Baker Mayfield
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and people should stop saying we don't have good receivers, we just let one go we didn't know how to use.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
This team is also too heavily dependent on the running game,
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
I think Higgins is on drugs... its the only thing I can think of why his production has dropped... Unless he has an undisclosed injury..
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I didn't ask for a pre-draft profile. I'm asking what NFL Baker does that is elite. Elite being top 10.
Again, leave out the cliche'd language. I guess I also have to include "tough", "competitive" "fiery" etc etc. The vague shit that doesn't mean much, otherwise Tim Tebow would be the best QB every. In your own words, with supporting evidence, please and thank you.
I didn't ask for a pre-draft profile. I'm asking what NFL Baker does that is elite. Elite being top 10.
Again, leave out the cliche'd language. I guess I also have to include "tough", "competitive" "fiery" etc etc. The vague shit that doesn't mean much, otherwise Tim Tebow would be the best QB ever. In your own words, with supporting evidence, please and thank you.
Yes indeed Tia- a lot can change from pre-draft analysis to 4th year in the NFL. Cal can take a bow for being on the Josh Allen train pre draft, even though just about everyone (including me who scouted him at Wyoming) said his accuracy sucked. Not the case now, it's improved by orders of magnitude.
OHOH- the pre draft accuracy of Baker bears no resemblance to the Baker of 2021. Correct me if I'm wrong. He's consistently high or behind his receivers. Doubtless some will bring up the bomb dime he dropped on DPJ, or ditto the zillion yard stroke of luck Hail Mary that he threw as far as he could that came down in DPJ's hands.
What I pointed out in an earlier post- what concerns me the most about Baker is his mental clock (which IMHO separates the elite NFL qbs from the merely very good) is slowing down- to the point I'd hardly call it "elite".
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I remember one time Brandon Weeden over threw a pass to his receiver so badly the refs called intentional grounding on him.
Man I miss the good old days!
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One thought that just occurred to me, that's the latest from Baker crowd... Just get him a studly WR on top of what we already have, and it's all going to be good!!! As was pointed out- the GOAT won Super Bowls with a WR cast that is arguably no better than what the Browns have now... Sorry Mr. Mayfield- we got you the #1 rushing attack in the NFL (which should make play action a snap) and a studly OL. It's reinforcing the argument that he's no better than a Game Manager type that's only as good as his supporting cast.
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I remember one time Brandon Weeden over threw a pass to his receiver so badly the refs called intentional grounding on him.
Man I miss the good old days!
I remember one time Brandon Weeden over threw a pass to his receiver so badly the refs called intentional grounding on him.
Man I miss the good old days!
No one is saying Baker sucks on the level of a We-Done, Johnny Football, or Deshone Kizer. He's doubtless far better than that suckage. It's the question of whether he's on the level of the top guys, and deserves to be paid as such.
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Deserve is a tough word. I tend to agree he doesn’t deserve top money based on his skill set but the question in the NFL is what’s plan B? QB is the most important and hardest position to procure.
Deserve is a tough word. I tend to agree he doesn’t deserve top money based on his skill set but the question in the NFL is what’s plan B? QB is the most important and hardest position to procure.
I agree with you that 'deserved' really isn't the right word here. I think the right word is 'earned.' Has Baker earned top money? I've been a Baker fan from the start, but an honest assessment would suggest that he has not yet earned top money. I would offer a middle of the road amount to keep him, simply because he's the best we've had in a long time. He isn't garbage, but he also hasn't shown that he can put the team on his back and win a game that we would've lost without him.
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and people should stop saying we don't have good receivers, we just let one go we didn't know how to use.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
This team is also too heavily dependent on the running game,
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
...I guess, at this point, that's a fair statement, I guess...
