America Has a Gun Problem
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I knew the response here would be "well, it's too late". Nothing is too late in reality. It just takes effort. I don't expect any changes because of lobbyists and our culture, but nothing is impossible.
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Now with computers and machinery to make blacksmith or even high tech "plastic" firearms.
But it's true something else needs to be done especially with the kids.
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Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Now with computers and machinery to make blacksmith or even high tech "plastic" firearms.
But it's true something else needs to be done especially with the kids.
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Absolutely not. There is a process bike which you can most certainly repeal the 2nd Amendment or any other Amendment. I realize that you prefer to focus on the very tiny number of school shootings (because it gets you more sympathy) and ignore the huge amount of people gunned down in the hood, but anytime you get enough people in America to ratified what you demand, owning a firearm could be made a felony the next day.
By the way as to the boogeyman I have no doubt that those who want to repeal the 2nd Amendment also have lobbyists.
WSS
I'm not even advocating for repealing the 2nd amendment. The comment was "only a good guy with a gun blah blah blah". That's not true. Or if by "stopping" you mean "after the shooter has killed a handful of people". The only real way to stop that is to completely remove the gun.
Stricter regulations and mental health education funding is a good start
Obviously gang violence in the cities matters, but the root causes there are different. Restrictions around gun ownership would eventually improve that situation too though..
I'm not even advocating for repealing the 2nd amendment. The comment was "only a good guy with a gun blah blah blah". That's not true. Or if by "stopping" you mean "after the shooter has killed a handful of people". The only real way to stop that is to completely remove the gun.
Stricter regulations and mental health education funding is a good start
Obviously gang violence in the cities matters, but the root causes there are different. Restrictions around gun ownership would eventually improve that situation too though..
I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
WSS
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I knew the response here would be "well, it's too late". Nothing is too late in reality. It just takes effort. I don't expect any changes because of lobbyists and our culture, but nothing is impossible.
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
The barrier to entry increases significantly.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
It's fucked up to think that way. And I don't think a generation of kids coming up that had a school shooting somewhere multiple times a year are going to take that lying down. And good for them. Hopefully they can improve the current situation
But what I'm saying is what can you do? Criminals can get their hands on guns easily. All they need to do is break into someone's house and steal their guns, now they have a gun they can go rob a store or murder someone with that can't be traced back to them.
Or the thief sells it to someone for drugs and then it gets passed on, there's no telling how many times it changes hands. Unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and is a huge problem.
I keep my guns locked up at all times except for the one I use for protection. You're not going to break into my house and find one my guns in a sock drawer or under a mattress.
That probably how a lot of accidental shootings happen involving children getting their hands on mom or dad's gun. Until you solve that problem, it's going to be hard to slow down .
But what I'm saying is what can you do? Criminals can get their hands on guns easily. All they need to do is break into someone's house and steal their guns, now they have a gun they can go rob a store or murder someone with that can't be traced back to them.
Or the thief sells it to someone for drugs and then it gets passed on, there's no telling how many times it changes hands. Unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and is a huge problem.
I keep my guns locked up at all times except for the one I use for protection. You're not going to break into my house and find one my guns in a sock drawer or under a mattress.
That probably how a lot of accidental shootings happen involving children getting their hands on mom or dad's gun. Until you solve that problem, it's going to be hard to slow down .
In regards to your first paragraph: then why have any laws at all? Why is it illegal to take someone if people still do it? Why bother making stealing illegal if people still do it? It is a deterrent and the start of a culture shift, not an end all be all solution.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Any meaningful change starts somewhere. We're the only developed country with this issue. We just keep throwing our hands up in there air like there's absolutely nothing we can do while people walk around with ARs and gun lobbyists rake in money.
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The death of Freedom comes slowly, more like cancer than a heart attack. It's just a little more inconvenient for the buzzards. Or woodpeckers.
WSS
Frog in pot scenario
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But what I'm saying is what can you do? Criminals can get their hands on guns easily. All they need to do is break into someone's house and steal their guns, now they have a gun they can go rob a store or murder someone with that can't be traced back to them.
