Baker Mayfield
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A Baltimore Raven's fan I worked with would always say "Winners win, Losers lose". I'd always say duh! but now I get it. The QB is a special leader on the field that always needs to inspire others to step up their game even when they may not be at the top of their own game. These A+++QB's are extremely rare and I can only name a few, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger (in his prime) and even though he's young Lamar Jackson. I know this will irritate many Browns fans but you have to call an ugly baby ugly sometimes. Baker Mayfield is ugly he lacks that spark that inspires others to greatness or at least be part of greatness. I don't blame Baker I'm sure he works hard but he lacks the presence that great QB's have to propel a team to greatness. I blame the management, too long they've wanted to make a headline splash by selecting a QB that is flashy and grabs headlines. As we know many many of these selections do not pan out. I believe the Browns should consider trading for an A++ or A+++ QB that is established and solid who wants to work behind one of the best offensive lines in football and be the center piece of an offence with many Pro Bowl tools. May be select a good solid QB in the draft to be second to the selected A+++ QB so that even when this stellar QB is not behind center their presence will still be felt. The Browns have had a history of QBs that are in the trash bin of history but if you expecting Baker to lead the Browns to greatness you will be sorely disappointed.
A Baltimore Raven's fan I worked with would always say "Winners win, Losers lose". I'd always say duh! but now I get it. The QB is a special leader on the field that always needs to inspire others to step up their game even when they may not be at the top of their own game. These A+++QB's are extremely rare and I can only name a few, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger (in his prime) and even though he's young Lamar Jackson. I know this will irritate many Browns fans but you have to call an ugly baby ugly sometimes. Baker Mayfield is ugly he lacks that spark that inspires others to greatness or at least be part of greatness. I don't blame Baker I'm sure he works hard but he lacks the presence that great QB's have to propel a team to greatness. I blame the management, too long they've wanted to make a headline splash by selecting a QB that is flashy and grabs headlines. As we know many many of these selections do not pan out. I believe the Browns should consider trading for an A++ or A+++ QB that is established and solid who wants to work behind one of the best offensive lines in football and be the center piece of an offence with many Pro Bowl tools. May be select a good solid QB in the draft to be second to the selected A+++ QB so that even when this stellar QB is not behind center their presence will still be felt. The Browns have had a history of QBs that are in the trash bin of history but if you expecting Baker to lead the Browns to greatness you will be sorely disappointed.
As a Ravens fan, then you have to know if Lamar didn't have the running ability of our Kareem Hunt, you'd be singing a far different tune. His unreal athletic talent makes up for a lot of other deficiencies. Like being able to break off 20 or 30 yard runs when the pocket collapses- which would be guaranteed sacks for almost every other NFL QB.
True, Baker may not have the ability to elevate the play of the others around him. However- Ravens losses to the Bengals, and now the Dolphins are telling me teams are starting to figure out ways to effectively scheme against Jackson.
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DeShaun Watson won a single playoff game as well, and he’s been playing longer than Mayfield.
I don’t understand the desire to bring him to the Browns.
You should go watch Watson's performances against the Patriots. First game against them was for 350 total yards 2 TD's and 2int's.
Also worth pointing out how sunk that Texans team has been without him.
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A Baltimore Raven's fan I worked with would always say "Winners win, Losers lose". I'd always say duh! but now I get it. The QB is a special leader on the field that always needs to inspire others to step up their game even when they may not be at the top of their own game. These A+++QB's are extremely rare and I can only name a few, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger (in his prime) and even though he's young Lamar Jackson. I know this will irritate many Browns fans but you have to call an ugly baby ugly sometimes. Baker Mayfield is ugly he lacks that spark that inspires others to greatness or at least be part of greatness. I don't blame Baker I'm sure he works hard but he lacks the presence that great QB's have to propel a team to greatness. I blame the management, too long they've wanted to make a headline splash by selecting a QB that is flashy and grabs headlines. As we know many many of these selections do not pan out. I believe the Browns should consider trading for an A++ or A+++ QB that is established and solid who wants to work behind one of the best offensive lines in football and be the center piece of an offence with many Pro Bowl tools. May be select a good solid QB in the draft to be second to the selected A+++ QB so that even when this stellar QB is not behind center their presence will still be felt. The Browns have had a history of QBs that are in the trash bin of history but if you expecting Baker to lead the Browns to greatness you will be sorely disappointed.
As a Ravens fan, then you have to know if Lamar didn't have the running ability of our Kareem Hunt, you'd be singing a far different tune. His unreal athletic talent makes up for a lot of other deficiencies. Like being able to break off 20 or 30 yard runs when the pocket collapses- which would be guaranteed sacks for almost every other NFL QB.
