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Alec BALLdwin... "I didn't pull the trigger"

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  • N Neo

    I don't know why this is getting so much attention,  it's obvious this was an accident. It sucks for the family but he's innocent 100%

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    GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by
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    @neo said:

    I don't know why this is getting so much attention,  it's obvious this was an accident. It sucks for the family but he's innocent 100%

    It's obvious by that gem of a post that you're the one needing attention.

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      If I were a guessing man, ding dong didn’t pull the trigger but dropped the hammer on a single action revolver (pretty sure it was a Western they were filming). If he fumbled with putting the hammer back down it would strike the primer on the round he never knew about.

      The whole situation is a cluster fuck.

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      @logicisforsquares said:

      If I were a guessing man, ding dong didn’t pull the trigger but dropped the hammer on a single action revolver (pretty sure it was a Western they were filming). If he fumbled with putting the hammer back down it would strike the primer on the round he never knew about.

      The whole situation is a cluster fuck.

      It's nothing more than a horrible accident. Feel bad for the family of the departed and Alec. 

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        @logicisforsquares said:

        If I were a guessing man, ding dong didn’t pull the trigger but dropped the hammer on a single action revolver (pretty sure it was a Western they were filming). If he fumbled with putting the hammer back down it would strike the primer on the round he never knew about.

        The whole situation is a cluster fuck.

        It's nothing more than a horrible accident. Feel bad for the family of the departed and Alec. 

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        DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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        @neo said:

        It's nothing more than a horrible accident. Feel bad for the family of the departed and Alec. 

        He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

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          @neo said:

          It's nothing more than a horrible accident. Feel bad for the family of the departed and Alec. 

          He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

          He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

          There are two possibilities 

          1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

          2) the armorer never checked the weapon

          That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

          Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

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          • N Neo

            @diehardbrownsfan said:

            He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

            There are two possibilities 

            1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

            2) the armorer never checked the weapon

            That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

            Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

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            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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            @neo said:

            There are two possibilities 

            1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

            2) the armorer never checked the weapon

            That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

            Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

            Diehard is just trolling. I wouldn't bother responding

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            • N Neo

              I don't know why this is getting so much attention,  it's obvious this was an accident. It sucks for the family but he's innocent 100%

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              @neo said:

              I don't know why this is getting so much attention,  it's obvious this was an accident. It sucks for the family but he's innocent 100%

              Because politics

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                @neo said:

                There are two possibilities 

                1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

                2) the armorer never checked the weapon

                That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

                Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

                Diehard is just trolling. I wouldn't bother responding

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                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                @mld-woody said:

                Diehard is just trolling. I wouldn't bother responding

                Not really woodpecker:  Although not a 15 years sentence (which it is apparently in Wisconsin, in New Mexico it is only 18 months:  Involuntary manslaughter can also occur if a person is engaging in a lawful act but unintentionally kills someone by being negligent or not exercising due care. Involuntary manslaughter is classified as a fourth-degree felony with sentencing up to 18 months in prison and probation.

                I would say he is guilty as hell.

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                • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                  @neo said:

                  I don't know why this is getting so much attention,  it's obvious this was an accident. It sucks for the family but he's innocent 100%

                  Because politics

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                  @mld-woody said:

                  Because politics

                  Exactly. Actually the same reason some here thought Kyle Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad for legally defending himself.

                  And again Dick Cheney was not guilty of attempted murder just because the left hates him.

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                    N Neo wrote on last edited by Neo
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                    If you want to argue it was Alec Baldwin's job to check the firearm himself, maybe so. But to pretend that accidents don't happen is completely unreasonable. That is why you hire someone whose sole responsibility is to handle the firearms on the set and ensure everyone's safety. 

                    If the armorer was on the clock, it was their responsibility  to ensure the safety of the crew. It was the armorer's inability to do their job what directly lead to the unfortunate shooting.

                    It saddens me that this even has to be explained in today's society. Honestly, I don't think he should of done the interview because there are people out there that will use his every word to crucify him. He is innocent and if he was ever charged with something and I was a juror in his trial, I would not convict him no questions asked.

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                      Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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                      The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

                      "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                      • Browns149B Browns149

                        The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

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                        W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                        @browns149 said:

                        The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

                        Somebody f***** up. Wasn't that clear?

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                        • Browns149B Browns149

                          The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

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                          N Neo wrote on last edited by
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                          @browns149 said:

                          The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

                          With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

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                          • N Neo

                            @browns149 said:

                            The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

                            With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

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                            Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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                            @neo said:

                            With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

                            That’s what I thought.
                            There is NO reason to have a “Real” gun or “Real” ammo on the set

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              Because politics

                              Exactly. Actually the same reason some here thought Kyle Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad for legally defending himself.

                              And again Dick Cheney was not guilty of attempted murder just because the left hates him.

                              WSS 

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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                              @westside-steve said:

                              Exactly. Actually the same reason some here thought Kyle Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad for legally defending himself.

                              And again Dick Cheney was not guilty of attempted murder just because the left hates him.

                              WSS 

                              Who here though Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad?

                              Of course, this situation is so incredibly different than the Rittenhouse one it's hilarious and concerning you'd even bring it up as a comparison...

                              ... But who wantws a firing squad exactly?

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                              • N Neo

                                @browns149 said:

                                The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

                                With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                @neo said:

                                With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

                                @browns149 said:

                                That’s what I thought.
                                There is NO reason to have a “Real” gun or “Real” ammo on the set

                                I know there have been some in the industry that have already said they're done using guns. Fake guns and they'll fix it with CGI in post

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                                • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  Exactly. Actually the same reason some here thought Kyle Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad for legally defending himself.

                                  And again Dick Cheney was not guilty of attempted murder just because the left hates him.

                                  WSS 

                                  Who here though Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad?

                                  Of course, this situation is so incredibly different than the Rittenhouse one it's hilarious and concerning you'd even bring it up as a comparison...

                                  ... But who wantws a firing squad exactly?

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                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  Who here though Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad?

                                  Neo

                                  Of course, this situation is so incredibly different than the Rittenhouse one it's hilarious and concerning you'd even bring it up as a comparison...

                                   your hypocrisy would be hilarious if it wasn't so stupid.

                                  ... But who wantws a firing squad exactly?

                                  Read back a couple of lines.

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                                  • N Neo

                                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                    He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

                                    There are two possibilities 

                                    1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

                                    2) the armorer never checked the weapon

                                    That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

                                    Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

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                                    jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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                                    @neo said:

                                    Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he?

                                    Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

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                                    • N Neo

                                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                      He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

                                      There are two possibilities 

                                      1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

                                      2) the armorer never checked the weapon

                                      That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

                                      Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

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                                      jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by jbluhm86
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                                      @neo said:

                                      There are two possibilities 

                                      1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

                                      2) the armorer never checked the weapon

                                      That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

                                      Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

                                      New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30 - Criminal Offenses Article 2 - Homicide Section 30-2-3 - Manslaughter

                                      30-2-3. Manslaughter.
                                      Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.

                                      A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.

                                      Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being.

                                      B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

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                                        @neo said:

                                        Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he?

                                        Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

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                                        @jbluhm86 said:

                                        Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

                                        A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

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                                          @jbluhm86 said:

                                          Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

                                          A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

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                                          hammertimeH hammertime wrote on last edited by
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                                          @neo said:

                                          A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

                                          After all your Rittenhouse reteric you may want to sit this one out….

                                          guns don't kill kids-pitt bulls do.
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