ALERT - Obama planning a national address to SCHOOLCHILDREN
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good grief...... fear mongering again. Holy crap a president meaning our leader asking for children to see themselves as a valuable contributing citizen and recognizing their role and importance in governance.....
get over your politics they are shading your basic reasoning centers. Sev
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Oh, Come ON, Sev. Go look at the online materials provided for teacher's use.
One question to stimulate discussion, was about "how can children in school
help Barack Obama?
That is political, Sev. That is the POINT. He is using this presentation
to STUDENTS, as YOUNG as 4 and 5 in pre-K, to "community organize" them...
ie, to manipulate them into his own politics.
I think most of America is now -alarmed- at his politics.
AND, Sev, this was getting at kids, to talk with their TEACHERS, per those materials,
and said NOTHING about talking to their parents.
Get the idea?
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cal... whew..... you are really bent out of political shape....
replace the name Barack Obama with PRESIDENT and than think about student interacting with wait a minute TEACHERS... and the subject matter is
their role in governance and the community........ WOW scary.....
its been what 8 months? the recession seems to have stabilized.... banks are not collapsing (as they were last year) Dodge is coming out of BK and operating... GM is reformed and coming out also..... the Markets are stable.... Congress is fighting about things that are actually important for once...
Health care and financial reforms..... The military is focused on a destabilized nuclear border with Pakistan.... yuk... no win situation really but still important on how we leave.
No stupid neocon overeaction about North korea... seems like they are coming around... Iran is well worried about their own internal problems.... no crazy statments about axis of evil.....
It seems like well we are progressing and you and other right wingers are screaming in town halls and now about this? Really?
Come on you could scream about a military escalation in a no win scenario in Afghanistan..... or Gauntanamo or Iraq occupation costs..... hell what about private contractor spending in military theatres? or what about the mexican border violence/immigration(this one is coming)? wait actually we are responsible for the mexican border violence.... criminilizing drugs has empowered criminal elements by increasing profits for them destabilizing their regions by money like we did with alcohol prohibition.
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Nice try, Sev, but you are changing the subject again.
And your Joe Biden dreamie exaggerations and bogus uplifting claims are not helping
getting to the real issue here.
It's Obama, who had an Anti-white people, Anti-American, vicious lying communist hate monger
in his administration.
Kinda makes way for my months ago joke about Obama appointing Angela Davis. Do you see
that I was right back then? Instincts, Sev. More and more Americans are having the hair on the
back of their necks, ie, "instincts", kick in and they are speaking out.
Unemployment just nationally INCREASED again. Some experts are saying we are facing
an economic crash in the worst way since the depression.
You won't be able to bleme THAT on Bush with a straight face, either.
Sev, get real. You are trying to put lipstick on the Nobama admin, while the Obama admin is:
"...reversing our long-term commintment to Israel-and instead giving almost a billion dollars to Hama"
(page xii of the introduction of Dick Morris's new book "Catastrophe").
Sev, you and Heck and Dan should consider reading Dick Morris's book, and also Mark Levin's
book "Liberty and Tyranny".
Then you might see what the rest of us are seeing. And we are very, very concerned.
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And,
couple Alinski's "Rules for Radicals", which he taught in college,
and working to get the personal favor of young children WITHOUT THEIR
PARENTS EVEN KNOWING ABOUT IT,
and you have dangerious territory.
You guys are welcome, like HiwayGal said, to voice your own opinions, instead of
complaining that others' voiced opinions are not to your liking.
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http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/09/_t..._house_has.html
yea here is the speech you right wingers are so afraid of.....
like I said politicizing everything thru your narrow political party telescope is insane.
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cal... whew..... you are really bent out of political shape....
replace the name Barack Obama with PRESIDENT and than think about student interacting with wait a minute TEACHERS... and the subject matter is
their role in governance and the community........ WOW scary.....
its been what 8 months? the recession seems to have stabilized.... banks are not collapsing (as they were last year) Dodge is coming out of BK and operating... GM is reformed and coming out also..... the Markets are stable.... Congress is fighting about things that are actually important for once...
