Baker Mayfield
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The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
Of course I was being facetious, good eye?
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
Again given the fact that Baker's injury will need months to heal after the surgery The only reason to sit him now would be for the rest of the season and beyond. That means you or whoever thinks that Case Keenum gives us the best chance to win from here out.. Could be. If so Keenum is your man going forward.
If not then it's a purely prophylactic move move and they are signing off on the rest of the season.
WSS
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It's hard to do anything when you're banged up, you have no receivers besides Landry and nobody is getting open, and the other team is stuffing the run. I'm not making excuses for him but what else would you like him to do?
I'd like Baker to be competent - get rid of the ball, make accurate throws, be smart, if it's third or fourth down actually throw past the first down marker. These are things we can't make excuses for.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1 - with two weeks of knowing the playbook. Baker had a legit WR and Baker couldn't do anything with him.
Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1
How'd that work out for the Rams?
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The problem is the coaching staff believes that Baker gives this team the best shot to win and they have followed up with game plans that seemingly believe he’s fine and well (and he’s not). Not a fireable offense this season. And it’s problematic because he may have health issues that will not allow him to push the ball downfield and put the ball on point regularly. He’s got a strong arm and he’s probably middle of the pack with accuracy- but I tend to believe the strong arm and accuracy have been impacted by the injury.
But hurt or not hurt, I don’t think he reads coverages and processes well enough at this level.
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The problem is the coaching staff believes that Baker gives this team the best shot to win and they have followed up with game plans that seemingly believe he’s fine and well (and he’s not). Not a fireable offense this season. And it’s problematic because he may have health issues that will not allow him to push the ball downfield and put the ball on point regularly. He’s got a strong arm and he’s probably middle of the pack with accuracy- but I tend to believe the strong arm and accuracy have been impacted by the injury.
But hurt or not hurt, I don’t think he reads coverages and processes well enough at this level.
Not a fireable offense
But it is a fireable offense. The handling of Baker, letting the OBJ situation get out of hand and leading to his outright release, the many penalties we have incurred the past few games including last night's debacle.
These are things coaches are meant to curtail, at least good ones do.
SHOW OF HANDS
Who thinks we could have won last night's game with a healthy Keenum with that defensive showing??
Good coaches make tough decisions.
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Not a fireable offense
But it is a fireable offense. The handling of Baker, letting the OBJ situation get out of hand and leading to his outright release, the many penalties we have incurred the past few games including last night's debacle.
These are things coaches are meant to curtail, at least good ones do.
SHOW OF HANDS
Who thinks we could have won last night's game with a healthy Keenum with that defensive showing??
Good coaches make tough decisions.
But it is a fireable offense. The handling of Baker, letting the OBJ situation get out of hand and leading to his outright release, the many penalties we have incurred the past few games including last night's debacle.
These are things coaches are meant to curtail, at least good ones do.
SHOW OF HANDS
Who thinks we could have won last night's game with a healthy Keenum with that defensive showing??
Good coaches make tough decisions.
Case Keenum.. Please... Our WR's are PURE SHIT!
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Did you see what Odell did today with a competent QB today? 5/81/1
How'd that work out for the Rams?
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It worked out well. The Rams ended up scoring 28 points. And their defense only gave them one turnover, unlike the four gifted to Baker last night. Another idiot to add to my ignore list.
Fine. Buh bye?
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The notion this team and coaching staff needs "blown up" is Retarded.
Of course I was being facetious, good eye?
I have pointed out Bakers struggles as I've mentioned about other players like Harrison and Walker. But I will also tell you this - not all is lost. We're not where we were 5 years ago, there is talent on this roster.
Again given the fact that Baker's injury will need months to heal after the surgery The only reason to sit him now would be for the rest of the season and beyond. That means you or whoever thinks that Case Keenum gives us the best chance to win from here out.. Could be. If so Keenum is your man going forward.
If not then it's a purely prophylactic move move and they are signing off on the rest of the season.
WSS
The only reason to sit him now would be for the rest of the season and beyond. That means you or whoever thinks that Case Keenum gives us the best chance to win from here out.. Could be. If so Keenum is your man going forward.
If not then it's a purely prophylactic move and they are signing off on the rest of the season.
WSS
Not at all. Continuing to play an injured QB who is further regressing because of said injury, and any more shots later in the season will likely delay his recovery period.... is a prophylactic move.
Keenum isn't "my guy". But he presents the most logical solution for the time being that keeps this team competitive without having the injury risk Baker is currently dealing with. We aren't far removed from the days of hardly beating anyone. This team has won games in spite of QB play this season, that trend can continue.
Baker playing is just spinning wheels for the sake of "toughness". I admire his grit, I truly do. But at some point we have to say to ourselves we need to shut it down for the sake of the betterment on long term health. After all, is that not what we're here for? Baker would be ideal as the Browns long-term QB solution, no? We risk making that evaluation even more difficult by continuing to walk him out there.
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Not a fireable offense
But it is a fireable offense. The handling of Baker, letting the OBJ situation get out of hand and leading to his outright release, the many penalties we have incurred the past few games including last night's debacle.
