Baker Mayfield
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Alright, fuck this I'm out. Back on ignore you go. You're free to message me when you pull your head clean out of your ass.
gee, mr. pompous arrogant napoleon -
you are wrong. Your x's and o's are apparently solid, but your
conclusions are not. If you can't handle not being worshiped, don't try to
be the board's "football greek god". It's a freaking TEAM GAME.
And against the best secondaries - they are not getting open.
They CLEARLY SHOWED that on the Browns-Patriots telecast.
It happened to BOTH Baker and Keenum.
So, you can shove it.
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Jesus Christ, people still using Pete Smith as a voice of, well, anything.
I know Pete Smith, I watched roughly a half dozen NFL Drafts with Pete. Somewhere I have a photo of him, me and three or four other guys from the old message board we were on during the 2009 Draft.
Pete Smith is a passionate Browns fan, and takes football seriously. He really does.
He also takes hold of horrible ideas and holds onto them until they are strangled. Argued for years that Barkevious Mingo was a solid pick by the Browns. Loved Joe Banner. Loved the Mangini '09 Browns draft. (Look it up). And before anyone responds with "WELL HE'S GOT A JOB WITH SI AND YOU DON'T", allow me to write MARY KAY CABOT.
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Foreshadowing Part 2: You see above with the Mac Jones throw where I mentioned he knew where he wanted to go with the ball pre-snap, if he could get the MIKE backer (Malcolm) to move post snap out of the throwing lane. You trust your man to win 1 on 1 and then put the dart in the window. This is something in that similar mold except to the opposite. It's Hoop on a shake and drag against a backer with good inside leverage, but he still wins the route.
From empty with no additional help inside, no middle field safety and the nearest linebacker split inside of DPJ. Bakers eyes are on DPJ waiting for him to get upfield and round past the linebacker. Looks like Pats are in cover 2 but there's no middle field sink. If there was it would likely be the backer over Hoop. In all honesty, given the amount of bodies and their leverage committed to DPJ and Landry, Hoop is where Bakers eyes should have started and stayed.
AH with the shake, gets the linebacker to take two steps out and gather his weight towards the hash.
Hoop gets clear. This is open in the NFL, BTW.
Ball should have been out a 1/4 second after this frame was taken. Instead Baker is still starring at open middlefield space waiting for DPJ to round out around the linebacker. In empty, which has been an issue for Baker pretty much his entire career, I would hope he and the coaching staff would have work on taking the gimmie throws. This one to our big FA TE should have been such a gimmie.
Instead Baker holds onto the ball, doesn't slide well in the pocket with the interior rush is guided past him.
Hoop has now made the hash, Baker see's him "flash". This is where I need a QB who can move around in a tight pocket or learn where/when to step and reset.
Baker comes down to Hoop late and leads him INTO traffic. You'll see the WILL backer has fallen off DPJ into his hook zone, with eyes leading him to Hoop.
Hoop hangs onto the pass while getting absolutely stuck and moves the chains.
I know most of you will go "Ok, yeah? - completion". But it's that foreshadow I'm taking about where Baker struggled with the little things and this was a first down of bad math. The decision was poor and slow at the start and it was a very fortunate thing to pick up this 1st down. It's a foreshadow I spoke of because when I see a QB struggling with something so simple, I know I have a + defensive game plan waiting on my first adjustments. This is on Baker, his eyes and his pre-snap/post decision making.
This is the type of late throw that gets your pass catchers fucked up or worse - produces turnovers.
Baker isn't well right now. And unless the running game is front and center so the play action itself can move linebackers and safeties, I'm not certain if he ever will be. The worst part is the routes developing behind Hoop. Those are concepts this team can't effectively hit on/exploit because we really don't have the ability to do that when our QB doesn't have his 1st read and feet perfectly settled.
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Just bustin' balls and firing up those that want to run the best QB the Browns have had since Vinny out of town. (oh shit, that'll trigger the 19 Church crowd in 3, 2, 1....)
Here's to hoping that Myles will somehow help just a little more during the next 47 point rectum tearing assault by the opposition...... Reggie would.
The best QB since whoever argument is such a bad hill to die on.
The Browns have had a lot of mediocre to outright bad QBs since they came back in '99. There's a reason they've had three winning seasons in the last 22+ seasons.
He'll get a fifth season, but if we are still questioning if he's the guy 50+ starts into his career, well there's a reason this thread exists.
The best QB since whoever argument is such a bad hill to die on.
The Browns have had a lot of mediocre to outright bad QBs since they came back in '99. There's a reason they've had three winning seasons in the last 22+ seasons.