Yes. But that's this team. It's what we've got. We thought we had a good stable of receivers. DPJ lit it up in TC. But the starting corners of the league are a different story. DPJ doesn't light it up against them. (I like how he catches and holds onto the ball though, which was the knock on him coming out of college) It's not easy to get open. Higgins is good for a couple of catches a game. Apparently he can't get open either. (reminded of Chris Collinsworth's statement: He's not fast, doesn't run particularly good routes...but he has that chemistry with Baker. Well, we haven't seen much of a reaction (chemistry term, outcome) from Baker / Higgins. Like many, I wanted to see what 'another' coach could make out of Higgins. And so I have. And apparently the rest of the league not signing him in free agency means they pretty much agree with Collinsworth. As for Schwartz, he's being your basic rookie...? And, of course, our center piece, OBJ booked town leaving his 'buddy' Landry without anyone to take some coverage away.
Perhaps we have a systematic problem with the passing game. But perhaps we don't have enough talent at the WR position either. I feel certain that Berry is going to focus on this situation.
OBJ screwed things up he was expected to be the #1 - he still professes that he is…now it slides everyone into a “new” role and they draw the next best CB. And now we have Landry who is playing dinged up that isn’t a threat he usually is. DPJ is fine…but he is what he is at this point a #2-#3.
I don’t think Baker reads coverages well at this level…that seems to be the larger issue.
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So your busy polishing all of those Vince Lombardi trophies that Lamar Jackson helped you guys win?
Nope I dislike Baltimore with a passion but at least their management knows how to put together a winning team even one stolen from Cleveland. Baker is not the answer may be an Aaron Rodgers or other leading QB would be interested in leading the Browns then things would turn around. I'll still root for the Browns every week and watch them on my phone (most of their games are not available in my neck of the woods). I've been a fan since Brian Sipe and the Pruitts and my family had season tickets during the good and bad years.
and watch them on my phone
To anyone who doesn't have this site or this site or this site bookmarked by now to stream sports for free if your local TV isn't carrying them..
Do your thing, but you can save money. Don't be older in-laws I have who pay monthly to Disney+ and Netflix and Amazon Prime and Discovery Plus all in addition to Comcast
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It's a team game. The G.O.A.T. had receivers that GOT OPEN, or he would not have had completions. Plain and simple.
and their system had been in place for many years. And putting down Brady's wide receivers ignores the TE position.
Gronk and the outstanding TE before him.
Brady has completed more passes in games to tight ends, than we have blades of grass in our lawn. Before Gronk it was Ben Coates. All pro.
Before that, Russ Francis. All Pro. Brady went to the Bucs, and who goes with him? Gronk. Who do the Patriots have now?
Hunter Henry. Scored two TD's against the Browns. No G.O.A.T. at qb.
So, in 2021, so far, Brady completed 67.4% of his passes. Look at his wr's. Mike Evans, 6'5",225 lbs, First Round Draft pick....All pro in 2016. and Godwin, 3rd round pick, All Pro. in 2019. and Antonio Brown.
and Gronk.
Baker in 2021 so far, completed 65.4% of his passes.
If Baker throws 2 ints in a first quarter, "he isn't a very good qb".
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Brady picked off twice in 1st; Bucs lose to Washington 29 ...
Tom Brady threw two interceptions in the first quarter as part of an implosion by the reigning Super Bowl champions, contributing to Washington upsetting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 29-19 Sunday ... -
DeShaun Watson won a single playoff game as well, and he’s been playing longer than Mayfield.
I don’t understand the desire to bring him to the Browns.
You should go watch Watson's performances against the Patriots. First game against them was for 350 total yards 2 TD's and 2int's.
Also worth pointing out how sunk that Texans team has been without him.
You should go watch Watson's performances against the Patriots. First game against them was for 350 total yards 2 TD's and 2int's.
Also worth pointing out how sunk that Texans team has been without him.
I’m sure you can cherry pick a great highlight reel on any QB worth his salt.
I remember the one playoff game Watson won, only because he was sacked 7 times.
Mayfield isn’t elite, but he’s the best QB to wear the Browns jersey since Kosar (who BTW wasn’t elite either).