Health care and financial reforms..... The military is focused on a destabilized nuclear border with Pakistan.... yuk... no win situation really but still important on how we leave.
No stupid neocon overeaction about North korea... seems like they are coming around... Iran is well worried about their own internal problems.... no crazy statments about axis of evil.....
It seems like well we are progressing and you and other right wingers are screaming in town halls and now about this? Really?
Come on you could scream about a military escalation in a no win scenario in Afghanistan..... or Gauntanamo or Iraq occupation costs..... hell what about private contractor spending in military theatres? or what about the mexican border violence/immigration(this one is coming)? wait actually we are responsible for the mexican border violence.... criminilizing drugs has empowered criminal elements by increasing profits for them destabilizing their regions by money like we did with alcohol prohibition.
replace the name Barack Obama with PRESIDENT and than think about student interacting with wait a minute TEACHERS... and the subject matter is
their role in governance and the community........ WOW scary.....
That is actually scary to me; especially when the original question wasn't, what's my role in governance and community? The original question was How Can I Help the President? How is the President inspiring Me? Now if you're honestly telling me that you see no political overtone there than maybe it's a lost discussion. But even the Dept of Education saw enough concern to pull those questions from its' "lesson plan" that was sent out in preparation for the speech.
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It isn't what Obama says. It is what he DOES.
Plain Local Schools allowed the pres' speech.
But they forbid the use of the suggested education materials
online from the OEA.
Obama said it himself, he learned how to say the "right" things...
to get power.
Smoke and mirrors, what the reality is behind the facade',
is what you actually end up getting. And it is very Un-American.
Just ask Israel.
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good god cal at first its what obama is saying to brainwash our children now its not what he says but the fact he is talking to america's children...
good grief...... it was mostly about personal responsibility....
Listen I dont think Obama is handling the middle east well or really is doing anything different than Bush Jr would have done at this point... I dont think Obama is leading on Health care but letting the political infighting happen in congress which again is just being a politician, there are a myriad of things I dont agree with but this fear mongering using terms like brainwashing children is the same garbage about death panels coming from the right side.
IF you and the right would have waited to criticize AFTER you knew the content of his speech it would be one thing but this proliferating of hate and fear based criticisms is insane and irresponsible.
Just like all of this venom about health care WHEN NOTHING has even come out of both houses regarding a bill to be voted on yet..... wait and see first before you get up in arms....
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It isn't what Obama says. It is what he DOES.
Plain Local Schools allowed the pres' speech.
But they forbid the use of the suggested education materials
online from the OEA.
Obama said it himself, he learned how to say the "right" things...
to get power.
Smoke and mirrors, what the reality is behind the facade',
is what you actually end up getting. And it is very Un-American.
Just ask Israel.
And it is very Un-American.
I am just popping in to say how truly low this has actually gotten. The President speaking to schoolchildren is Un-American? I was listening to the TV in the airport this morning and heard the story of the Retarded parents calling their school boards fearing the Socialist Indoctrination and wanting to ban their kids from hearing the President speak. Are they serious? Really??
Cal, you and the rest of this crew who complain to school boards are truly sick, misguided bastards. I mean bigtime. This stuff has really started to infect your brains and I cannot help but feel some modicum of sympathy. ANY kid would be supremely lucky to have ANY president come to his/her school to talk, in person. Kids don't care about politics or ideology, they just think seeing the president is really really cool.
Even this one.
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And it is very Un-American.
I am just popping in to say how truly low this has actually gotten. The President speaking to schoolchildren is Un-American? I was listening to the TV in the airport this morning and heard the story of the Retarded parents calling their school boards fearing the Socialist Indoctrination and wanting to ban their kids from hearing the President speak. Are they serious? Really??