He'll get a fifth season, but if we are still questioning if he's the guy 50+ starts into his career, well there's a reason this thread exists.
I'll die on whatever hill I want to thank you very much... after all, I pedaled up it.
Well, I guess the Browns can just load the cart up and Buy-It-Now to find someone better than Baker next year, they have made that look so very easy since 1995.
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The best QB since whoever argument is such a bad hill to die on.
The Browns have had a lot of mediocre to outright bad QBs since they came back in '99. There's a reason they've had three winning seasons in the last 22+ seasons.
He'll get a fifth season, but if we are still questioning if he's the guy 50+ starts into his career, well there's a reason this thread exists.
I'll die on whatever hill I want to thank you very much... after all, I pedaled up it.
Well, I guess the Browns can just load the cart up and Buy-It-Now to find someone better than Baker next year, they have made that look so very easy since 1995.
I'll die on whatever hill I want to thank you very much... after all, I pedaled up it.
Well, I guess the Browns can just load the cart up and Buy-It-Now to find someone better than Baker next year, they have made that look so very easy since 1995.
No, what they should do is invest a ton of money on Baker.
They've made great moves like that since 1995, too.
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Just bustin' balls and firing up those that want to run the best QB the Browns have had since Vinny out of town. (oh shit, that'll trigger the 19 Church crowd in 3, 2, 1....)
Here's to hoping that Myles will somehow help just a little more during the next 47 point rectum tearing assault by the opposition...... Reggie would.
The best QB since whoever argument is such a bad hill to die on.
The Browns have had a lot of mediocre to outright bad QBs since they came back in '99. There's a reason they've had three winning seasons in the last 22+ seasons.
He'll get a fifth season, but if we are still questioning if he's the guy 50+ starts into his career, well there's a reason this thread exists.
The best QB since whoever argument is such a bad hill to die on.
The Browns have had a lot of mediocre to outright bad QBs since they came back in '99. There's a reason they've had three winning seasons in the last 22+ seasons.
He'll get a fifth season, but if we are still questioning if he's the guy 50+ starts into his career, well there's a reason this thread exists.
Since the days of Otto Graham, which no one on the low side of 80 remembers... This is it.. Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar good but not HOF material.
Remains to be seen if Baker has hit his ceiling, or as Tia is pointing out- defenses have figured out his weaknesses... The next seven games will tell us a lot...
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The best QB since whoever argument is such a bad hill to die on.
The Browns have had a lot of mediocre to outright bad QBs since they came back in '99. There's a reason they've had three winning seasons in the last 22+ seasons.
He'll get a fifth season, but if we are still questioning if he's the guy 50+ starts into his career, well there's a reason this thread exists.
Since the days of Otto Graham, which no one on the low side of 80 remembers... This is it.. Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar good but not HOF material.
Remains to be seen if Baker has hit his ceiling, or as Tia is pointing out- defenses have figured out his weaknesses... The next seven games will tell us a lot...
Since the days of Otto Graham, which no one on the low side of 80 remembers... This is it.. Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar good but not HOF material.
Remains to be seen if Baker has hit his ceiling, or as Tia is pointing out- defenses have figured out his weaknesses... The next seven games will tell us a lot...
At the end of the day, I think Baker is the QB of the Browns in 2022.
But IMO it's 50/50 beyond that. I honestly have no idea either way.
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The best QB since whoever argument is such a bad hill to die on.
The Browns have had a lot of mediocre to outright bad QBs since they came back in '99. There's a reason they've had three winning seasons in the last 22+ seasons.
He'll get a fifth season, but if we are still questioning if he's the guy 50+ starts into his career, well there's a reason this thread exists.
Since the days of Otto Graham, which no one on the low side of 80 remembers... This is it.. Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar good but not HOF material.
Remains to be seen if Baker has hit his ceiling, or as Tia is pointing out- defenses have figured out his weaknesses... The next seven games will tell us a lot...
Since the days of Otto Graham, which no one on the low side of 80 remembers... This is it.. Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar good but not HOF material.
Remains to be seen if Baker has hit his ceiling, or as Tia is pointing out- defenses have figured out his weaknesses... The next seven games will tell us a lot...
Six weeks and a bye this season is almost over. Good thing nobody else is exactly tearing it up.
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I'll die on whatever hill I want to thank you very much... after all, I pedaled up it.
Well, I guess the Browns can just load the cart up and Buy-It-Now to find someone better than Baker next year, they have made that look so very easy since 1995.
No, what they should do is invest a ton of money on Baker.
