Baker Mayfield
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When you say what names and casually dismiss a ”nutbag” and Russ…those IMO and many others are headliners and certainly guys you call and inquire about if you are 75% of the league
Aaron Rodgers is a nutbag. Weird, weird dude that I have a real hard time giving up multiple first round picks for just to have him show up for one year, get pissed and retire. Or take horse tranquilizer to combat COVID or whatever the hell he does...
Russell Wilson is literally the only viable vet. Still don't know why Seattle would give him up for anything the Browns would be able to offer.
Aaron Rodgers is a nutbag. Weird, weird dude that I have a real hard time giving up multiple first round picks for just to have him show up for one year, get pissed and retire. Or take horse tranquilizer to combat COVID or whatever the hell he does...
Russell Wilson is literally the only viable vet. Still don't know why Seattle would give him up for anything the Browns would be able to offer.
Were not getting either of them... We're better off riding Baker for as long as we can ride him and draft a guy down the road..
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I'd like to hear a seahawks reporter confirm any of this with Russ....https://www.brownsnation.com/report-russell-wilson-nearly-traded-to-browns-in-2018/ other media markets reported the same.... Wilson is believed to have been on board with this trade.
And Huey called it crazy so I’d think the opposite.
I remember this.
What are Russ options? New coach bad team in Seattle…void of picks for years. Maybe Philly? NY Giants? Pitt? Carolina? Miami? Detroit? Indy?
What are Russ options? New coach bad team in Seattle…void of picks for years. Maybe Philly? NY Giants? Pitt? Carolina? Miami? Detroit? Indy?
you won't see Russ on this list until 2024.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback//
He does have a no trade clause ?.. but does have a pending Out he could try to hold leverage on in 2022...
I'm having a hard time guessing at Bakers season ending shoulder surgery future/to outcome? I'm guessing, da 'experts will be running aye-muck to Baker's House all off-season
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Baker isn't going anywhere. Pay him top money? nope.
But it isn't all his fault. So, watching the Falcons-patriots game last night, per Gumby's list of salaries....I would give Baker a contract in Goff-Wilson range - mid thirties, with incentives.
So, Baker had a very dismal game vs the Patriots.
then last night....
Matt Ryan laid an egg. I suppose by self-anointed "expert" logic,
"Matt Ryan sucks and is just average", eh? and Baker has a broken shoulder bone and torn labrum and knee/ankle injury? Matt Ryans' stats look dismal. Baker was only sacked twice I think. Baker had 1 TD. 1 INT..... Matt Ryan, healthy, had 0 TD's, 4 sacks.
zero points.
Note that Ryan's top wr's are an UDFA, fifth round pick, sixth round pick. Just an indication that they have not paid much attention to the wr position. The Browns are in better shape, and that isn't solid either. Also, I admit that Hoorta and Tiam's Josh Rosen actually got to play for 3 plays. He completed one pass for five yards and threw an INT, out of 3 tries at the end of the game.
C/ATT YDS TD INT SACKS QBR M. Ryan 19/28
153
0
2
4-33
23.3
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I'd like to hear a seahawks reporter confirm any of this with Russ....https://www.brownsnation.com/report-russell-wilson-nearly-traded-to-browns-in-2018/ other media markets reported the same.... Wilson is believed to have been on board with this trade.
And Huey called it crazy so I’d think the opposite.
I remember this.
What are Russ options? New coach bad team in Seattle…void of picks for years. Maybe Philly? NY Giants? Pitt? Carolina? Miami? Detroit? Indy?
And Huey called it crazy so I’d think the opposite.
I remember this.
What are Russ options? New coach bad team in Seattle…void of picks for years. Maybe Philly? NY Giants? Pitt? Carolina? Miami? Detroit? Indy?Seeing that the contingent offers (legal issues resolved) for Watson were three first round picks +, the asking price for Wilson is going to be the same. MHO? The Browns may inquire, and say "no thanks". I just don't see Berry as the type of GM that's going to push all his chips in the middle of the table for one shot at a ring.
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You know you've got a good quarterback when there's no debate on whether or not he's a good quarterback.