True, Baker may not have the ability to elevate the play of the others around him. However- Ravens losses to the Bengals, and now the Dolphins are telling me teams are starting to figure out ways to effectively scheme against Jackson.
As a Ravens fan, then you have to know if Lamar didn't have the running ability of our Kareem Hunt, you'd be singing a far different tune. His unreal athletic talent makes up for a lot of other deficiencies. Like being able to break off 20 or 30 yard runs when the pocket collapses- which would be guaranteed sacks for almost every other NFL QB.
True, Baker may not have the ability to elevate the play of the others around him. However- Ravens losses to the Bengals, and now the Dolphins are telling me teams are starting to figure out ways to effectively scheme against Jackson.
It may be too soon for Lamar to be the savior of the Ravens but the management there in Baltimore knows what they are looking for and will find it, it may not be a splashy QB but they will find a QB that will fit their system that will raise to the occasion and bring the team with them. It may take a year or so but they will fix it. The Browns management on the other hand will take an afternoon and look through Sport Illustrated College QB edition and spend their time using darts to select their next QB and then wonder why they paid all this money for a Pro Bowl offense and defense then go through the process of reinventing the team. This is how the Browns create a "winning" culture.
To be honest I thought the Bengals were going to be better than they were this year. Every four years they seem to surprise the league with a good team (not great but good) that gets into the playoffs and I thought this was their year. I thought the Browns would be a solid team this year mainly because the Steelers were having QB issues and I expected the Ravens to be on par with the Browns. I was way off base and who can tell. But just like all Browns fans I can say "There is always next season".
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Deserve is a tough word. I tend to agree he doesn’t deserve top money based on his skill set but the question in the NFL is what’s plan B? QB is the most important and hardest position to procure.
Deserve is a tough word. I tend to agree he doesn’t deserve top money based on his skill set but the question in the NFL is what’s plan B? QB is the most important and hardest position to procure.
I don't think the Browns offer a $40 mill a year contract. $20, maybe. But top $? No way.
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A Baltimore Raven's fan I worked with would always say "Winners win, Losers lose". I'd always say duh! but now I get it. The QB is a special leader on the field that always needs to inspire others to step up their game even when they may not be at the top of their own game. These A+++QB's are extremely rare and I can only name a few, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger (in his prime) and even though he's young Lamar Jackson. I know this will irritate many Browns fans but you have to call an ugly baby ugly sometimes. Baker Mayfield is ugly he lacks that spark that inspires others to greatness or at least be part of greatness. I don't blame Baker I'm sure he works hard but he lacks the presence that great QB's have to propel a team to greatness. I blame the management, too long they've wanted to make a headline splash by selecting a QB that is flashy and grabs headlines. As we know many many of these selections do not pan out. I believe the Browns should consider trading for an A++ or A+++ QB that is established and solid who wants to work behind one of the best offensive lines in football and be the center piece of an offence with many Pro Bowl tools. May be select a good solid QB in the draft to be second to the selected A+++ QB so that even when this stellar QB is not behind center their presence will still be felt. The Browns have had a history of QBs that are in the trash bin of history but if you expecting Baker to lead the Browns to greatness you will be sorely disappointed.
So your busy polishing all of those Vince Lombardi trophies that Lamar Jackson helped you guys win?
So your busy polishing all of those Vince Lombardi trophies that Lamar Jackson helped you guys win?
Nope I dislike Baltimore with a passion but at least their management knows how to put together a winning team even one stolen from Cleveland. Baker is not the answer may be an Aaron Rodgers or other leading QB would be interested in leading the Browns then things would turn around. I'll still root for the Browns every week and watch them on my phone (most of their games are not available in my neck of the woods). I've been a fan since Brian Sipe and the Pruitts and my family had season tickets during the good and bad years.
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Deserve is a tough word. I tend to agree he doesn’t deserve top money based on his skill set but the question in the NFL is what’s plan B? QB is the most important and hardest position to procure.
I don't think the Browns offer a $40 mill a year contract. $20, maybe. But top $? No way.
I don't think the Browns offer a $40 mill a year contract. $20, maybe. But top $? No way.
I would think the offer would be $30 per but shorter time frame.
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I would think the offer would be $30 per but shorter time frame.
Shorter time frame- ditto, with a lot of incentives, and not a lot of guaranteed money. And for sure gives the Browns an early out. Looks like the Panthers made a monumental mistake picking up Sam Darnold's 5th year option. Browns not so much with Baker. He's probably picking up million$$ from Progressive doing those commercials anyway.
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Baker is a terrific qb. But he isn't perfect. I keep seeing in the media that "Baker this, Baker that" etc.