They've made great moves like that since 1995, too.
No, what they should do is invest a ton of money on Baker.
They've made great moves like that since 1995, too.
So red pill or blue pill? We all know how that worked out for Morpheus.
FWIW, I don't think Baker is going to be a mega deal QB for anyone. I think he'll slot in around mid pack and all of this premature hand wringing about paying him Mahomes type money will have been for nothing.... but at least it's entertaining.
FWIW2, I also wouldn't throw a ton of money at him either.
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No, what they should do is invest a ton of money on Baker.
They've made great moves like that since 1995, too.
So red pill or blue pill? We all know how that worked out for Morpheus.
FWIW, I don't think Baker is going to be a mega deal QB for anyone. I think he'll slot in around mid pack and all of this premature hand wringing about paying him Mahomes type money will have been for nothing.... but at least it's entertaining.
FWIW2, I also wouldn't throw a ton of money at him either.
So red pill or blue pill? We all know how that worked out for Morpheus.
FWIW, I don't think Baker is going to be a mega deal QB for anyone. I think he'll slot in around mid pack and all of this premature hand wringing about paying him Mahomes type money will have been for nothing.... but at least it's entertaining.
FWIW2, I also wouldn't throw a ton of money at him either.
Before this season, I would have guessed that Baker, his people, and Baker fans would have asked for Dak Prescott money. I remember quite a few people on here saying that Baker is better than Prescott - and he received a four year, $160 mill contract almost all guaranteed.
Things have definitely changed.
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The Fuck? It's a 10 minute audio clip with a dude who has a high pitched, whiny ass voice going on a rant and nothing else. No film, no plays, no screenshots or route breakdowns. Nothing. And this person has 7.7k subs? Jesus Christ... who fucking listens to this trash?
That's the biggest insult you've actually given me. You just randomly found this clip either through google or YouTube, found words that matched your own and just spam linked it. But I've been on this board for a handful of years and apparently fuck the time I put into it, huh?
No study, no investigation, no film watch. No work of your own to stand on. Just hollow words from some random. And that is why you can't match me. You can't and won't put in the work that I do.
I forgot to change my ignore preferences last night, I'll fix that mistake right now.
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Since the days of Otto Graham, which no one on the low side of 80 remembers... This is it.. Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar good but not HOF material.
Remains to be seen if Baker has hit his ceiling, or as Tia is pointing out- defenses have figured out his weaknesses... The next seven games will tell us a lot...
At the end of the day, I think Baker is the QB of the Browns in 2022.
But IMO it's 50/50 beyond that. I honestly have no idea either way.
At the end of the day, I think Baker is the QB of the Browns in 2022.
But IMO it's 50/50 beyond that. I honestly have no idea either way.
I would say it is 50/50 next year.
I would not be surprised if we trade away picks and find a vet….there are certainly names floating around.
We extended Chubb, Myles, Part of our line….they are all in their prime. The time is now.
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At the end of the day, I think Baker is the QB of the Browns in 2022.
But IMO it's 50/50 beyond that. I honestly have no idea either way.
I would say it is 50/50 next year.
I would not be surprised if we trade away picks and find a vet….there are certainly names floating around.
We extended Chubb, Myles, Part of our line….they are all in their prime. The time is now.
I would say it is 50/50 next year.
I would not be surprised if we trade away picks and find a vet….there are certainly names floating around.
We extended Chubb, Myles, Part of our line….they are all in their prime. The time is now.
What names? Outside of Watson, Rodgers and Wilson that have been talked about since August?
Cause one might be going to prison, one is a nutbag that might retire after you trade for him and still don't see the others team giving him up for the picks the Browns have and this qb class incoming....
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I would say it is 50/50 next year.
I would not be surprised if we trade away picks and find a vet….there are certainly names floating around.
We extended Chubb, Myles, Part of our line….they are all in their prime. The time is now.
What names? Outside of Watson, Rodgers and Wilson that have been talked about since August?
Cause one might be going to prison, one is a nutbag that might retire after you trade for him and still don't see the others team giving him up for the picks the Browns have and this qb class incoming....
What names? Outside of Watson, Rodgers and Wilson that have been talked about since August?
Cause one might be going to prison, one is a nutbag that might retire after you trade for him and still don't see the others team giving him up for the picks the Browns have and this qb class incoming....
When you say what names and casually dismiss a ”nutbag” and Russ…those IMO and many others are headliners and certainly guys you call and inquire about if you are 75% of the league
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The Fuck? It's a 10 minute audio clip with a dude who has a high pitched, whiny ass voice going on a rant and nothing else. No film, no plays, no screenshots or route breakdowns. Nothing. And this person has 7.7k subs? Jesus Christ... who fucking listens to this trash?
