Official Browns at Ravens Game Thread: Nov 28

[mjp28]

@nickers said:

And you are a typical phony bullshitter...

I was going to suggest that you two get a room....... but I know a kidder when I see one.    

Oh well no BROWNS game on now "we"  have to talk about something.  

GO BROWNS !

[Orion]

@atom said:

i mean fuck are D had a helluva game yesterday even bakers stats were better than lamars and in fact he throws up 2 pass's that were just prayers and both got caught one for a t.d 

...in taking a step back......we've come a long way......we used to get trounced by everyone....we expected it....we knew it was going to happen.....and now, we're pissed that we lost to one of the best teams in the league.  We have come a long way.  But there is more work to do.  We have to replace OBJ with a true #1 receiver...and probably not stop there with the WR room.

We're pretty much done for this year.  We almost made it to December......but it used to be October, when we were 'done for this year'.

[Unsympathetic]

Not happy to be the first to post this but let's face realities.

Conklin out for season with patella tendon tear, surgery is scheduled

Patella tendon attaches kneecap to shinbone.. tearing this is one of the worst injuries.  This is career-threatening for Conklin.

[mjp28]

@unsympathetic said:

Not happy to be the first to post this but let's face realities.

Conklin out for season with patella tendon tear, surgery is scheduled

Patella tendon attaches kneecap to shinbone.. tearing this is one of the worst injuries.  This is career-threatening for Conklin.

Not good for anyone anytime.

[BernieSuperBowl2]

@unsympathetic said:

Not happy to be the first to post this but let's face realities.

Conklin out for season with patella tendon tear, surgery is scheduled

Patella tendon attaches kneecap to shinbone.. tearing this is one of the worst injuries.  This is career-threatening for Conklin.

Prayers for Conklin, hopefully he makes it back, but as said above this is a really bad injury. Remember LeCharles Bentley? The Pro Bowl center/guard who signed with the Browns, tore his patellar tendon and never played football again. A staph infection was involved, but he was only 26 at the time. I had to dig it up on wikipedia as a refresher: 

"Bentley signed with the Cleveland Browns in 2006,^[5] and was regarded by ESPN as the top-rated free agent. However, Bentley tore his patellar tendon on the first play of the team's first 11-on-11 training camp session on July 27, and missed the entire 2006 season.^[5] He underwent four total operations, including two to clean out a staph infection that ate away at the tendon, in addition to a virus that became severe enough that doctors considered amputating his leg.^[6]

ESPN reported on July 23, 2007 that Bentley had been cleared to play and would be reporting to training camp. Bentley said that his knee was "70 percent" and thought it would improve upon the start of the 2007 campaign,^[7] but he would again miss the entire season. In December, the Browns reduced Bentley's $36-million contract from six years to three and his salary to the NFL minimum $605,000, with incentives to reach $4 million.^{[citation needed]}

On June 10, 2008, nearly two years after his injury, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that Bentley had passed his team physical and was cleared to return to the practice field,^[8] but the following day, the Browns granted his request to be released.^[9]

Upon his release, teams such as Buffalo, Cincinnati, Miami, Oakland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Francisco and Seattle expressed varying degrees of interest in Bentley.^[10] However, he was not signed to a team for the 2008 season.

After spending the 2008 season out of football, Bentley announced in January 2009 that he was no longer attempting to return to the NFL, and would start a career in Cleveland media."

[hoorta]

@berniesuperbowl2 said:

Sweet jesus, you just don't get it. Yes, we are a run first team and we hope to run the ball 30-40 times a game because we have the best 1-2 punch in the league. Sometimes, the other team's defense is just better and you have to abandon the run and throw because that is what the defense is giving you. We can't throw because our quarterback is a bottom 10 quarterback right now. 

You don't keep running the ball when the Ravens have 2-3 guys swarming Chubb and Hunt at the point of the handoff. 

Well, do you have  a offense that is playing 8 defense in the box all night against you to neutralize Chubb and Hunt Stef?   

@atom said:

so wtf with Hunts dad tweeting that  baker is scared to throw the ball ?

Because it's true?  Baker is sucking, and the boo bird chorus has reached deafening levels.  

[nickers]

@mjp28 said:

I was going to suggest that you two get a room....... but I know a kidder when I see one.    

Oh well no BROWNS game on now "we"  have to talk about something.  

GO BROWNS !

I just call them as I see'um.. Sue me...

[mjp28]

@nickers said:

I just call them as I see'um.. Sue me...

I'm agreeing with you here.  

[Kvoethe]

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

4 INTs and holding Baltimore to 16. Lamar 4 YPC and freeman 3.3 YPC.  I’ll take that effort.

Last time a team won after 4 turnovers...2013

[calfoxwc]

@unsympathetic said:

Not happy to be the first to post this but let's face realities.

Conklin out for season with patella tendon tear, surgery is scheduled

Patella tendon attaches kneecap to shinbone.. tearing this is one of the worst injuries.  This is career-threatening for Conklin.

oh, no. Ultimate weight bearing tendon, I think. Could threaten to end his career depending on how bad, maybe. or not. Violent game. Hope he comes back.

[nickers]

@calfoxwc said:

oh, no. Ultimate weight bearing tendon, I think. Could threaten to end his career depending on how bad, maybe. or not. Violent game. Hope he comes back.