But it seems that "great qb's" have terrific receivers. What was it they showed and analyzed during the Patriot game?
5 guys out to catch a pass and not one got open at all? What is a torn labrum, broken bone in shoulder, hurt foot qb
SUPPOSED TO DO?
If lamar couldn't run like a crazed chipmunk, he would be one of the worst qbs in the league.
Let's put it this way:
Since 1999, the Browns have drafted a wr TWICE in the first round. Stupid braylon edwards in 05, and Corey Coleman in 2016.
Not choices I would have made.
even the Patriots drafted N'Keal Harry first round in 2019. again, the Browns in previous years drafted duds.
Not any more, but wr is a weak point. I would like to see what Cager and Bradley can do. They were both UDFAs......
Baker is a terrific qb. But he isn't perfect. I keep seeing in the media that "Baker this, Baker that" etc.
But it seems that "great qb's" have terrific receivers. What was it they showed and analyzed during the Patriot game?
5 guys out to catch a pass and not one got open at all? What is a torn labrum, broken bone in shoulder, hurt foot qb
SUPPOSED TO DO?
If lamar couldn't run like a crazed chipmunk, he would be one of the worst qbs in the league.
Let's put it this way:
Since 1999, the Browns have drafted a wr TWICE in the first round. Stupid braylon edwards in 05, and Corey Coleman in 2016.
Not choices I would have made.
even the Patriots drafted N'Keal Harry first round in 2019. again, the Browns in previous years drafted duds.
Not any more, but wr is a weak point. I would like to see what Cager and Bradley can do. They were both UDFAs......
Brady regularly won SUPER BOWLS (NOT JUST PLAY OFF GAMES) with ho hum WRs. He won rings with a aged Troy Brown, Burt Emanuel, Curtis Jackson, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Edelman, Hogan, Amendola, and had Moss for one great year (but didn't win the SB). Those guys mostly went on to do nothing on other teams. Big Ben mostly turned lemons into lemonade in his prime. He made Ward (a small, slow WR) into a Hall of Famer, won a ring with Randel El and Quincy Morgan (outcast of the Browns), Santanio Holmes (did nothing on other teams). Made Mike Wallace a star, who didn't do much without him.
Baker will have no success stories like Brady and Ben, because he isn't special like them. If you are going to be paid like a top 5 QB, you better play like one, period.
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Baker is a terrific qb. But he isn't perfect. I keep seeing in the media that "Baker this, Baker that" etc.
But it seems that "great qb's" have terrific receivers. What was it they showed and analyzed during the Patriot game?
5 guys out to catch a pass and not one got open at all? What is a torn labrum, broken bone in shoulder, hurt foot qb
SUPPOSED TO DO?
If lamar couldn't run like a crazed chipmunk, he would be one of the worst qbs in the league.
Let's put it this way:
Since 1999, the Browns have drafted a wr TWICE in the first round. Stupid braylon edwards in 05, and Corey Coleman in 2016.
Not choices I would have made.
even the Patriots drafted N'Keal Harry first round in 2019. again, the Browns in previous years drafted duds.
Not any more, but wr is a weak point. I would like to see what Cager and Bradley can do. They were both UDFAs......
Brady regularly won SUPER BOWLS (NOT JUST PLAY OFF GAMES) with ho hum WRs. He won rings with a aged Troy Brown, Burt Emanuel, Curtis Jackson, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Edelman, Hogan, Amendola, and had Moss for one great year (but didn't win the SB). Those guys mostly went on to do nothing on other teams. Big Ben mostly turned lemons into lemonade in his prime. He made Ward (a small, slow WR) into a Hall of Famer, won a ring with Randel El and Quincy Morgan (outcast of the Browns), Santanio Holmes (did nothing on other teams). Made Mike Wallace a star, who didn't do much without him.
Baker will have no success stories like Brady and Ben, because he isn't special like them. If you are going to be paid like a top 5 QB, you better play like one, period.
Brady regularly won SUPER BOWLS (NOT JUST PLAY OFF GAMES) with ho hum WRs. He won rings with a aged Troy Brown, Burt Emanuel, Curtis Jackson, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Edelman, Hogan, Amendola, and had Moss for one great year (but didn't win the SB). Those guys mostly went on to do nothing on other teams. Big Ben mostly turned lemons into lemonade in his prime. He made Ward (a small, slow WR) into a Hall of Famer, won a ring with Randel El and Quincy Morgan (outcast of the Browns), Santanio Holmes (did nothing on other teams). Made Mike Wallace a star, who didn't do much without him.
