Baker Mayfield
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Again, Baker was just terrible tonight. He holds onto the ball way too long, and he's not good enough to scramble and make a play. He had the ball twice at the end of the game - a three and out and on the last drive he couldn't even pick up a first down. Baker sucks, period.
It's not the play calling - the play callers are limited by having a bottom 10 quarterback. There is only so much they can do. The Landry trick play was stupid. But not much you can do with a quarterback who has no athletic ability and holds onto the ball longer than anyone I've ever seen.
The Ravens stacked the box with 8 all night to stop Chubb and Hunt - it worked. They dared Baker to beat them. Baker could not. The Browns defense GIFTED Baker 4 interceptions and he comes up with 10 points. I get it, we're stuck with him this year and maybe next year if we can't make a trade for Rodgers/Watson/Wilson. I appreciate his toughness, but this is the most talented roster we've had in 30 years and Baker just isn't the answer. The Browns better scout qb's hard in this off-season (I'm sure they already are).
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Again, Baker was just terrible tonight. He holds onto the ball way too long, and he's not good enough to scramble and make a play. He had the ball twice at the end of the game - a three and out and on the last drive he couldn't even pick up a first down. Baker sucks, period.
It's not the play calling - the play callers are limited by having a bottom 10 quarterback. There is only so much they can do. The Landry trick play was stupid. But not much you can do with a quarterback who has no athletic ability and holds onto the ball longer than anyone I've ever seen.
The Ravens stacked the box with 8 all night to stop Chubb and Hunt - it worked. They dared Baker to beat them. Baker could not. The Browns defense GIFTED Baker 4 interceptions and he comes up with 10 points. I get it, we're stuck with him this year and maybe next year if we can't make a trade for Rodgers/Watson/Wilson. I appreciate his toughness, but this is the most talented roster we've had in 30 years and Baker just isn't the answer. The Browns better scout qb's hard in this off-season (I'm sure they already are).
He holds onto the ball way too long, and he's not good enough to scramble and make a play. He had the ball twice at the end of the game - a three and out and on the last drive he couldn't even pick up a first down. Baker sucks, period.
It's hard to do anything when you're banged up, you have no receivers besides Landry and nobody is getting open, and the other team is stuffing the run. I'm not making excuses for him but what else would you like him to do?
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He holds onto the ball way too long, and he's not good enough to scramble and make a play. He had the ball twice at the end of the game - a three and out and on the last drive he couldn't even pick up a first down. Baker sucks, period.
It's hard to do anything when you're banged up, you have no receivers besides Landry and nobody is getting open, and the other team is stuffing the run. I'm not making excuses for him but what else would you like him to do?
It's hard to do anything when you're banged up, you have no receivers besides Landry and nobody is getting open, and the other team is stuffing the run. I'm not making excuses for him but what else would you like him to do?
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
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It's hard to do anything when you're banged up, you have no receivers besides Landry and nobody is getting open, and the other team is stuffing the run. I'm not making excuses for him but what else would you like him to do?
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
Hey Baker, you just lost another $5 million off of your next contract trying to be a wounded stud hero...
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It's hard to do anything when you're banged up, you have no receivers besides Landry and nobody is getting open, and the other team is stuffing the run. I'm not making excuses for him but what else would you like him to do?
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
Yeah Odell lost
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On another note none of the QBs coming out of college look all that great.
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I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
Hey Baker, you just lost another $5 million off of your next contract trying to be a wounded stud hero...
Hey Baker, you just lost another $5 million off of your next contract trying to be a wounded stud hero...
Time to give up on the season. Should have been done weeks ago. Probably too late to try to trade all our decent players but what the heck. Lose the next few games move up in the draft, fire Stefansky and start all over. Great. Win win for the haters.
WSS
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On another note none of the QBs coming out of college look all that great.
On another note none of the QBs coming out of college look all that great.
Which is why barring a blockbuster trade, it's Mayfield next year as well. As much I meant what I said in the game thread, it's also impossible to deny the dude is hanging on by a thread in terms of health. Candidly, it's almost criminal for Stefanski to trot him out there. Unless somehow Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers are willing to walk through the door, there's by far no better option.
With that being said, though, I thought the talking heads made a good call this morning. It's time to upgrade the backup QB spot as well. If you're watching Mayfield literally hobble and struggle to survive out there and don't trust putting your backup in, that's a big problem. There's a lot of good names on one year deals currently, and it needs to be addressed amongst the other issues.
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On another note none of the QBs coming out of college look all that great.
On another note none of the QBs coming out of college look all that great.
And if there were they would cost a first, a high 1st. Too late for that; had we listened to the haters from game number one we could have tanked the season again.
WSS
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On another note none of the QBs coming out of college look all that great.
