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Alec BALLdwin... "I didn't pull the trigger"

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  • @neo said:

    It's nothing more than a horrible accident. Feel bad for the family of the departed and Alec. 

    He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

    There are two possibilities 

    1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

    2) the armorer never checked the weapon

    That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

    Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

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    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

    There are two possibilities 

    1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

    2) the armorer never checked the weapon

    That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

    Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

    @neo said:

    There are two possibilities 

    1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

    2) the armorer never checked the weapon

    That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

    Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

    Diehard is just trolling. I wouldn't bother responding

  • N Neo

    I don't know why this is getting so much attention,  it's obvious this was an accident. It sucks for the family but he's innocent 100%

    @neo said:

    I don't know why this is getting so much attention,  it's obvious this was an accident. It sucks for the family but he's innocent 100%

    Because politics

  • @neo said:

    There are two possibilities 

    1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

    2) the armorer never checked the weapon

    That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

    Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

    Diehard is just trolling. I wouldn't bother responding

    @mld-woody said:

    Diehard is just trolling. I wouldn't bother responding

    Not really woodpecker:  Although not a 15 years sentence (which it is apparently in Wisconsin, in New Mexico it is only 18 months:  Involuntary manslaughter can also occur if a person is engaging in a lawful act but unintentionally kills someone by being negligent or not exercising due care. Involuntary manslaughter is classified as a fourth-degree felony with sentencing up to 18 months in prison and probation.

    I would say he is guilty as hell.

  • @neo said:

    I don't know why this is getting so much attention,  it's obvious this was an accident. It sucks for the family but he's innocent 100%

    Because politics

    @mld-woody said:

    Because politics

    Exactly. Actually the same reason some here thought Kyle Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad for legally defending himself.

    And again Dick Cheney was not guilty of attempted murder just because the left hates him.

    WSS 

  • If you want to argue it was Alec Baldwin's job to check the firearm himself, maybe so. But to pretend that accidents don't happen is completely unreasonable. That is why you hire someone whose sole responsibility is to handle the firearms on the set and ensure everyone's safety. 

    If the armorer was on the clock, it was their responsibility  to ensure the safety of the crew. It was the armorer's inability to do their job what directly lead to the unfortunate shooting.

    It saddens me that this even has to be explained in today's society. Honestly, I don't think he should of done the interview because there are people out there that will use his every word to crucify him. He is innocent and if he was ever charged with something and I was a juror in his trial, I would not convict him no questions asked.

  • The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

  • The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

    @browns149 said:

    The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

    Somebody f***** up. Wasn't that clear?

    WSS 

  • The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

    @browns149 said:

    The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

    With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

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    @browns149 said:

    The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

    With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

    @neo said:

    With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

    That’s what I thought.
    There is NO reason to have a “Real” gun or “Real” ammo on the set

  • @mld-woody said:

    Because politics

    Exactly. Actually the same reason some here thought Kyle Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad for legally defending himself.

    And again Dick Cheney was not guilty of attempted murder just because the left hates him.

    WSS 

    @westside-steve said:

    Exactly. Actually the same reason some here thought Kyle Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad for legally defending himself.

    And again Dick Cheney was not guilty of attempted murder just because the left hates him.

    WSS 

    Who here though Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad?

    Of course, this situation is so incredibly different than the Rittenhouse one it's hilarious and concerning you'd even bring it up as a comparison...

    ... But who wantws a firing squad exactly?

  • N Neo

    @browns149 said:

    The question I have is, Why was there live ammo allowed on the set?

    With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

    @neo said:

    With today's technology, why do they even allow real guns on the set? They can make fully functional replicas and add the effects in through CGI. Again,  this comes down to the person in charge of the firearms.

    @browns149 said:

    That’s what I thought.
    There is NO reason to have a “Real” gun or “Real” ammo on the set

    I know there have been some in the industry that have already said they're done using guns. Fake guns and they'll fix it with CGI in post

  • @westside-steve said:

    Exactly. Actually the same reason some here thought Kyle Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad for legally defending himself.

    And again Dick Cheney was not guilty of attempted murder just because the left hates him.

    WSS 

    Who here though Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad?

    Of course, this situation is so incredibly different than the Rittenhouse one it's hilarious and concerning you'd even bring it up as a comparison...

    ... But who wantws a firing squad exactly?

    @mld-woody said:

    Who here though Rittenhouse should be put in front of a firing squad?

    Neo

    Of course, this situation is so incredibly different than the Rittenhouse one it's hilarious and concerning you'd even bring it up as a comparison...

     your hypocrisy would be hilarious if it wasn't so stupid.

    ... But who wantws a firing squad exactly?

    Read back a couple of lines.

    WSS 

  • N Neo

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

    There are two possibilities 

    1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

    2) the armorer never checked the weapon

    That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

    Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

    @neo said:

    Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he?

    Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

  • N Neo

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    He deserves at least a 15 year sentence for involuntary manslaughter.

    There are two possibilities 

    1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

    2) the armorer never checked the weapon

    That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

    Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

    @neo said:

    There are two possibilities 

    1) the armorer checked the weapon and didn't know the difference between a live round and a dummy round.

    2) the armorer never checked the weapon

    That is why you pay armorer, to make sure things like this don't happen. Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he? Why pay an armorer if you can't trust them? If the armorer can't tell the difference between live and fake ammo, how the fuck is Alec supposed to know the difference?

    Involuntary manslaughter ? that's fucking ridiculous. 

    New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30 - Criminal Offenses Article 2 - Homicide Section 30-2-3 - Manslaughter

    30-2-3. Manslaughter.
    Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.

    A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion.

    Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being.

    B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

  • @neo said:

    Should have Alec checked the gun, why would he?

    Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

    A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

  • N Neo

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

    A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

    @neo said:

    A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

    After all your Rittenhouse reteric you may want to sit this one out….

  • @neo said:

    A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

    After all your Rittenhouse reteric you may want to sit this one out….

    @hammertime said:

    After all your Rittenhouse reteric you may want to sit this one out….

    fuck-off-hold-on.gif

  • Yep.

    im convinced…..

    at least Rittenhouse offed an absolute piece of shit pedo…..

    did you know him?

  • N Neo

    @jbluhm86 said:

    Because he's the last one who's holding the gun in his hand and who's pointing it at someone?

    A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

    @neo said:

    A gun that should have been unloaded but wasn't because the "expert" that was paid to do their job didn't do their fucking job.

    The person currently holding the gun has the responsibility to make sure that the gun is in a safe state; ie. ensuring it's unloaded and/or not pointing it at someone. That's firearm safety 101 and it's the first thing you learn in CCW training and firearms training in the military/police academy.