Baker will have no success stories like Brady and Ben, because he isn't special like them. If you are going to be paid like a top 5 QB, you better play like one, period.
So tell us who would you replace him with...?
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DeShaun Watson won a single playoff game as well, and he’s been playing longer than Mayfield.
I don’t understand the desire to bring him to the Browns.
You should go watch Watson's performances against the Patriots. First game against them was for 350 total yards 2 TD's and 2int's.
Also worth pointing out how sunk that Texans team has been without him.
You should go watch Watson's performances against the Patriots. First game against them was for 350 total yards 2 TD's and 2int's.
Also worth pointing out how sunk that Texans team has been without him.
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However, Tyrod Taylor was drafted in round sixth round by the ratbirds. And Brandon Cooks was a first round draft pick. Two other wr's were third round picks. Watson was a first round pick. Of course they won't perform the same.
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Leaving out the words 'winner', 'intangibles', 'attitude' and 'arm strength'... which are ranked between least important to most cliche'd - What would you believe Baker does that is elite? With non-vague articulation, please and thank you.
Fair question. He does a not of things only very well or good.
Per NFL.com - his draft profile:
Strengths- Tough and competitive ELITE
- Plays with fiery demeanor and massive chip on his shoulder ELITE
- Teammates rally around him on and off field LEADERSHIP - ELITE
- In complete command of his offense and has improved with each season - INTELLIGENCE ELITE
- Light on his feet with quick setup in pocket
- Has good pre-snap plan
- Eyeballs and eliminates safeties to isolate man coverage on his receiver
- Quick processor from read to read
- Responds suddenly to what is there
- Pitch and catch accurate if you allow it
- Underrated arm talent
- Expedite from off-platform with tight release and zip - EVEN WITH INJURY _ HE ZIPPED SERIOUS PASSES VS CINCY ELITE
- Drives with lower body for added velocity
- Accurate on all three levels ELITE (if you saw him on the player eval show - Baker astounded by hitting every target)
- Completed 53 percent of his throws of 21-plus yards over last two years
- Drops touch throws over top of linebackers trailing in coverage
- Has improv talent ELITE - in college, and pros.
- Uses mobility to buy time to make plays
- Effective when he breaks contain and will probe for explosive play
- Completed 67 percent when on the move
- Rises to the occasion ELITE
- Posted elite production and efficiency as passer in the red-zone (yep, ELITE)
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Now, it should also be added, that throwing on the move/rollouts - Baker's accuracy is ELITE.
The best NFL quarterbacks for every type of throw
Rodgers' passer rating of 139.3 was by far the NFL's highest on designed rollout throws, though it should also be mentioned that Baker Mayfield -- who was the best rollout thrower on last year's ...**********************************NOTE: Packers wr Devonte Adams was a second round pick -
Leaving out the words 'winner', 'intangibles', 'attitude' and 'arm strength'... which are ranked between least important to most cliche'd - What would you believe Baker does that is elite? With non-vague articulation, please and thank you.
Fair question. He does a not of things only very well or good.
Per NFL.com - his draft profile:
Strengths- Tough and competitive ELITE
- Plays with fiery demeanor and massive chip on his shoulder ELITE
- Teammates rally around him on and off field LEADERSHIP - ELITE
- In complete command of his offense and has improved with each season - INTELLIGENCE ELITE
- Light on his feet with quick setup in pocket
- Has good pre-snap plan
- Eyeballs and eliminates safeties to isolate man coverage on his receiver
- Quick processor from read to read
- Responds suddenly to what is there
- Pitch and catch accurate if you allow it
- Underrated arm talent
- Expedite from off-platform with tight release and zip - EVEN WITH INJURY _ HE ZIPPED SERIOUS PASSES VS CINCY ELITE
- Drives with lower body for added velocity
- Accurate on all three levels ELITE (if you saw him on the player eval show - Baker astounded by hitting every target)
- Completed 53 percent of his throws of 21-plus yards over last two years
- Drops touch throws over top of linebackers trailing in coverage
- Has improv talent ELITE - in college, and pros.
- Uses mobility to buy time to make plays
- Effective when he breaks contain and will probe for explosive play
- Completed 67 percent when on the move
- Rises to the occasion ELITE
- Posted elite production and efficiency as passer in the red-zone (yep, ELITE)
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Now, it should also be added, that throwing on the move/rollouts - Baker's accuracy is ELITE.
The best NFL quarterbacks for every type of throw
Rodgers' passer rating of 139.3 was by far the NFL's highest on designed rollout throws, though it should also be mentioned that Baker Mayfield -- who was the best rollout thrower on last year's ...**********************************NOTE: Packers wr Devonte Adams was a second round pickI didn't ask for a pre-draft profile. I'm asking what NFL Baker does that is elite. Elite being top 10.