You know you've got a good quarterback when there's no debate on whether or not he's a good quarterback.
Simple but true -but- . it would go for almost anything like you know you've got a good pizza when there's no debate on whether or not it's a good pizza......eh ?
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Simple but true -but- . it would go for almost anything like you know you've got a good pizza when there's no debate on whether or not it's a good pizza......eh ?
You can say that, but that sounds like you're getting into peoples taste's. Their taste in cars, music, etc.
The type of QB fans prefer has nothing to do with whether they are good or bad.
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Since the days of Otto Graham, which no one on the low side of 80 remembers... This is it.. Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar good but not HOF material.
Remains to be seen if Baker has hit his ceiling, or as Tia is pointing out- defenses have figured out his weaknesses... The next seven games will tell us a lot...
At the end of the day, I think Baker is the QB of the Browns in 2022.
But IMO it's 50/50 beyond that. I honestly have no idea either way.
At the end of the day, I think Baker is the QB of the Browns in 2022.
But IMO it's 50/50 beyond that. I honestly have no idea either way.
That makes 2 of us.
I am one that was thrilled we drafted Baker; and I still am. If you look at the group of WRs we've been putting on the field all year including OBJ - the only guy that remotely excites me is DPJ (who should be a #2 WR elsewhere that is easily the best WR this team has). Today, I'm watching Ohio State with the type of pass pro, offensive system/coaching and talent on the perimeter that makes playing QB confident and fun. The NFL is a game of matchups and what WR represents our winning matchup out there? Schwartz has speed but he looks like Edward Scissorhands trying to catch a football. Landry looks like 20% of the player (due to injuries) he was when Baker was a rookie. And OBJ? If anyone thinks this is the same guy he was before the brutal ankle fracture in NY and the 2 major injuries since - I have some land for sale in Alligator Alley. Would Schwartz or Hollywood Higgins even get playing time anywhere in the AFC North beside Cleveland? The Browns are a Higgins' fumble before the pylon away from an AFC Championship appearance in January 2021. People wanting to pin everything on Baker don't want to hear that; but let's be honest with ourselves here - it mattered on the road. Having said that, I will say Baker done nothing to silence his critics this season.
Unfortunately, the Browns aren't a hard team to play defense against right now. 1 position that needs to be addressed this off season is WR - and it's not like Columbus is that far for the Browns' scouting department to travel.
The Browns have an ideal run blocking line with some quality depth at RB; but a coaching staff like NE will put their pass pro and QB decisions on trial (especially with the WR Corps not winning very many matchups).
I see an 8-9 caliber football team right now. I'd love it if only 1 player was the problem; but is it ever that easy? Hope I'm wrong!
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Remember, your tirade over me daring to disagree with you and Tiam about Josh Allen and Josh Rosen? case in point.
Rosen was your and Tiam's super=duper super qb. But you two know football, and I and others were NOT allowed to disagree.
Have a nice day. (where is the world IS your Josh Rosen, anyways?)
1) Regarding Allen- you know the guy me and damn near everyone who scouted him said there were serious concerns about his accuracy at Wyoming? How many games of his college games did you watch? Hmmm?
2) Rosen? The QB that was probably #3 on my list?
FYI- seems like you were looking at maybe one or two screenshots of Browns receivers being completely covered, and then making a generalization. Tia has been viewing entire games of the all 22 that gives him a damn more accurate picture of what's going on. Nice try when Tia shows our highest paid TE in the NFL breaking open over the middle- and Baker is slow getting the ball to him. That Cal isn't an isolated instance, not by a long shot. It also will be IMHO- what's going to separate Baker from the Brady's and Aaron Rodgers of the NFL world. his internal clock can't process what he's seeing (not quite) fast enough.
We've become so accustomed to the garbage we've seen at QB, just having a guy who's average is an improvement. BTW, you can look up my posts- I've been pretty good at QB scouting. Was happy we drafted Baker "It's a SIN if we draft Quinn", almost barfed when we drafted Deshone Kizer.