That's the biggest insult you've actually given me. You just randomly found this clip either through google or YouTube, found words that matched your own and just spam linked it. But I've been on this board for a handful of years and apparently fuck the time I put into it, huh?
No study, no investigation, no film watch. No work of your own to stand on. Just hollow words from some random. And that is why you can't match me. You can't and won't put in the work that I do.
I forgot to change my ignore preferences last night, I'll fix that mistake right now.
The Fuck? It's a 10 minute audio clip with a dude who has a high pitched, whiny ass voice going on a rant and nothing else. No film, no plays, no screenshots or route breakdowns. Nothing. And this person has 7.7k subs? Jesus Christ... who fucking listens to this trash?
That's the biggest insult you've actually given me. You just randomly found this clip either through google or YouTube, found words that matched your own and just spam linked it. But I've been on this board for a handful of years and apparently fuck the time I put into it, huh?
No study, no investigation, no film watch. No work of your own to stand on. Just hollow words from some random. And that is why you can't match me. You can't and won't put in the work that I do.
I forgot to change my ignore preferences last night, I'll fix that mistake right now.
and yet, you did not address the content of the clip. You know, WHAT he was saying.
and DO put me on ignore, Shirley. Because I sneeze in your direction, will never bow to it. Btw......Nice shoulder pads
dude.
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The Fuck? It's a 10 minute audio clip with a dude who has a high pitched, whiny ass voice going on a rant and nothing else. No film, no plays, no screenshots or route breakdowns. Nothing. And this person has 7.7k subs? Jesus Christ... who fucking listens to this trash?
That's the biggest insult you've actually given me. You just randomly found this clip either through google or YouTube, found words that matched your own and just spam linked it. But I've been on this board for a handful of years and apparently fuck the time I put into it, huh?
No study, no investigation, no film watch. No work of your own to stand on. Just hollow words from some random. And that is why you can't match me. You can't and won't put in the work that I do.
I forgot to change my ignore preferences last night, I'll fix that mistake right now.
and yet, you did not address the content of the clip. You know, WHAT he was saying.
and DO put me on ignore, Shirley. Because I sneeze in your direction, will never bow to it. Btw......Nice shoulder pads
dude.
and yet, you did not address the content of the clip. You know, WHAT he was saying.
and DO put me on ignore, Shirley. Because I sneeze in your direction, will never bow to it. Btw......Nice shoulder pads
dude.
That clip, as Tia said- is little more than a 10 minute homage to Baker. It's only one side of the coin. There's plenty of other guys out there (with either NFL playing experience or scouting and in some cases both) who are saying the opposite. Steve Smith who probably has forgotten more about football than you know- publicly declared Baker "average" on TNF.
Yeah, I've seen your act elsewhere Cal. Just keep repeatedly beating anyone with a different take with your POV until they just give up. And declare you "won".
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and yet, you did not address the content of the clip. You know, WHAT he was saying.
and DO put me on ignore, Shirley. Because I sneeze in your direction, will never bow to it. Btw......Nice shoulder pads
dude.
That clip, as Tia said- is little more than a 10 minute homage to Baker. It's only one side of the coin. There's plenty of other guys out there (with either NFL playing experience or scouting and in some cases both) who are saying the opposite. Steve Smith who probably has forgotten more about football than you know- publicly declared Baker "average" on TNF.
Yeah, I've seen your act elsewhere Cal. Just keep repeatedly beating anyone with a different take with your POV until they just give up. And declare you "won".
That clip, as Tia said- is little more than a 10 minute homage to Baker. It's only one side of the coin. There's plenty of other guys out there (with either NFL playing experience or scouting and in some cases both) who are saying the opposite. Steve Smith who probably has forgotten more about football than you know- publicly declared Baker "average" on TNF.
Yeah, I've seen your act elsewhere Cal. Just keep repeatedly beating anyone with a different take with your POV until they just give up. And declare you "won".
Never said that. Perhaps you could forget about putting words in there that are false so you can make some warped point...maybe....like you do elsewhere a LOT?
My point is, you and Tiam don't get to blast anyone who doesn't buy into your surpremist football superiority. I can easily be wrong, but will not be intimidated into not having my own observations. You don't get it working your way on the other forum, and it ain't gonna work here.
AGAIN, I'll have my own, perhaps dumb observations, and try to justify them the best I can. But saying I'm not allowed to have them, or belittle someone in a wheelchair because we don't bow in your direction.... is not going to work.
