America Has a Gun Problem
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going after guns is a subculture political weapon. More people are killed by knives, than long guns?
but many don't parrot the knives as being "a problem".
The anti-2nd Amendment people claim to be so concerned about deaths by guns, but they don't care at all about
knives?
and, tragically, they don't care about all the unborn and even born children that get murdered via on demand any time they FEEL like it abortion because of their irresponsible sexual behavior.
I hope they overturn Roe vs Wade to a point. Only under serious, dire circumstances can I understand the need for it. Even still....it's a very tough issue.
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I knew the response here would be "well, it's too late". Nothing is too late in reality. It just takes effort. I don't expect any changes because of lobbyists and our culture, but nothing is impossible.
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Absolutely not. There is a process bike which you can most certainly repeal the 2nd Amendment or any other Amendment. I realize that you prefer to focus on the very tiny number of school shootings (because it gets you more sympathy) and ignore the huge amount of people gunned down in the hood, but anytime you get enough people in America to ratified what you demand, owning a firearm could be made a felony the next day.
By the way as to the boogeyman I have no doubt that those who want to repeal the 2nd Amendment also have lobbyists.
WSS
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Absolutely not. There is a process bike which you can most certainly repeal the 2nd Amendment or any other Amendment. I realize that you prefer to focus on the very tiny number of school shootings (because it gets you more sympathy) and ignore the huge amount of people gunned down in the hood, but anytime you get enough people in America to ratified what you demand, owning a firearm could be made a felony the next day.
By the way as to the boogeyman I have no doubt that those who want to repeal the 2nd Amendment also have lobbyists.
WSS
I'm not even advocating for repealing the 2nd amendment. The comment was "only a good guy with a gun blah blah blah". That's not true. Or if by "stopping" you mean "after the shooter has killed a handful of people". The only real way to stop that is to completely remove the gun.
Stricter regulations and mental health education funding is a good start
Obviously gang violence in the cities matters, but the root causes there are different. Restrictions around gun ownership would eventually improve that situation too though..
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I really don't think there is anything that can be done to combat gun violence. We are a gun culture and it's something that just comes with the territory. Go out, get your CHL, protect yourself and stay out of bad situations.
I really don't think there is anything that can be done to combat gun violence. We are a gun culture and it's something that just comes with the territory. Go out, get your CHL, protect yourself and stay out of bad situations.
It's fucked up to think that way. And I don't think a generation of kids coming up that had a school shooting somewhere multiple times a year are going to take that lying down. And good for them. Hopefully they can improve the current situation
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I really don't think there is anything that can be done to combat gun violence. We are a gun culture and it's something that just comes with the territory. Go out, get your CHL, protect yourself and stay out of bad situations.
It's fucked up to think that way. And I don't think a generation of kids coming up that had a school shooting somewhere multiple times a year are going to take that lying down. And good for them. Hopefully they can improve the current situation
It's fucked up to think that way. And I don't think a generation of kids coming up that had a school shooting somewhere multiple times a year are going to take that lying down. And good for them. Hopefully they can improve the current situation
But what I'm saying is what can you do? Criminals can get their hands on guns easily. All they need to do is break into someone's house and steal their guns, now they have a gun they can go rob a store or murder someone with that can't be traced back to them.
Or the thief sells it to someone for drugs and then it gets passed on, there's no telling how many times it changes hands. Unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and is a huge problem.
I keep my guns locked up at all times except for the one I use for protection. You're not going to break into my house and find one my guns in a sock drawer or under a mattress.
That probably how a lot of accidental shootings happen involving children getting their hands on mom or dad's gun. Until you solve that problem, it's going to be hard to slow down .
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The death of Freedom comes slowly, more like cancer than a heart attack. It's just a little more inconvenient for the buzzards. Or woodpeckers.
WSS
The death of Freedom comes slowly, more like cancer than a heart attack. It's just a little more inconvenient for the buzzards. Or woodpeckers.
WSS
Frog in pot scenario
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I really don't think there is anything that can be done to combat gun violence. We are a gun culture and it's something that just comes with the territory. Go out, get your CHL, protect yourself and stay out of bad situations.
It's fucked up to think that way. And I don't think a generation of kids coming up that had a school shooting somewhere multiple times a year are going to take that lying down. And good for them. Hopefully they can improve the current situation
It's fucked up to think that way. And I don't think a generation of kids coming up that had a school shooting somewhere multiple times a year are going to take that lying down. And good for them. Hopefully they can improve the current situation
Ain't taken mines or my kids gun's. Maga.