Nice try when Tia shows our highest paid TE in the NFL breaking open over the middle- and Baker is slow getting the ball to him. That Cal isn't an isolated instance, not by a long shot. It also will be IMHO- what's going to separate Baker from the Brady's and Aaron Rodgers of the NFL world. his internal clock can't process what he's seeing (not quite) fast enough. We've become so accustomed to the garbage we've seen at QB, just having a guy who's average is an improvement
Oh, no. Baker didn't see our TE open? that "proves" he's only average? I'm telling you it's a TEAM GAME.
well, if that is your and Tiam's criteria, you think Tom Brady is only "average" and Brothlessbooger is only "average".
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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tom-brady-struggles-finding-wide-receivers
Tom Brady aware of struggles finding open wide receivers this season
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Steelers QB, OC Not Worried About Silly Official Run/Pass ...
Oh and let's not forget about Roethlisberger missing wide-open wide receiver Justin Hunter in the end zone a few games ago.*****************************************************II
you mentioned Rodgers, btw, do you see a Devonte Adams on the Browns roster? yes or no? He's been All pro, you know. 2nd round draft pick in 2014. Rodgers has thrown to Adams about 61? times this season? Don't you wish Baker had a Devonte Adams?
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At the end of the day, I think Baker is the QB of the Browns in 2022.
But IMO it's 50/50 beyond that. I honestly have no idea either way.
That makes 2 of us.
I am one that was thrilled we drafted Baker; and I still am. If you look at the group of WRs we've been putting on the field all year including OBJ - the only guy that remotely excites me is DPJ (who should be a #2 WR elsewhere that is easily the best WR this team has). Today, I'm watching Ohio State with the type of pass pro, offensive system/coaching and talent on the perimeter that makes playing QB confident and fun. The NFL is a game of matchups and what WR represents our winning matchup out there? Schwartz has speed but he looks like Edward Scissorhands trying to catch a football. Landry looks like 20% of the player (due to injuries) he was when Baker was a rookie. And OBJ? If anyone thinks this is the same guy he was before the brutal ankle fracture in NY and the 2 major injuries since - I have some land for sale in Alligator Alley. Would Schwartz or Hollywood Higgins even get playing time anywhere in the AFC North beside Cleveland? The Browns are a Higgins' fumble before the pylon away from an AFC Championship appearance in January 2021. People wanting to pin everything on Baker don't want to hear that; but let's be honest with ourselves here - it mattered on the road. Having said that, I will say Baker done nothing to silence his critics this season.
Unfortunately, the Browns aren't a hard team to play defense against right now. 1 position that needs to be addressed this off season is WR - and it's not like Columbus is that far for the Browns' scouting department to travel.
The Browns have an ideal run blocking line with some quality depth at RB; but a coaching staff like NE will put their pass pro and QB decisions on trial (especially with the WR Corps not winning very many matchups).
I see an 8-9 caliber football team right now. I'd love it if only 1 player was the problem; but is it ever that easy? Hope I'm wrong!
That makes 2 of us.
Unfortunately, the Browns aren't a hard team to play defense against right now. 1 position that needs to be addressed this off season is WR - and it's not like Columbus is that far for the Browns' scouting department to travel.
The Browns have an ideal run blocking line with some quality depth at RB; but a coaching staff like NE will put their pass pro and QB decisions on trial (especially with the WR Corps not winning very many matchups).
I see an 8-9 caliber football team right now. I'd love it if only 1 player was the problem; but is it ever that easy? Hope I'm wrong!
Yes, I caught the Buckeyes game. That was a total demolition of a ranked team. They have a couple decent receivers that would look good in Brown & Orange. It was Duck Season in Salt Lake City. Time for OSU to jump Alabama in the polls. Will the Committee put the Bearcats in the top four? I sure hope so. Especially assuming Georgia rolls the Tide in the SEC Championship.
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That makes 2 of us.
Unfortunately, the Browns aren't a hard team to play defense against right now. 1 position that needs to be addressed this off season is WR - and it's not like Columbus is that far for the Browns' scouting department to travel.
The Browns have an ideal run blocking line with some quality depth at RB; but a coaching staff like NE will put their pass pro and QB decisions on trial (especially with the WR Corps not winning very many matchups).