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I wonder if we might see a scenario where the Browns do offer Baker a contract extension, but for less money or less years than he's expecting - and he walks.
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I've said it before, Baker's a very good QB but he's not elite. This team is also too heavily dependent on the running game, exposing Baker's inadequacies this week and people should stop saying we don't have good receivers, we just let one go we didn't know how to use.
baloney. we let a selfish, self-centered "injured when he feels like he wants to be" guy....
who went to the rams and was not hurt at all. Was a lot faster and his stop and go tells me
he didn't want to play for the Browns anymore. NY was delighted to get rid of him.
Not a team player.
Baker is elite in some ways, isn't perfect. The wr's were SHOWN ON TV to be ALL COVERED THE ENTIRE PLAY,
and that happened a LOT. A superstar qb can't make wr's get open.
baloney. we let a selfish, self-centered "injured when he feels like he wants to be" guy....
who went to the rams and was not hurt at all. Was a lot faster and his stop and go tells me
he didn't want to play for the Browns anymore. NY was delighted to get rid of him.
Not a team player.
Baker is elite in some ways, isn't perfect. The wr's were SHOWN ON TV to be ALL COVERED THE ENTIRE PLAY,
and that happened a LOT. A superstar qb can't make wr's get open.
Let's not rewrite history, he played hurt and he drew a lot of coverage that's now plastering our subpar receivers. At this point with the lack of on field chemistry between the two, it's probably better he left but if we'd made the playoffs with him he would've made a few crucial plays. We'll see what happens in LA now that Woods is out.
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I wonder if we might see a scenario where the Browns do offer Baker a contract extension, but for less money or less years than he's expecting - and he walks.
I wonder if we might see a scenario where the Browns do offer Baker a contract extension, but for less money or less years than he's expecting - and he walks.
Sure it could happen.
if he walks we’d have a Five year window three of which behind an elite line. What excuses would we make for him? Is he getting any better in Year 6? Will his support around him get any better? I think some on here would give him 30-35M a year because we’ve had nothing for 20 years.
Mangini…Chud…Pat Shurmur era sucked, 1-15 and 0-16 were awful but Through all that why are we lowering the bar?
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It's a team game. The G.O.A.T. had receivers that GOT OPEN, or he would not have had completions. Plain and simple.
and their system had been in place for many years. And putting down Brady's wide receivers ignores the TE position.
Gronk and the outstanding TE before him.
Brady has completed more passes in games to tight ends, than we have blades of grass in our lawn. Before Gronk it was Ben Coates. All pro.
Before that, Russ Francis. All Pro. Brady went to the Bucs, and who goes with him? Gronk. Who do the Patriots have now?
Hunter Henry. Scored two TD's against the Browns. No G.O.A.T. at qb.
So, in 2021, so far, Brady completed 67.4% of his passes. Look at his wr's. Mike Evans, 6'5",225 lbs, First Round Draft pick....All pro in 2016. and Godwin, 3rd round pick, All Pro. in 2019. and Antonio Brown.
and Gronk.
Baker in 2021 so far, completed 65.4% of his passes.
If Baker throws 2 ints in a first quarter, "he isn't a very good qb".
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Brady picked off twice in 1st; Bucs lose to Washington 29 ...
Tom Brady threw two interceptions in the first quarter as part of an implosion by the reigning Super Bowl champions, contributing to Washington upsetting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 29-19 Sunday ...It's a team game. The G.O.A.T. had receivers that GOT OPEN, or he would not have had completions. Plain and simple.
and their system had been in place for many years. And putting down Brady's wide receivers ignores the TE position.
Gronk and the outstanding TE before him.
Brady has completed more passes in games to tight ends, than we have blades of grass in our lawn. Before Gronk it was Ben Coates. All pro.
Before that, Russ Francis. All Pro. Brady went to the Bucs, and who goes with him? Gronk. Who do the Patriots have now?
Hunter Henry. Scored two TD's against the Browns. No G.O.A.T. at qb.