Cal, you and the rest of this crew who complain to school boards are truly sick, misguided bastards. I mean bigtime. This stuff has really started to infect your brains and I cannot help but feel some modicum of sympathy. ANY kid would be supremely lucky to have ANY president come to his/her school to talk, in person. Kids don't care about politics or ideology, they just think seeing the president is really really cool.
Even this one.
mz. said:
I am just popping in to say how truly low this has actually gotten. The President speaking to schoolchildren is Un-American? I was listening to the TV in the airport this morning and heard the story of the Retarded parents calling their school boards fearing the Socialist Indoctrination and wanting to ban their kids from hearing the President speak. Are they serious? Really??Cal, you and the rest of this crew who complain to school boards are truly sick, misguided bastards. I mean bigtime. This stuff has really started to infect your brains and I cannot help but feel some modicum of sympathy. ANY kid would be supremely lucky to have ANY president come to his/her school to talk, in person. Kids don't care about politics or ideology, they just think seeing the president is really really cool.
Even this one.
So are you only going to reply to the polarizing figures that you complain so much about or do you have a response to the problem that a lot of us had which was the Dept of Education lesson plan to accompany the speech?
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Relax, folks. Marx, Alinsky and Ayers aren't rearing their ugly heads in the speech or materials.
I just can't believe seemingly intelligent people are getting all up in arms over something so darn silly.
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So are you only going to reply to the polarizing figures that you complain so much about or do you have a response to the problem that a lot of us had which was the Dept of Education lesson plan to accompany the speech? Smalls
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EXACTLY ! It isn't that Obama wanted to give a speech to the nation's schoolchildren.
It's that he left PARENTS OUT IN THE COLD.
It isn't that Obama wanted to give a speech to the nation's schoolchildren.
It's the FREAKIN TEACHING MATERIALS AVAILABLE ONLINE, that the Obama admin had modified to quell disgust.
It isn't that Obama wanted to give a speech to the nation's schoolchildren.
It's that this president is a liar. He says one thing, does another.
He ridicules those parents who disagree with him, then he "reaches out" to their children during the day, when most of the parents can't be involved.
Like I SAID:
Plain local said the speech would play. That superintendent is a Democrat,
no big deal.
But even that DEMOCRAT FORBADE THE USE OF THOSE QUESTIONABLE MATERIALS IN THE CLASSROOM.
Address that, and please stop taking what we are saying, distorting it,
and replying to what was not said.
I said the Obama admin is corrupt, and UN-AMERICAN.
I didn't say they are UNAMERICAN because Obama wanted to talk to little
children.
I said the Obama admin was corrupt and UNAMERICAN because that is
what I THINK. The reasons are:
Obama disses our Constitution. Holder doesn't agree with the 2nd Amendment. Obama doesn't agree with our 1st Amendment.
Obama attacks Israel for not unilaterally stopping all that construction, but
he bows to that Arabian leader, sends almost a BILLION DOLLARS TO HAMAS,
and openly celebrates the contributions of Muslims, to the idea that Jewish peoples never contributed to our country.
Obama openly supports Chavez, and took away aid to Honduras, because they kicked the leftist Selaya because he wanted to stay permanent president in violation of their Constitution.
Obama wants that leftist dictator back in office for life.
That sends a message to a lot of folks.
And, so does reaching out to children behind parents' backs.
Like I said way, way back - I joked that at least Obama hadn't nominated
Angela Davis to a post in his admin.
Then, after all these months, he put Jones, the COMMUNIST, in his admin.
I was right about him sneaking in a communist to his admin, after all, basically.
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Van Jones never even filled out their "questionaire". Obama wanted him
in there regardless.
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and mz the pussy, it's really foolish to take a phrase of what I said, then apply it to what I didn't apply it to.
"Smoke and mirrors, what the reality is behind the facade',
is what you actually end up getting. And it is very Un-American.
Just ask Israel. " Me
Now, how the hell do you get that I said the Obama admin is Un-American because he said nice words to American schoolchildren?
Or, are you just here to start trouble?
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When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
09/08/09 7:11 AM EDT
The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.
Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.
With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."
Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."
That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."
Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.
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