I see an 8-9 caliber football team right now. I'd love it if only 1 player was the problem; but is it ever that easy? Hope I'm wrong!
Yes, I caught the Buckeyes game. That was a total demolition of a ranked team. They have a couple decent receivers that would look good in Brown & Orange. It was Duck Season in Salt Lake City. Time for OSU to jump Alabama in the polls. Will the Committee put the Bearcats in the top four? I sure hope so. Especially assuming Georgia rolls the Tide in the SEC Championship.
Yes, I caught the Buckeyes game. That was a total demolition of a ranked team. They have a couple decent receivers that would look good in Brown & Orange. It was Duck Season in Salt Lake City. Time for OSU to jump Alabama in the polls. Will the Committee put the Bearcats in the top four? I sure hope so. Especially assuming Georgia rolls the Tide in the SEC Championship.
Agreed! Now back to the reason I brought up the WR position - are we sure it's JUST Baker we need to upgrade asap? And I'm impressed with how many people think Lamar Jackson is hard to stop; especially considering he wasn't exactly Josh Rosen PRE-draft. The convenient out for all of Rosen's pre-draft fans was "bad football team - poor guy just didn't have a chance." Sticking with such a precedent, what was the record of the team that drafted Baker?
I've seen enough of the guy to know what he CAN do even as a wide eyed rookie entering his 1st game with a 14 point deficit and leading the Browns to victory. Just to recap, the 0-16 team started his rookie year 0-1-1. Still a worthless team without him on the field. Next thing you know the team went 7-7 in the games he played; and he's setting a TD passing record for rookie QBs on a franchise with a record of 1-32-1 in the 34 games before he 1st entered the field. In 2019, the Browns lost both starting Tackles in the opener plus the 1st backup at LT all in 1 game vrs TN. That season became a necessary backward step that the FO used to draft Wills and sign Conklin as priorities to the 2020 offense that won 11 regular season games + 1 playoff game where the Browns score 48 points AT PITTSBURGH. So let's get rid of Baker so we can return to watching this franchise draft QBs the way it has done since 1999? It's been THAT fun has it?
More math? Have we forgotten the inventory of Offensive Coordinators here that the young QB had to learn and deprogram? And people act like if THIS franchise just drafted Lamar Jackson he'd be in 1 piece ALLOWED to do the stuff seemingly only Baltimore was interested in letting him do as soon as they submitted their draft selection of him. Hue Jackson would have put him on a leash saying QBs aren't RBs in this league; and he'd have more broken bones than Evil Kaneival. Tim Couch had a 64 yard run vrs the Rams as a rookie right before halftime thinking Chris Palmer was going to compliment him before Palmer tore him a new ass. Meanwhile in Philly, Donovan McNabb was playing for an offensive minded HC and OC that allowed him the type of liberties with his feet that Baltimore has done with Lamar. All McNabb did was turn around the team with the worst record in 98 with 9 playoff appearances, 5 NFC Championship Games and 1 SB. in his 1st 10 or 11 seasons. SOME of this is the luck of going to the right MIND/system. It makes no sense to me if you draft anyone only to Dr Frankenstein all his gifts into something he isn't wired to do.
How come when teams are easily getting outside of Myles Garrett off the edge - we're/he's only blaming the Coordinator and teammates? I LOVE sacks but not at the expense of giving up contain. We're not stopping shit with film going viral on how to beat it. And when they lined up Clowney next to Garrett - it was the easiest TD Houston scored all year. The good news was Tyrod pulled a hammy so the Browns could come back and win.
I've seen what this team is capable of with Baker enough to know I'm not interested in returning to the QB t-shirt culture everyone once bitched about (especially me) before Baker arrived. It's up to the FO and coaching staff to get this stuff worked out. As I was leading to, upgrading the WR position would be an ideal place to start. Not many opponents are going to have trouble winning their matchups against our guys on the perimeter. Let's hope that doesn't include the winless Lions today...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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Yes, I caught the Buckeyes game. That was a total demolition of a ranked team. They have a couple decent receivers that would look good in Brown & Orange. It was Duck Season in Salt Lake City. Time for OSU to jump Alabama in the polls. Will the Committee put the Bearcats in the top four? I sure hope so. Especially assuming Georgia rolls the Tide in the SEC Championship.