These are things coaches are meant to curtail, at least good ones do.
SHOW OF HANDS
Who thinks we could have won last night's game with a healthy Keenum with that defensive showing??
Good coaches make tough decisions.
But it is a fireable offense. The handling of Baker, letting the OBJ situation get out of hand and leading to his outright release, the many penalties we have incurred the past few games including last night's debacle.
These are things coaches are meant to curtail, at least good ones do.
SHOW OF HANDS
Who thinks we could have won last night's game with a healthy Keenum with that defensive showing??
Good coaches make tough decisions.
So Coach of the Year last year with injuries galore will get fired end of season?
I don’t expect perfection especially under the circumstances this year but he’s had some games where play calling have been brought into question, players speaking out about the DC and some personnel moves that many don’t agree with but the track record of these issues isn’t extensive and I don’t think he’s lost control of the team.we have some players that will be shown the door I think a few coaches too, but the HC is not one of them in 2021-2022 football year.
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I would have started Keenum to keep Baker from getting more than one surgery required for next year....
but Keenum would not have helped them win that game.
Same wr's, same field goal kicker....
nope.
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The only reason to sit him now would be for the rest of the season and beyond. That means you or whoever thinks that Case Keenum gives us the best chance to win from here out.. Could be. If so Keenum is your man going forward.
If not then it's a purely prophylactic move and they are signing off on the rest of the season.
WSS
Not at all. Continuing to play an injured QB who is further regressing because of said injury, and any more shots later in the season will likely delay his recovery period.... is a prophylactic move.
Keenum isn't "my guy". But he presents the most logical solution for the time being that keeps this team competitive without having the injury risk Baker is currently dealing with. We aren't far removed from the days of hardly beating anyone. This team has won games in spite of QB play this season, that trend can continue.
Baker playing is just spinning wheels for the sake of "toughness". I admire his grit, I truly do. But at some point we have to say to ourselves we need to shut it down for the sake of the betterment on long term health. After all, is that not what we're here for? Baker would be ideal as the Browns long-term QB solution, no? We risk making that evaluation even more difficult by continuing to walk him out there.
Not at all. Continuing to play an injured QB who is further regressing because of said injury, and any more shots later in the season will likely delay his recovery period.... is a prophylactic move.
Keenum isn't "my guy". But he presents the most logical solution for the time being that keeps this team competitive without having the injury risk Baker is currently dealing with. We aren't far removed from the days of hardly beating anyone. This team has won games in spite of QB play this season, that trend can continue.
Baker playing is just spinning wheels for the sake of "toughness". I admire his grit, I truly do. But at some point we have to say to ourselves we need to shut it down for the sake of the betterment on long term health. After all, is that not what we're here for? Baker would be ideal as the Browns long-term QB solution, no? We risk making that evaluation even more difficult by continuing to walk him out there.
Well in fairness, as usual, the discussion boils down to fact not actually in evidence. The shoulder injury won't be better until it's repaired surgically. So the buy week doesn't much matter.
Question one. How much does it actually affect his play.
Question 2 what are the odds of the injury becoming worse or irreparable if he plays out the season? How much does the brace protect him?
Question 3 . At this point does Keenum actually give them the better chance to win? And if Baker's shoulder is repaired now how does that affect are already slim chances at the playoffs?
And since nobody knows those answers I guess it's a crap shoot. I would hope somebody in the building making more money than I do has a better grip on it.
WSS
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Not at all. Continuing to play an injured QB who is further regressing because of said injury, and any more shots later in the season will likely delay his recovery period.... is a prophylactic move.
Keenum isn't "my guy". But he presents the most logical solution for the time being that keeps this team competitive without having the injury risk Baker is currently dealing with. We aren't far removed from the days of hardly beating anyone. This team has won games in spite of QB play this season, that trend can continue.
Baker playing is just spinning wheels for the sake of "toughness". I admire his grit, I truly do. But at some point we have to say to ourselves we need to shut it down for the sake of the betterment on long term health. After all, is that not what we're here for? Baker would be ideal as the Browns long-term QB solution, no? We risk making that evaluation even more difficult by continuing to walk him out there.
Well in fairness, as usual, the discussion boils down to fact not actually in evidence. The shoulder injury won't be better until it's repaired surgically. So the buy week doesn't much matter.
Question one. How much does it actually affect his play.
Question 2 what are the odds of the injury becoming worse or irreparable if he plays out the season? How much does the brace protect him?
Question 3 . At this point does Keenum actually give them the better chance to win? And if Baker's shoulder is repaired now how does that affect are already slim chances at the playoffs?
And since nobody knows those answers I guess it's a crap shoot. I would hope somebody in the building making more money than I do has a better grip on it.
WSS
Well in fairness, as usual, the discussion boils down to fact not actually in evidence. The shoulder injury won't be better until it's repaired surgically. So the buy week doesn't much matter.
Question one. How much does it actually affect his play.
Question 2 what are the odds of the injury becoming worse or irreparable if he plays out the season? How much does the brace protect him?
Question 3 . At this point does Keenum actually give them the better chance to win? And if Baker's shoulder is repaired now how does that affect are already slim chances at the playoffs?