Which is why barring a blockbuster trade, it's Mayfield next year as well. As much I meant what I said in the game thread, it's also impossible to deny the dude is hanging on by a thread in terms of health. Candidly, it's almost criminal for Stefanski to trot him out there. Unless somehow Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers are willing to walk through the door, there's by far no better option.
With that being said, though, I thought the talking heads made a good call this morning. It's time to upgrade the backup QB spot as well. If you're watching Mayfield literally hobble and struggle to survive out there and don't trust putting your backup in, that's a big problem. There's a lot of good names on one year deals currently, and it needs to be addressed amongst the other issues.
Which is why barring a blockbuster trade, it's Mayfield next year as well. As much I meant what I said in the game thread, it's also impossible to deny the dude is hanging on by a thread in terms of health. Candidly, it's almost criminal for Stefanski to trot him out there. Unless somehow Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers are willing to walk through the door, there's by far no better option.
With that being said, though, I thought the talking heads made a good call this morning. It's time to upgrade the backup QB spot as well. If you're watching Mayfield literally hobble and struggle to survive out there and don't trust putting your backup in, that's a big problem. There's a lot of good names on one year deals currently, and it needs to be addressed amongst the other issues.
I agree with you. There currently isn't a better option either in the draft or free agency for the starting quarterback. I'd give Mayfield the next game, were I Stefanski, and if they lose which I expect they will Mayfield's season ends there. Try to get him right for next season. But unfortunately it looks to me like Baker is just one of those guys who accumulates injuries.
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Which is why barring a blockbuster trade, it's Mayfield next year as well. As much I meant what I said in the game thread, it's also impossible to deny the dude is hanging on by a thread in terms of health. Candidly, it's almost criminal for Stefanski to trot him out there. Unless somehow Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers are willing to walk through the door, there's by far no better option.
With that being said, though, I thought the talking heads made a good call this morning. It's time to upgrade the backup QB spot as well. If you're watching Mayfield literally hobble and struggle to survive out there and don't trust putting your backup in, that's a big problem. There's a lot of good names on one year deals currently, and it needs to be addressed amongst the other issues.
I agree with you. There currently isn't a better option either in the draft or free agency for the starting quarterback. I'd give Mayfield the next game, were I Stefanski, and if they lose which I expect they will Mayfield's season ends there. Try to get him right for next season. But unfortunately it looks to me like Baker is just one of those guys who accumulates injuries.
I agree with you. There currently isn't a better option either in the draft or free agency for the starting quarterback. I'd give Mayfield the next game, were I Stefanski, and if they lose which I expect they will Mayfield's season ends there. Try to get him right for next season. But unfortunately it looks to me like Baker is just one of those guys who accumulates injuries.
Only one injury requires attention, the shoulder. The others are run of the mill slings and arrows of outrageous fortune that flesh is err to.
WSS
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The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
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The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
For sure. When you consider that Baker is literally like the dude from Monty Python (it's only a flesh wound!) and these positions have had starters miss significant weeks:
-LT
-RT
-DB (all over the place)
-LB
-RB
-WR
It's actually a testament that this team is 6-6. Hard not to feel the biggest "what if" of this season is putting Mayfield on IR to come back after the bye (maybe starting at the Denver game). Hard to feel like this team would be worse than 6-6, that's for sure. With all that being said though, I do still have the biggest concerns about Mayfield winning games for us. Maybe that isn't the dude he will be in our offense, but that game last night was so strikingly similar to the KC playoff loss. Good field position with 8 ish minutes and couldn't get it done. Hard not to feel that becoming a big time pattern.
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The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
For sure. When you consider that Baker is literally like the dude from Monty Python (it's only a flesh wound!) and these positions have had starters miss significant weeks:
-LT
-RT
-DB (all over the place)
-LB
-RB
-WR
It's actually a testament that this team is 6-6. Hard not to feel the biggest "what if" of this season is putting Mayfield on IR to come back after the bye (maybe starting at the Denver game). Hard to feel like this team would be worse than 6-6, that's for sure. With all that being said though, I do still have the biggest concerns about Mayfield winning games for us. Maybe that isn't the dude he will be in our offense, but that game last night was so strikingly similar to the KC playoff loss. Good field position with 8 ish minutes and couldn't get it done. Hard not to feel that becoming a big time pattern.
For sure. When you consider that Baker is literally like the dude from Monty Python (it's only a flesh wound!) and these positions have had starters miss significant weeks:
-LT
-RT
-DB (all over the place)
-LB
-RB
-WR
It's actually a testament that this team is 6-6. Hard not to feel the biggest "what if" of this season is putting Mayfield on IR to come back after the bye (maybe starting at the Denver game). Hard to feel like this team would be worse than 6-6, that's for sure. With all that being said though, I do still have the biggest concerns about Mayfield winning games for us. Maybe that isn't the dude he will be in our offense, but that game last night was so strikingly similar to the KC playoff loss. Good field position with 8 ish minutes and couldn't get it done. Hard not to feel that becoming a big time pattern.