Again, leave out the cliche'd language. I guess I also have to include "tough", "competitive" "fiery" etc etc. The vague shit that doesn't mean much, otherwise Tim Tebow would be the best QB every. In your own words, with supporting evidence, please and thank you.
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I've said it before, Baker's a very good QB but he's not elite. This team is also too heavily dependent on the running game, exposing Baker's inadequacies this week and people should stop saying we don't have good receivers, we just let one go we didn't know how to use.
and people should stop saying we don't have good receivers, we just let one go we didn't know how to use.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
This team is also too heavily dependent on the running game,
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
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and people should stop saying we don't have good receivers, we just let one go we didn't know how to use.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
This team is also too heavily dependent on the running game,
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
I think Higgins is on drugs... its the only thing I can think of why his production has dropped... Unless he has an undisclosed injury..
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I didn't ask for a pre-draft profile. I'm asking what NFL Baker does that is elite. Elite being top 10.
Again, leave out the cliche'd language. I guess I also have to include "tough", "competitive" "fiery" etc etc. The vague shit that doesn't mean much, otherwise Tim Tebow would be the best QB every. In your own words, with supporting evidence, please and thank you.
I didn't ask for a pre-draft profile. I'm asking what NFL Baker does that is elite. Elite being top 10.
Again, leave out the cliche'd language. I guess I also have to include "tough", "competitive" "fiery" etc etc. The vague shit that doesn't mean much, otherwise Tim Tebow would be the best QB ever. In your own words, with supporting evidence, please and thank you.
Yes indeed Tia- a lot can change from pre-draft analysis to 4th year in the NFL. Cal can take a bow for being on the Josh Allen train pre draft, even though just about everyone (including me who scouted him at Wyoming) said his accuracy sucked. Not the case now, it's improved by orders of magnitude.
OHOH- the pre draft accuracy of Baker bears no resemblance to the Baker of 2021. Correct me if I'm wrong. He's consistently high or behind his receivers. Doubtless some will bring up the bomb dime he dropped on DPJ, or ditto the zillion yard stroke of luck Hail Mary that he threw as far as he could that came down in DPJ's hands.
What I pointed out in an earlier post- what concerns me the most about Baker is his mental clock (which IMHO separates the elite NFL qbs from the merely very good) is slowing down- to the point I'd hardly call it "elite".
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I remember one time Brandon Weeden over threw a pass to his receiver so badly the refs called intentional grounding on him.
Man I miss the good old days!
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One thought that just occurred to me, that's the latest from Baker crowd... Just get him a studly WR on top of what we already have, and it's all going to be good!!! As was pointed out- the GOAT won Super Bowls with a WR cast that is arguably no better than what the Browns have now... Sorry Mr. Mayfield- we got you the #1 rushing attack in the NFL (which should make play action a snap) and a studly OL. It's reinforcing the argument that he's no better than a Game Manager type that's only as good as his supporting cast.
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I remember one time Brandon Weeden over threw a pass to his receiver so badly the refs called intentional grounding on him.
Man I miss the good old days!
I remember one time Brandon Weeden over threw a pass to his receiver so badly the refs called intentional grounding on him.
Man I miss the good old days!
No one is saying Baker sucks on the level of a We-Done, Johnny Football, or Deshone Kizer. He's doubtless far better than that suckage. It's the question of whether he's on the level of the top guys, and deserves to be paid as such.
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Deserve is a tough word. I tend to agree he doesn’t deserve top money based on his skill set but the question in the NFL is what’s plan B? QB is the most important and hardest position to procure.
Deserve is a tough word. I tend to agree he doesn’t deserve top money based on his skill set but the question in the NFL is what’s plan B? QB is the most important and hardest position to procure.
I agree with you that 'deserved' really isn't the right word here. I think the right word is 'earned.' Has Baker earned top money? I've been a Baker fan from the start, but an honest assessment would suggest that he has not yet earned top money. I would offer a middle of the road amount to keep him, simply because he's the best we've had in a long time. He isn't garbage, but he also hasn't shown that he can put the team on his back and win a game that we would've lost without him.
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and people should stop saying we don't have good receivers, we just let one go we didn't know how to use.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
This team is also too heavily dependent on the running game,
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
OBJ screwed things up he was expected to be the #1 - he still professes that he is…now it slides everyone into a “new” role and they draw the next best CB. And now we have Landry who is playing dinged up that isn’t a threat he usually is. DPJ is fine…but he is what he is at this point a #2-#3.
I don’t think Baker reads coverages well at this level…that seems to be the larger issue.
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