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I believe there exist data/ arguments that suggest that it does. It's just that I have not looked into it deep enough to make a decision.
My gut feeling is no.
Besides, you hijacked your own thread. Are we talking about a gun problem, or do video games cause gun violence?
Video games are uses as a scapegoat when discussing our gun violence issue. Dumbass CNN was pushing that take after the Oxford shooting. I brought it up because they're tied together.
But video games do not cause gun violence any more than ice cream sales cause crime (correlation vs causation)
Video games are uses as a scapegoat when discussing our gun violence issue. Dumbass CNN was pushing that take after the Oxford shooting. I brought it up because they're tied together.
But video games do not cause gun violence any more than ice cream sales cause crime (correlation vs causation)
I did play GTA3 as a kid. Since then, I've chopped off a couple of people's legs. COULD VIDEO GAMES BE THE CULPRIT? Find out next time on your favorite news channel.
I knew the response here would be "well, it's too late". Nothing is too late in reality. It just takes effort. I don't expect any changes because of lobbyists and our culture, but nothing is impossible.
I'm not even advocating for repealing the 2nd amendment. The comment was "only a good guy with a gun blah blah blah". That's not true. Or if by "stopping" you mean "after the shooter has killed a handful of people". The only real way to stop that is to completely remove the gun.
Stricter regulations and mental health education funding is a good start
Obviously gang violence in the cities matters, but the root causes there are different. Restrictions around gun ownership would eventually improve that situation too though..
Alright, I'll play ball. My problem with the gun control crowd is that they have not brought up a single plausible way of doing what they suggest. First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
I'm happy to hear any thoughts you have, but what you're asking is a Sisyphean task. You are focusing on the statistical anomaly of school shootings, instead of the vast majority of gun violence being rural suicides or urban homicides. The argument you present isn't really much different from those who were asking for the Patriot Act after 9/11.
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I knew the response here would be "well, it's too late". Nothing is too late in reality. It just takes effort. I don't expect any changes because of lobbyists and our culture, but nothing is impossible.
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Now with computers and machinery to make blacksmith or even high tech "plastic" firearms.
But it's true something else needs to be done especially with the kids.
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Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Now with computers and machinery to make blacksmith or even high tech "plastic" firearms.
But it's true something else needs to be done especially with the kids.
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Absolutely not. There is a process bike which you can most certainly repeal the 2nd Amendment or any other Amendment. I realize that you prefer to focus on the very tiny number of school shootings (because it gets you more sympathy) and ignore the huge amount of people gunned down in the hood, but anytime you get enough people in America to ratified what you demand, owning a firearm could be made a felony the next day.
By the way as to the boogeyman I have no doubt that those who want to repeal the 2nd Amendment also have lobbyists.
WSS
I'm not even advocating for repealing the 2nd amendment. The comment was "only a good guy with a gun blah blah blah". That's not true. Or if by "stopping" you mean "after the shooter has killed a handful of people". The only real way to stop that is to completely remove the gun.
Stricter regulations and mental health education funding is a good start
Obviously gang violence in the cities matters, but the root causes there are different. Restrictions around gun ownership would eventually improve that situation too though..
I'm not even advocating for repealing the 2nd amendment. The comment was "only a good guy with a gun blah blah blah". That's not true. Or if by "stopping" you mean "after the shooter has killed a handful of people". The only real way to stop that is to completely remove the gun.
Stricter regulations and mental health education funding is a good start
Obviously gang violence in the cities matters, but the root causes there are different. Restrictions around gun ownership would eventually improve that situation too though..
I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
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I knew the response here would be "well, it's too late". Nothing is too late in reality. It just takes effort. I don't expect any changes because of lobbyists and our culture, but nothing is impossible.
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
The barrier to entry increases significantly.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
It's fucked up to think that way. And I don't think a generation of kids coming up that had a school shooting somewhere multiple times a year are going to take that lying down. And good for them. Hopefully they can improve the current situation
But what I'm saying is what can you do? Criminals can get their hands on guns easily. All they need to do is break into someone's house and steal their guns, now they have a gun they can go rob a store or murder someone with that can't be traced back to them.
Or the thief sells it to someone for drugs and then it gets passed on, there's no telling how many times it changes hands. Unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and is a huge problem.