Maybe they rushed him back in too soon.. But I'll say this... Our strength and conditioning program has to be the worst in the league

[gumby73]

@browns-fan-1977 said:

I   bet they march right down the field and score a TD now. Hey if I am wrong i will go away 

@browns-fan-1977 said:

Exactly that is all on the coach he WAS coach of the year now he needs to go he does not have control over this team ,

I went away for a while but I can't stop bitching I will tone it down some 

@browns-fan-1977 said:

Worse D in the NFL by far. We have Myles that is it Clowney has not done jack we have Ward, so we have 2 guys on D and as someone already said we are the laughing stock and most of that comes from having too many men on the field 2 plays in a row and gave them a first, That is on the coach he needs fired after the game 

@browns-fan-1977 said:

Worse D in the NFL now you watch we will go 3 and out or turn it over, We will NOT score a TD this game we will be lucky to get another fg attempt, TBH I hope we get blown out that is the ONLY way they will fire this pathetic coach He is supposed to get these guys ready to play Our d would give up a TD om 4th and goal from the 50 

@browns-fan-1977 said:

I left for a while but seeing this piss poor play my girl told me she didn't want to hear me bitch about it or she will shut it off so I have to cry to you guys 

@browns-fan-1977 said:

I been with the Browns since the 70s I am not going no where I just like to be Negative 

@browns-fan-1977 said:

When have i ever said I was leaving the browns? I never said that in my life, I said I was leaving the board for a few.

I bleed Brown and Orange i been here for red right 88 I was at the game for the Drive I still remember the fumble and the Move so fuck off 

@browns-fan-1977 said:

I never promised I said I would leave and I did leave for most of the  first half, 

Dear mighty footballs Gods ?‍️ 

May we never be seated in the same section as this ___________ . Opposite End-zone's please...

Find yourselves lucky.. I started with over 15 of this ____________ post.. I'll save you from it's* Punter & Kickers post

       

and don't bother replying back...I'll be joining your 'on ignore' fan club..

Welcome Bye Week !

[Dutch Oven]

@nickers said:

Maybe they rushed him back in too soon.. But I'll say this... Our strength and conditioning program has to be the worst in the league

Wasn't he out with an elbow injury? 

[nickers]

@dutch-oven said:

Wasn't he out with an elbow injury? 

Yeah , I think so...

[ATOM]

@nickers said:

Yeah , I think so...

fuck yes he was and he couldnt hold his block and went down hard 

[Unsympathetic]

@gumby73 said:

Dear mighty footballs Gods ?‍️ 

Gathering those posts from multiple pages of this thread is 15 minutes of your life that you'll never get back!

The only thing worse could be the worst pickup line you've ever used or overheard being used.

"Hey, you're a single mom of one.. want to be a single mom of two?"

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

@kvoethe said:

Last time a team won after 4 turnovers...2013

The offense was outmatched. Let’s not forget impact of missing a FG in opening drive. It would be nice to have Phil Dawson these days. 

[Gorka]

@neo said:

Beckham was not a fit. He was a  "me first" guy. This is not the way this team is built. 

That's just wishful thinking 

So him being a "me first guy" is the reason Baker rarely threw to him? 

[gumby73]

@unsympathetic said:

The only thing worse could be the worst pickup line you've ever used or overheard being used.

"Hey, you're a single mom of one.. want to be a single mom of two?"

         do ties still equal like kissing your sister  ?   ? 

Good Morning Pittsburgh !   

[tiamat63]

@mddawg said:

 No we see how shitty our receivers are now that they're drawing the coverage Beckham used to receive.

Odd. 

I could have sworn there were warning signs of that?  Now if I could just put my finger on who dived into just that topic...   Anywho.

I'm rewatching and I like some of the early strategy by Stef and the offensive coaches.   They clearly knew Baltimore was going to go after Baker and force him to win the game.    That first 3rd down conversion was a great call.   I'll explain....

Coaches know Baker is banged up and want to take every precaution in him taking further contact.  There are only a few ways to do that.

- Superior players on the Oline

- Making quick and accurate throws with faster developing concepts/routes.  

- Bottle up pressure and secure the trenches with extra bodies.           Browns choose to the the last one for this particular early 3rd down conversion.

Hoop motions from the trio stack to the backfield on Baker's left.   This puts both our TE's on the field on the same side and to the boundary (short side)

Post snap.

You get a slide protect towards Conklin's side.

Hoop and Njoku secure the edges to Bakers blind while Jed picks up Brandon Williams who was parked at something of a 4i tech.    The wall is built, Baker has a clean pocket with plenty of room to step up and to the left if he has to.      Behind it, the Ravens are sending a 3 Fire.  It's a 5 man pressure (red numbers along the Dline for count) and behind it you get a 3 deep - 3 underneath zone with coverages as I put in yellow.

Beyond just the protection call...   

Stef dials up a trusted friend - a 3 man flood to the field side.  This is Stefanski's bread and butter.  Floods which he'll toss at you from a lot of different formations and personnel groupings.  This is Baker throwing to his right (the far side) with a ton of time.   Something I pointed out in his thread he doesn't do much of (correctly) when he's in 5 man protections, empty or sometimes even with a 5th and check or 6th. 

In order from the yellow numbers.

1 -The 9 (go) clears out the corner

2 - the flat brings down and holds the safety

3 - Juice running the 7 (bench, flag, tons of names) Which he breaks beyond the backer, underneath the cleared out corner, while moving upfield with depth and width to avoid that safety from recovering flat.

And the result is a big early 3rd down conversion

Baker delivers an OK ball in space, Landry makes a nice hands catch and gets a little YAC to go with it.  

Granted I'm only through the first quarter now.  But the early game plan hasn't been all that bad.   I may find a lot more in the remaining 3 quarters that's damning, but I'm enjoying what our offensive coaching staff has put together so far with a beat up QB and without a WR that draws an extra set of eyes on the regular.   

Oh, and for those here wondering why the Browns just didn't slam the ball in more and let Chubb try to create literally anything.... Well....

That would be 10 bodies within 9 yards of the ball.