So, in 2021, so far, Brady completed 67.4% of his passes. Look at his wr's. Mike Evans, 6'5",225 lbs, First Round Draft pick....All pro in 2016. and Godwin, 3rd round pick, All Pro. in 2019. and Antonio Brown.
and Gronk.
Baker in 2021 so far, completed 65.4% of his passes.
If Baker throws 2 ints in a first quarter, "he isn't a very good qb".
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Brady picked off twice in 1st; Bucs lose to Washington 29 ...
Tom Brady threw two interceptions in the first quarter as part of an implosion by the reigning Super Bowl champions, contributing to Washington upsetting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 29-19 Sunday ...At this point- the GOAT has field vision and anticipation that Baker can only dream about having. Yup- Brady had a BAD game against the WFT. Your BFF Josh Allen had one against the Jaguars. Dak Prescott stunk against the Broncos. Great QBs all have off days- but they have damn fewer than what the inconsistent Baker is having 2021. You're hurt? Then swallow your pride and take a seat Baker. Trying to be a hero when it hurts the team?
Uh huh. So the Browns make Austin Hooper the highest paid TE in the NFL- and what have we got so far this year? 24 catches for 208 yards, and TWO TDs. So don't bring up Gronk. Baker couldn't click with OBJ, and he's doing near squat with a Pro Bowl TE at his disposal. Besides the #1 rushing game in the NFL. It's past time to stop making excuses for Baker when he has yet another shitty game. Johnson had 99 yards rushing and another 58 passing. Can't blame him. Sorry- not buying the rest of the Browns WRs suck that bad.
RE: the Patriots.. A stellar 73 yards passing by Baker. Hate to break it to you- but Mac Jones played like Tom Brady. 19\23, 198 yards, and three TDs...
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He just doesn't. He is fine when the rushing game and D are kicking butt, but, he cannot save the day when they aren't, and a top QB often can. He is an average QB at best.
He just doesn't. He is fine when the rushing game and D are kicking butt, but, he cannot save the day when they aren't, and a top QB often can. He is an average QB at best.
I wouldn't say at best. At his best he is a better than average QB.
That said, nobody is at their best all the time, or maybe even a high percentage of the time, so I agree, he doesn't deserve top QB money.
The problem is where do you go from here? Do you let him simply walk? That's a bad choice. Do you franchise tag him? That might be what we do as well as draft someone else. Let him walk and look for some vet and hope you get in to a Tannehill type situation? Who might be out there...Trubisky? Winston? Those are two we might get for mid level money.
One option I am leaving out is getting Baker to sign for mid level money. He might do that, but when a player does that, it is usually with a new team.
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I wonder if we might see a scenario where the Browns do offer Baker a contract extension, but for less money or less years than he's expecting - and he walks.
Sure it could happen.
if he walks we’d have a Five year window three of which behind an elite line. What excuses would we make for him? Is he getting any better in Year 6? Will his support around him get any better? I think some on here would give him 30-35M a year because we’ve had nothing for 20 years.
Mangini…Chud…Pat Shurmur era sucked, 1-15 and 0-16 were awful but Through all that why are we lowering the bar?
Sure it could happen.
if he walks we’d have a Five year window three of which behind an elite line. What excuses would we make for him? Is he getting any better in Year 6? Will his support around him get any better? I think some on here would give him 30-35M a year because we’ve had nothing for 20 years.
Mangini…Chud…Pat Shurmur era sucked, 1-15 and 0-16 were awful but Through all that why are we lowering the bar?
On one hand, I feel that its somewhat unfair to judge his performance this season because of his injuries.