I keep my guns locked up at all times except for the one I use for protection. You're not going to break into my house and find one my guns in a sock drawer or under a mattress.
That probably how a lot of accidental shootings happen involving children getting their hands on mom or dad's gun. Until you solve that problem, it's going to be hard to slow down .
But what I'm saying is what can you do? Criminals can get their hands on guns easily. All they need to do is break into someone's house and steal their guns, now they have a gun they can go rob a store or murder someone with that can't be traced back to them.
Or the thief sells it to someone for drugs and then it gets passed on, there's no telling how many times it changes hands. Unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and is a huge problem.
I keep my guns locked up at all times except for the one I use for protection. You're not going to break into my house and find one my guns in a sock drawer or under a mattress.
That probably how a lot of accidental shootings happen involving children getting their hands on mom or dad's gun. Until you solve that problem, it's going to be hard to slow down .
In regards to your first paragraph: then why have any laws at all? Why is it illegal to take someone if people still do it? Why bother making stealing illegal if people still do it? It is a deterrent and the start of a culture shift, not an end all be all solution.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Any meaningful change starts somewhere. We're the only developed country with this issue. We just keep throwing our hands up in there air like there's absolutely nothing we can do while people walk around with ARs and gun lobbyists rake in money.
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The death of Freedom comes slowly, more like cancer than a heart attack. It's just a little more inconvenient for the buzzards. Or woodpeckers.
WSS
Frog in pot scenario
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But what I'm saying is what can you do? Criminals can get their hands on guns easily. All they need to do is break into someone's house and steal their guns, now they have a gun they can go rob a store or murder someone with that can't be traced back to them.
Or the thief sells it to someone for drugs and then it gets passed on, there's no telling how many times it changes hands. Unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and is a huge problem.
I keep my guns locked up at all times except for the one I use for protection. You're not going to break into my house and find one my guns in a sock drawer or under a mattress.
That probably how a lot of accidental shootings happen involving children getting their hands on mom or dad's gun. Until you solve that problem, it's going to be hard to slow down .
In regards to your first paragraph: then why have any laws at all? Why is it illegal to take someone if people still do it? Why bother making stealing illegal if people still do it? It is a deterrent and the start of a culture shift, not an end all be all solution.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Any meaningful change starts somewhere. We're the only developed country with this issue. We just keep throwing our hands up in there air like there's absolutely nothing we can do while people walk around with ARs and gun lobbyists rake in money.
In regards to your first paragraph: then why have any laws at all? Why is it illegal to take someone if people still do it? Why bother making stealing illegal if people still do it? It is a deterrent and the start of a culture shift, not an end all be all solution.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Nor did it decline and fall in a day. Neither will we...
Any meaningful change starts somewhere. We're the only developed country with this issue. We just keep throwing our hands up in there air like there's absolutely nothing we can do while people walk around with ARs and gun lobbyists rake in money.
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The barrier to entry increases significantly.
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
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The barrier to entry increases significantly.
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
Thats like saying if you sling enough shit on the wall.. some of it might stick... Thats rather vague,...
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I'm not even advocating for repealing the 2nd amendment. The comment was "only a good guy with a gun blah blah blah". That's not true. Or if by "stopping" you mean "after the shooter has killed a handful of people". The only real way to stop that is to completely remove the gun.
Stricter regulations and mental health education funding is a good start
Obviously gang violence in the cities matters, but the root causes there are different. Restrictions around gun ownership would eventually improve that situation too though..
I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
WSS
I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
WSS
It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
Plenty is already being done. There is no magic twanger utopian cure for evil people. Why not start a thread about knive violence?
Current laws need to be enforced. Gun registration solves absolutely nothing, except it would make haters happy to "get" the other side.
and it would help a corrupt gov like the one we have now, intimidate gun owners, and help them disarm Americans. Evil has always been. Illegal behavior has always been. Criminals break laws, good folks do not. going after the good folks to try to stem criminal violence is just either stupid, or belligerently political. The idea that every gun owner needs a psychiatric permission to be allowed to own a gun... it isn't a perfect science - all it would take is one liberal evaluator to decide that nobody is allowed to have a gun because no humans have the mental ability to never use a gun illegally.
Stupid laws that solve absolutely nothing seem to be all the rage with the left. Everything is political "got yas". ...."got ya" s. whatever.
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