in his administration.
Kinda makes way for my months ago joke about Obama appointing Angela Davis. Do you see
that I was right back then? Instincts, Sev. More and more Americans are having the hair on the
back of their necks, ie, "instincts", kick in and they are speaking out.
Unemployment just nationally INCREASED again. Some experts are saying we are facing
an economic crash in the worst way since the depression.
You won't be able to bleme THAT on Bush with a straight face, either.
Sev, get real. You are trying to put lipstick on the Nobama admin, while the Obama admin is:
"...reversing our long-term commintment to Israel-and instead giving almost a billion dollars to Hama"
(page xii of the introduction of Dick Morris's new book "Catastrophe").
Sev, you and Heck and Dan should consider reading Dick Morris's book, and also Mark Levin's
book "Liberty and Tyranny".
Then you might see what the rest of us are seeing. And we are very, very concerned.
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And,
couple Alinski's "Rules for Radicals", which he taught in college,
and working to get the personal favor of young children WITHOUT THEIR
PARENTS EVEN KNOWING ABOUT IT,
and you have dangerious territory.
You guys are welcome, like HiwayGal said, to voice your own opinions, instead of
complaining that others' voiced opinions are not to your liking.
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http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/09/_t..._house_has.html
yea here is the speech you right wingers are so afraid of.....
like I said politicizing everything thru your narrow political party telescope is insane.
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cal... whew..... you are really bent out of political shape....
replace the name Barack Obama with PRESIDENT and than think about student interacting with wait a minute TEACHERS... and the subject matter is
their role in governance and the community........ WOW scary.....
its been what 8 months? the recession seems to have stabilized.... banks are not collapsing (as they were last year) Dodge is coming out of BK and operating... GM is reformed and coming out also..... the Markets are stable.... Congress is fighting about things that are actually important for once...
Health care and financial reforms..... The military is focused on a destabilized nuclear border with Pakistan.... yuk... no win situation really but still important on how we leave.
No stupid neocon overeaction about North korea... seems like they are coming around... Iran is well worried about their own internal problems.... no crazy statments about axis of evil.....
It seems like well we are progressing and you and other right wingers are screaming in town halls and now about this? Really?
Come on you could scream about a military escalation in a no win scenario in Afghanistan..... or Gauntanamo or Iraq occupation costs..... hell what about private contractor spending in military theatres? or what about the mexican border violence/immigration(this one is coming)? wait actually we are responsible for the mexican border violence.... criminilizing drugs has empowered criminal elements by increasing profits for them destabilizing their regions by money like we did with alcohol prohibition.
replace the name Barack Obama with PRESIDENT and than think about student interacting with wait a minute TEACHERS... and the subject matter is
their role in governance and the community........ WOW scary.....
That is actually scary to me; especially when the original question wasn't, what's my role in governance and community? The original question was How Can I Help the President? How is the President inspiring Me? Now if you're honestly telling me that you see no political overtone there than maybe it's a lost discussion. But even the Dept of Education saw enough concern to pull those questions from its' "lesson plan" that was sent out in preparation for the speech.
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It isn't what Obama says. It is what he DOES.
Plain Local Schools allowed the pres' speech.
But they forbid the use of the suggested education materials
online from the OEA.
Obama said it himself, he learned how to say the "right" things...
to get power.
Smoke and mirrors, what the reality is behind the facade',
is what you actually end up getting. And it is very Un-American.
Just ask Israel.
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good god cal at first its what obama is saying to brainwash our children now its not what he says but the fact he is talking to america's children...
good grief...... it was mostly about personal responsibility....
Listen I dont think Obama is handling the middle east well or really is doing anything different than Bush Jr would have done at this point... I dont think Obama is leading on Health care but letting the political infighting happen in congress which again is just being a politician, there are a myriad of things I dont agree with but this fear mongering using terms like brainwashing children is the same garbage about death panels coming from the right side.
IF you and the right would have waited to criticize AFTER you knew the content of his speech it would be one thing but this proliferating of hate and fear based criticisms is insane and irresponsible.
Just like all of this venom about health care WHEN NOTHING has even come out of both houses regarding a bill to be voted on yet..... wait and see first before you get up in arms....
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It isn't what Obama says. It is what he DOES.
Plain Local Schools allowed the pres' speech.
But they forbid the use of the suggested education materials
online from the OEA.
Obama said it himself, he learned how to say the "right" things...
to get power.
Smoke and mirrors, what the reality is behind the facade',
is what you actually end up getting. And it is very Un-American.
Just ask Israel.
And it is very Un-American.
I am just popping in to say how truly low this has actually gotten. The President speaking to schoolchildren is Un-American? I was listening to the TV in the airport this morning and heard the story of the Retarded parents calling their school boards fearing the Socialist Indoctrination and wanting to ban their kids from hearing the President speak. Are they serious? Really??
Cal, you and the rest of this crew who complain to school boards are truly sick, misguided bastards. I mean bigtime. This stuff has really started to infect your brains and I cannot help but feel some modicum of sympathy. ANY kid would be supremely lucky to have ANY president come to his/her school to talk, in person. Kids don't care about politics or ideology, they just think seeing the president is really really cool.
Even this one.
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And it is very Un-American.
I am just popping in to say how truly low this has actually gotten. The President speaking to schoolchildren is Un-American? I was listening to the TV in the airport this morning and heard the story of the Retarded parents calling their school boards fearing the Socialist Indoctrination and wanting to ban their kids from hearing the President speak. Are they serious? Really??
Cal, you and the rest of this crew who complain to school boards are truly sick, misguided bastards. I mean bigtime. This stuff has really started to infect your brains and I cannot help but feel some modicum of sympathy. ANY kid would be supremely lucky to have ANY president come to his/her school to talk, in person. Kids don't care about politics or ideology, they just think seeing the president is really really cool.
Even this one.
mz. said:
I am just popping in to say how truly low this has actually gotten. The President speaking to schoolchildren is Un-American? I was listening to the TV in the airport this morning and heard the story of the Retarded parents calling their school boards fearing the Socialist Indoctrination and wanting to ban their kids from hearing the President speak. Are they serious? Really??Cal, you and the rest of this crew who complain to school boards are truly sick, misguided bastards. I mean bigtime. This stuff has really started to infect your brains and I cannot help but feel some modicum of sympathy. ANY kid would be supremely lucky to have ANY president come to his/her school to talk, in person. Kids don't care about politics or ideology, they just think seeing the president is really really cool.
Even this one.
So are you only going to reply to the polarizing figures that you complain so much about or do you have a response to the problem that a lot of us had which was the Dept of Education lesson plan to accompany the speech?
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Relax, folks. Marx, Alinsky and Ayers aren't rearing their ugly heads in the speech or materials.
I just can't believe seemingly intelligent people are getting all up in arms over something so darn silly.
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