On the other hand, I've always had the nagging thought that this is his ceiling. He came into the NFL with a ton of experience, played well from the get-go, but IMO it isn't going to get much better than what it is now (or at the end of last season, when he was healthier). That isn't bad at all, but closer to median concerning starting NFL QBs than the top. You can win a lot of games with a #10-15 overall QB, but a lot of things have to go right to win it all with that guy. (Joe Flacco, for example, won a Super Bowl)
What I'm worried about, and have mentioned this before, is that Baker gets a big contract and because of it he doesn't have all the talent surrounding him.. and I don't think he's the guy who has the talent to put a mediocre squad around him on his shoulders and make them a Super Bowl contender. What I'm worried about is, and allow me to go back in Cleveland sports history, is that the Baker Mayfield Big Contract Browns will turn into the Mike Fratello 90s Cavs teams. Good enough to eke out of #7 seed to get into the playoffs, and that's about it. Purgatory.
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Sure it could happen.
if he walks we’d have a Five year window three of which behind an elite line. What excuses would we make for him? Is he getting any better in Year 6? Will his support around him get any better? I think some on here would give him 30-35M a year because we’ve had nothing for 20 years.
Mangini…Chud…Pat Shurmur era sucked, 1-15 and 0-16 were awful but Through all that why are we lowering the bar?
On one hand, I feel that its somewhat unfair to judge his performance this season because of his injuries.
On the other hand, I've always had the nagging thought that this is his ceiling. He came into the NFL with a ton of experience, played well from the get-go, but IMO it isn't going to get much better than what it is now (or at the end of last season, when he was healthier). That isn't bad at all, but closer to median concerning starting NFL QBs than the top. You can win a lot of games with a #10-15 overall QB, but a lot of things have to go right to win it all with that guy. (Joe Flacco, for example, won a Super Bowl)
What I'm worried about, and have mentioned this before, is that Baker gets a big contract and because of it he doesn't have all the talent surrounding him.. and I don't think he's the guy who has the talent to put a mediocre squad around him on his shoulders and make them a Super Bowl contender. What I'm worried about is, and allow me to go back in Cleveland sports history, is that the Baker Mayfield Big Contract Browns will turn into the Mike Fratello 90s Cavs teams. Good enough to eke out of #7 seed to get into the playoffs, and that's about it. Purgatory.
I feel that its somewhat unfair to judge his performance this season because of his injuries.
On the other hand, I've always had the nagging thought that this is his ceiling
When do the excuses stop? Life always has circumstances. Nobody gets drafted at the top because the organization is good.. except the Colts and Knicks, of course, and that's a different thread. So every top10 QB has a bad HC or OC or assistant left-handed trainer -- and the very definition of a successful top player is taking a suck pill and overcoming. The simple fact that we're having this conversation means that Baker is not top tier. What's the name for "ceiling is a player named by the coach to be a Pro Bowl substitute because the other guys are either injured or still in the playoffs" ?
Remember that the bar for "topQB" is absolutely not perfection -- Mahomes throws stupid INT's, Allen gets into Failing Hero Ball mode even this season, etc.
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I wonder if we might see a scenario where the Browns do offer Baker a contract extension, but for less money or less years than he's expecting - and he walks.
I wonder if we might see a scenario where the Browns do offer Baker a contract extension, but for less money or less years than he's expecting -
This is what I would expect, at this point. I don't think he walks...but I guess he could if some team thinks he's worth a bundle. I don't think that any coach would break the bank for him. Unless perhaps, McDaniels gets another HC'ing gig.
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You should go watch Watson's performances against the Patriots. First game against them was for 350 total yards 2 TD's and 2int's.
Also worth pointing out how sunk that Texans team has been without him.
I’m sure you can cherry pick a great highlight reel on any QB worth his salt.
I remember the one playoff game Watson won, only because he was sacked 7 times.
Mayfield isn’t elite, but he’s the best QB to wear the Browns jersey since Kosar (who BTW wasn’t elite either).
Mayfield isn’t elite, but he’s the best QB to wear the Browns jersey since Kosar (who BTW wasn’t elite either).
Not a far high bar given our QB history, no?
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Mayfield isn’t elite, but he’s the best QB to wear the Browns jersey since Kosar (who BTW wasn’t elite either).
Not a far high bar given our QB history, no?
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