And since nobody knows those answers I guess it's a crap shoot. I would hope somebody in the building making more money than I do has a better grip on it.
WSS
If the Browns lose the next game vs Baltimore, they would fall to 6-7 and pretty much would be eliminated from the AFC title contention.
They should shut Baker down and get him that surgery the following day. God forbid he keeps going out there for no reason and get his knee blown out on some suicide mission, and torpedo next season too.
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Stefanski SHOULD HAVE sat Baker for last night's game so he would have two full weeks to rest and heal. Now, he's taken more of a beating and will only have a week to get himself right.
I for the life of me can't understand why Stefanski allows this to continue.
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Stefanski SHOULD HAVE sat Baker for last night's game so he would have two full weeks to rest and heal. Now, he's taken more of a beating and will only have a week to get himself right.
I for the life of me can't understand why Stefanski allows this to continue.
Stefanski SHOULD HAVE sat Baker for last night's game so he would have two full weeks to rest and heal. Now, he's taken more of a beating and will only have a week to get himself right.
I for the life of me can't understand why Stefanski allows this to continue.
He has a torn labrum.
That isn't getting better without surgery. No amount of rest is helping it.
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Season is over rest him up so we can trade him and sit back and watch our next QB tonight
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Season is over rest him up so we can trade him and sit back and watch our next QB tonight
Season is over rest him up so we can trade him and sit back and watch our next QB tonight
That's a bold take.
I like it, based solely on its boldness.
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Stefanski SHOULD HAVE sat Baker for last night's game so he would have two full weeks to rest and heal. Now, he's taken more of a beating and will only have a week to get himself right.
I for the life of me can't understand why Stefanski allows this to continue.
Stefanski SHOULD HAVE sat Baker for last night's game so he would have two full weeks to rest and heal. Now, he's taken more of a beating and will only have a week to get himself right.
I for the life of me can't understand why Stefanski allows this to continue.
It's not rocket science neo. He thought that Baker Mayfield at 80% was probably superior to case Keenum at 100% nothing but it percent nothing more nothing less.
And for you Dutchman, sure they lose the next game or 2 to what the fuck. Put in the scrubs; mail it in. Some people might respect fighting hard to win to the end, but not everybody.
Good thing Sylvester Stallone didn't write that ending into rocky.
WSS
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Stefanski SHOULD HAVE sat Baker for last night's game so he would have two full weeks to rest and heal. Now, he's taken more of a beating and will only have a week to get himself right.
I for the life of me can't understand why Stefanski allows this to continue.
It's not rocket science neo. He thought that Baker Mayfield at 80% was probably superior to case Keenum at 100% nothing but it percent nothing more nothing less.
And for you Dutchman, sure they lose the next game or 2 to what the fuck. Put in the scrubs; mail it in. Some people might respect fighting hard to win to the end, but not everybody.
Good thing Sylvester Stallone didn't write that ending into rocky.
WSS
It's not rocket science neo. He thought that Baker Mayfield at 80% was probably superior to case Keenum at 100% nothing but it percent nothing more nothing less.
And for you Dutchman, sure they lose the next game or 2 to what the fuck. Put in the scrubs; mail it in. Some people might respect fighting hard to win to the end, but not everybody.
Good thing Sylvester Stallone didn't write that ending into rocky.
WSS
Oh please.
Baker has been producing next to nothing for weeks now, he's obviously injured, and moral victories don't mean shit. All you boomers on here circle jerking to Baker getting the shit kicked out of him and playing like shit in the process for some weird sadomasochist fetish you all have is just plain weird.
Get him healthy and ready to roll for 2022.
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Stefanski SHOULD HAVE sat Baker for last night's game so he would have two full weeks to rest and heal. Now, he's taken more of a beating and will only have a week to get himself right.
I for the life of me can't understand why Stefanski allows this to continue.
He has a torn labrum.
That isn't getting better without surgery. No amount of rest is helping it.
He has a torn labrum.
That isn't getting better without surgery. No amount of rest is helping it.
I understand that his shoulder isn't going to heal in two weeks or without surgery. But if Stef insists on playing him and some people insist that Baker is better 80% than Keenum at 100%, then why not have him at 90% or better? His other injuries may heal.
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It's not rocket science neo. He thought that Baker Mayfield at 80% was probably superior to case Keenum at 100% nothing but it percent nothing more nothing less.
And for you Dutchman, sure they lose the next game or 2 to what the fuck. Put in the scrubs; mail it in. Some people might respect fighting hard to win to the end, but not everybody.
Good thing Sylvester Stallone didn't write that ending into rocky.
WSS
Oh please.
Baker has been producing next to nothing for weeks now, he's obviously injured, and moral victories don't mean shit. All you boomers on here circle jerking to Baker getting the shit kicked out of him and playing like shit in the process for some weird sadomasochist fetish you all have is just plain weird.
Get him healthy and ready to roll for 2022.
Get him healthy and ready to roll for 2022.
I fully agree but Stef doesn't see it that way. I say get him a healthy as you can so we can finish strong.
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