I did not care for Stefanski's game plan last night. We've got 2 world class running backs and a damn good 3rd one. Yeah I know they stacked the box but the game was not anywhere close to a blowout. Keep rotating backs and smashing into those guys until they're blown up.
Or, you know, have your injured quarterback throw 40 times.
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It's hard to do anything when you're banged up, you have no receivers besides Landry and nobody is getting open, and the other team is stuffing the run. I'm not making excuses for him but what else would you like him to do?
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
Did you see the Rams lost again?….WITH OBJ?
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friendly deals...sometimes need friendly reminders..
When it comes to their QB, the Browns can do one of three things.
1) The first thing is they can let him play until the end of his contract, which goes through the 2022 season, and then let him walk in free agency.
*Baker Mayfield is playing on the last year of his rookie deal. A Whopping $920K.. The Browns paid Mayfield's 5th year option, that comes with a cap hit of not chump change of 18,850/ million dollars playing cost in 2022.. Let that sink in a moment... Andrew Berry was not born in a Holiday Inn express, to eat large cap numbers for his breakfast..
2) Another thing they could do is put him on the trade block and see what the market for Mayfield is. Then, if there are any offers the Browns are happy with, they can pull the trigger. (Baker's 5th year option contract carries to new team.. fair enough?)
Jimmy G.. D.Watson & a far list of unknowns would be considered.. stay tuned..
Fresh list of QB draftees? https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2022-nfl-draft-top-qbs-college-football-november-29 my concerns lean more towards the sideline views? of players being split of who's the real team leader..have ya seen these lost looks? not a good look,imho..
3) The third option will be to play him through his contract and then sometime in the 2023 season the Browns will give Baker Mayfield a contract extension. ( i don't see franchise tag like most.. A deal gets done or Andrew Berry will simply move on )
"I still think -- actually, I know -- that the Browns would bring Mayfield back for the right price," Graziano wrote. "I don't think they want to pay him at Patrick Mahomes/Josh Allen levels, but they believe they can win with him and would pay him in the mid-to-high $30 millions per year to stick around." (32/34M with built in team/player incentives, imho)
As is the case in most contract negotiations, the dealings between Mayfield and the Browns will likely be a matter of dollars and sense. While there's little evidence to suggest that Mayfield deserves a deal similar to Mahomes (10 years, $450 million) or Allen (six years, $258 million), Cleveland also has plenty of incentive to do whatever it takes to sign its franchise quarterback to a long term deal.
Currently, Mayfield remains under contract with the Browns through the end of the 2022 season. On multiple occasions over the course of the past year, the 26-year-old signal-caller has downplayed the urgency of getting a new deal done.
friends in low places... I'll continue to just play fan... Go Browns !
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The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded. Word !
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
any news on what Richard LeCounte did? not sure if he's looking around Kev's or Joe's dawghouse? seems covid team rule related? just a hunch
I thought Harrison(74 snaps) played slightly better than his last 2 games.. He quietly led the team in tackles with 14.. JOK/Walker behind with 12 each..
I really struggle with the amount of reps that Walker(68) gets.. Malcolm Smith(9) repeats bigger plays..We won games with M.Smith taking most of Walker's reps while Walker was injured.. What could be so wrong with cutting Walker's reps to 45/50? Smith's increased 20'ish can't be much worse? Can they? where Mack Wilson (4) is a waste on score sheets..zero stats again
JOK played Walker's same 68 snaps of a possible 81... but, I'd love to know the yardage cost of those 13 plays JOK did not play?
Not the right topic to discuss these matters..but this defense deserved better than what our Offense gave them.. Credit Woods...our defensive units played balls to the walls & deserved a better result.. hence. I'm still thinking less Walker & more Smith might deserve a peek next game..
Christ.. ya Hold Lamar under 80 yards rushing with 4 picks...maybe 3 other teams would find a way to lose this game? Monday's suck being one of those .. ?
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The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
Of course I was being facetious, good eye?
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
Again given the fact that Baker's injury will need months to heal after the surgery The only reason to sit him now would be for the rest of the season and beyond. That means you or whoever thinks that Case Keenum gives us the best chance to win from here out.. Could be. If so Keenum is your man going forward.
If not then it's a purely prophylactic move move and they are signing off on the rest of the season.
WSS
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It's hard to do anything when you're banged up, you have no receivers besides Landry and nobody is getting open, and the other team is stuffing the run. I'm not making excuses for him but what else would you like him to do?
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1
How'd that work out for the Rams?
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