Agreed! Now back to the reason I brought up the WR position - are we sure it's JUST Baker we need to upgrade asap? And I'm impressed with how many people think Lamar Jackson is hard to stop; especially considering he wasn't exactly Josh Rosen PRE-draft. The convenient out for all of Rosen's pre-draft fans was "bad football team - poor guy just didn't have a chance." Sticking with such a precedent, what was the record of the team that drafted Baker?
I've seen enough of the guy to know what he CAN do even as a wide eyed rookie entering his 1st game with a 14 point deficit and leading the Browns to victory. Just to recap, the 0-16 team started his rookie year 0-1-1. Still a worthless team without him on the field. Next thing you know the team went 7-7 in the games he played; and he's setting a TD passing record for rookie QBs on a franchise with a record of 1-32-1 in the 34 games before he 1st entered the field. In 2019, the Browns lost both starting Tackles in the opener plus the 1st backup at LT all in 1 game vrs TN. That season became a necessary backward step that the FO used to draft Wills and sign Conklin as priorities to the 2020 offense that won 11 regular season games + 1 playoff game where the Browns score 48 points AT PITTSBURGH. So let's get rid of Baker so we can return to watching this franchise draft QBs the way it has done since 1999? It's been THAT fun has it?
More math? Have we forgotten the inventory of Offensive Coordinators here that the young QB had to learn and deprogram? And people act like if THIS franchise just drafted Lamar Jackson he'd be in 1 piece ALLOWED to do the stuff seemingly only Baltimore was interested in letting him do as soon as they submitted their draft selection of him. Hue Jackson would have put him on a leash saying QBs aren't RBs in this league; and he'd have more broken bones than Evil Kaneival. Tim Couch had a 64 yard run vrs the Rams as a rookie right before halftime thinking Chris Palmer was going to compliment him before Palmer tore him a new ass. Meanwhile in Philly, Donovan McNabb was playing for an offensive minded HC and OC that allowed him the type of liberties with his feet that Baltimore has done with Lamar. All McNabb did was turn around the team with the worst record in 98 with 9 playoff appearances, 5 NFC Championship Games and 1 SB. in his 1st 10 or 11 seasons. SOME of this is the luck of going to the right MIND/system. It makes no sense to me if you draft anyone only to Dr Frankenstein all his gifts into something he isn't wired to do.
How come when teams are easily getting outside of Myles Garrett off the edge - we're/he's only blaming the Coordinator and teammates? I LOVE sacks but not at the expense of giving up contain. We're not stopping shit with film going viral on how to beat it. And when they lined up Clowney next to Garrett - it was the easiest TD Houston scored all year. The good news was Tyrod pulled a hammy so the Browns could come back and win.
I've seen what this team is capable of with Baker enough to know I'm not interested in returning to the QB t-shirt culture everyone once bitched about (especially me) before Baker arrived. It's up to the FO and coaching staff to get this stuff worked out. As I was leading to, upgrading the WR position would be an ideal place to start. Not many opponents are going to have trouble winning their matchups against our guys on the perimeter. Let's hope that doesn't include the winless Lions today...
Agreed! Now back to the reason I brought up the WR position - are we sure it's JUST Baker we need to upgrade asap? And I'm impressed with how many people think Lamar Jackson is hard to stop; especially considering he wasn't exactly Josh Rosen PRE-draft. The convenient out for all of Rosen's pre-draft fans was "bad football team - poor guy just didn't have a chance." Sticking with such a precedent, what was the record of the team that drafted Baker?
I've seen enough of the guy to know what he CAN do even as a wide eyed rookie entering his 1st game with a 14 point deficit and leading the Browns to victory. Just to recap, the 0-16 team started his rookie year 0-1-1. Still a worthless team without him on the field. Next thing you know the team went 7-7 in the games he played; and he's setting a TD passing record for rookie QBs on a franchise with a record of 1-32-1 in the 34 games before he 1st entered the field. In 2019, the Browns lost both starting Tackles in the opener plus the 1st backup at LT all in 1 game vrs TN. That season became a necessary backward step that the FO used to draft Wills and sign Conklin as priorities to the 2020 offense that won 11 regular season games + 1 playoff game where the Browns score 48 points AT PITTSBURGH. So let's get rid of Baker so we can return to watching this franchise draft QBs the way it has done since 1999? It's been THAT fun has it?