Remember, your tirade over me daring to disagree with you and Tiam about Josh Allen and Josh Rosen? case in point.
Rosen was your and Tiam's super=duper super qb. But you two know football, and I and others were NOT allowed to disagree.
Have a nice day. (where is the world IS your Josh Rosen, anyways?)
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2021/08/21/greenberg-defends-browns-baker-mayfield/
Time to sit Baker. He's tough, but the effects of his injuries are obvious at times. Other times, it's amazing he can still pull it off. at times.
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and yet, you did not address the content of the clip. You know, WHAT he was saying.
and DO put me on ignore, Shirley. Because I sneeze in your direction, will never bow to it. Btw......Nice shoulder pads
dude.
That clip, as Tia said- is little more than a 10 minute homage to Baker. It's only one side of the coin. There's plenty of other guys out there (with either NFL playing experience or scouting and in some cases both) who are saying the opposite. Steve Smith who probably has forgotten more about football than you know- publicly declared Baker "average" on TNF.
Yeah, I've seen your act elsewhere Cal. Just keep repeatedly beating anyone with a different take with your POV until they just give up. And declare you "won".
Steve Smith who probably has forgotten more about football than you know- publicly declared Baker "average" on TNF
do you know who Ike Taylor is? nopesies?
https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/baker-mayfield-ike-taylor/
Former Steeler Defends Browns QB Baker Mayfield
and, Hoorta, (and Tiamsies)
do you know who Dan Orlovsky is? He was a pro qb. and he always knew more football than you and your buddy Tiam have ever known, probably squared more.
'Stop disrespecting Baker Mayfield': NFL analyst defends Cleveland Browns QB
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That clip, as Tia said- is little more than a 10 minute homage to Baker. It's only one side of the coin. There's plenty of other guys out there (with either NFL playing experience or scouting and in some cases both) who are saying the opposite. Steve Smith who probably has forgotten more about football than you know- publicly declared Baker "average" on TNF.
Yeah, I've seen your act elsewhere Cal. Just keep repeatedly beating anyone with a different take with your POV until they just give up. And declare you "won".
Never said that. Perhaps you could forget about putting words in there that are false so you can make some warped point...maybe....like you do elsewhere a LOT?
My point is, you and Tiam don't get to blast anyone who doesn't buy into your surpremist football superiority. I can easily be wrong, but will not be intimidated into not having my own observations. You don't get it working your way on the other forum, and it ain't gonna work here.
AGAIN, I'll have my own, perhaps dumb observations, and try to justify them the best I can. But saying I'm not allowed to have them, or belittle someone in a wheelchair because we don't bow in your direction.... is not going to work.
Remember, your tirade over me daring to disagree with you and Tiam about Josh Allen and Josh Rosen? case in point.
Rosen was your and Tiam's super=duper super qb. But you two know football, and I and others were NOT allowed to disagree.
Have a nice day. (where is the world IS your Josh Rosen, anyways?)
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2021/08/21/greenberg-defends-browns-baker-mayfield/
Time to sit Baker. He's tough, but the effects of his injuries are obvious at times. Other times, it's amazing he can still pull it off. at times.
Remember, your tirade over me daring to disagree with you and Tiam about Josh Allen and Josh Rosen? case in point.
Rosen was your and Tiam's super=duper super qb. But you two know football, and I and others were NOT allowed to disagree.
Have a nice day. (where is the world IS your Josh Rosen, anyways?)
1) Regarding Allen- you know the guy me and damn near everyone who scouted him said there were serious concerns about his accuracy at Wyoming? How many games of his college games did you watch? Hmmm?
2) Rosen? The QB that was probably #3 on my list?
FYI- seems like you were looking at maybe one or two screenshots of Browns receivers being completely covered, and then making a generalization. Tia has been viewing entire games of the all 22 that gives him a damn more accurate picture of what's going on. Nice try when Tia shows our highest paid TE in the NFL breaking open over the middle- and Baker is slow getting the ball to him. That Cal isn't an isolated instance, not by a long shot. It also will be IMHO- what's going to separate Baker from the Brady's and Aaron Rodgers of the NFL world. his internal clock can't process what he's seeing (not quite) fast enough.
We've become so accustomed to the garbage we've seen at QB, just having a guy who's average is an improvement. BTW, you can look up my posts- I've been pretty good at QB scouting. Was happy we drafted Baker "It's a SIN if we draft Quinn", almost barfed when we drafted Deshone Kizer.
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