More math? Have we forgotten the inventory of Offensive Coordinators here that the young QB had to learn and deprogram? And people act like if THIS franchise just drafted Lamar Jackson he'd be in 1 piece ALLOWED to do the stuff seemingly only Baltimore was interested in letting him do as soon as they submitted their draft selection of him. Hue Jackson would have put him on a leash saying QBs aren't RBs in this league; and he'd have more broken bones than Evil Kaneival. Tim Couch had a 64 yard run vrs the Rams as a rookie right before halftime thinking Chris Palmer was going to compliment him before Palmer tore him a new ass. Meanwhile in Philly, Donovan McNabb was playing for an offensive minded HC and OC that allowed him the type of liberties with his feet that Baltimore has done with Lamar. All McNabb did was turn around the team with the worst record in 98 with 9 playoff appearances, 5 NFC Championship Games and 1 SB. in his 1st 10 or 11 seasons. SOME of this is the luck of going to the right MIND/system. It makes no sense to me if you draft anyone only to Dr Frankenstein all his gifts into something he isn't wired to do.
How come when teams are easily getting outside of Myles Garrett off the edge - we're/he's only blaming the Coordinator and teammates? I LOVE sacks but not at the expense of giving up contain. We're not stopping shit with film going viral on how to beat it. And when they lined up Clowney next to Garrett - it was the easiest TD Houston scored all year. The good news was Tyrod pulled a hammy so the Browns could come back and win.
I've seen what this team is capable of with Baker enough to know I'm not interested in returning to the QB t-shirt culture everyone once bitched about (especially me) before Baker arrived. It's up to the FO and coaching staff to get this stuff worked out. As I was leading to, upgrading the WR position would be an ideal place to start. Not many opponents are going to have trouble winning their matchups against our guys on the perimeter. Let's hope that doesn't include the winless Lions today...
Generally you and I have great discussion. But if you think what McNabb did with his feet - as a mobile passer who ran only to throw, is ANYTHING like the stucture that the Ravens HAD* to implement with Lamar as an offensive supplement, then we really need to sit down for a long ass chat.
The issues many Browns fans aren't recognizing is a simple one. The Browns have HAD some talent on these rosters in current and previous years. The QB play was just so damn dismal that it didn't allow them to be even remotely competitive. Until a local boy like Brian Hoyer and Young Shanahan showed that you only need a slightly-above average QB to actually win some games and allow the rest of said talent and quality coaching to take you to 8-8 (ish) Imagine if Jim O neil isn't the defensive coordinator in 2014 and we draft Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald or Mike Evans? (like I wanted) That squad would have gone to the wildcard with Brian Hoyer at QB.
Another example would be the season before Alex Smith arrived in KC. 1 win to what...? 9-10 wins? Not spectacular QB play, but just good enough at the most important position on the field.
Baker himself isn't solely responsible for the Browns turn-around so much as it an infusion of young talent and decent, NOT great, coaches. The Bengals had playoff appearances with Andy Dalton and Marvin Lewis for Christ sake.
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I’m not a Baker hater or Baker apologist, but to me, he needs more things in his favor to succeed then most QB’S.
He doesn’t seem to be able to put the team on his back. I want him to be that, because, I sure don’t want the losers we have had for most of the last 22 years, but he’s not that at this point in his career
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
How many games until the bye ? 🥷
Just one more loss to the Rat Birds assuming he plays...
baker did not speak to reporters after todays game
wonder why ?
Maker Bayfield... You had another SHITTY game. OWN IT. Be thankful it was against the crappy Lions, playing their new QB- or you would have chalked up another embarrassing loss.
Note to Stefanski- just stop playing the guy when he's obviously crippled.
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I'm going to lose my mind if Baker is starting against the Ravens.
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Watching how Burrow operates from empty vs Baker is... telling. Night and day.
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