Or the thief sells it to someone for drugs and then it gets passed on, there's no telling how many times it changes hands. Unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible gun owners out there and is a huge problem.
I keep my guns locked up at all times except for the one I use for protection. You're not going to break into my house and find one my guns in a sock drawer or under a mattress.
That probably how a lot of accidental shootings happen involving children getting their hands on mom or dad's gun. Until you solve that problem, it's going to be hard to slow down .
In regards to your first paragraph: then why have any laws at all? Why is it illegal to take someone if people still do it? Why bother making stealing illegal if people still do it? It is a deterrent and the start of a culture shift, not an end all be all solution.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Any meaningful change starts somewhere. We're the only developed country with this issue. We just keep throwing our hands up in there air like there's absolutely nothing we can do while people walk around with ARs and gun lobbyists rake in money.
In regards to your first paragraph: then why have any laws at all? Why is it illegal to take someone if people still do it? Why bother making stealing illegal if people still do it? It is a deterrent and the start of a culture shift, not an end all be all solution.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Nor did it decline and fall in a day. Neither will we...
Any meaningful change starts somewhere. We're the only developed country with this issue. We just keep throwing our hands up in there air like there's absolutely nothing we can do while people walk around with ARs and gun lobbyists rake in money.
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The barrier to entry increases significantly.
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
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The barrier to entry increases significantly.
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
Thats like saying if you sling enough shit on the wall.. some of it might stick... Thats rather vague,...
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I'm not even advocating for repealing the 2nd amendment. The comment was "only a good guy with a gun blah blah blah". That's not true. Or if by "stopping" you mean "after the shooter has killed a handful of people". The only real way to stop that is to completely remove the gun.
Stricter regulations and mental health education funding is a good start
Obviously gang violence in the cities matters, but the root causes there are different. Restrictions around gun ownership would eventually improve that situation too though..
I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
WSS
I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
WSS
It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
What kind of drivel is that?... The fact remains... As long as there have been guns and alcohol... It can never be eradicated as much as you like to have it happen.. Sorry but Guns and booze are here to stay ...
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
Plenty is already being done. There is no magic twanger utopian cure for evil people. Why not start a thread about knive violence?
Current laws need to be enforced. Gun registration solves absolutely nothing, except it would make haters happy to "get" the other side.
and it would help a corrupt gov like the one we have now, intimidate gun owners, and help them disarm Americans. Evil has always been. Illegal behavior has always been. Criminals break laws, good folks do not. going after the good folks to try to stem criminal violence is just either stupid, or belligerently political. The idea that every gun owner needs a psychiatric permission to be allowed to own a gun... it isn't a perfect science - all it would take is one liberal evaluator to decide that nobody is allowed to have a gun because no humans have the mental ability to never use a gun illegally.
Stupid laws that solve absolutely nothing seem to be all the rage with the left. Everything is political "got yas". ...."got ya" s. whatever.
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I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
WSS
It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02
Covid is your excuse? Okay here's 2019.
I'm not going to bother researching every one of the deaths but I'm going to guess that the vast majority would not have been stopped by hey background check. Just to guess you can prove me wrong if you want and I'll accept it. And education in the Inner City? Sounds good. No doubt that will do the trick. Somebody just has to tell the Hoodrats that shooting opposing gang members or people in the street is bad. They were probably just unaware.
I'll look back over it later and see if there are any points I think are valid
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
WSS
It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
of course, this is now getting silly. Our military is made up of us. Trust me, I was in the military. Do you think there is room in anyone's house for the entire army to come into our house and take our guns illegally? egad.
But let's indulge silliness for a sec.
485,000 Regular Army personnel (2021)[5]
336,000 Army National Guard personnel (2021)
189,500 Army Reserve personnel (2021)[5]
1,005,725 total uniformed personnelNow, there are about maybe......200 MILLION gun owners. (200 MILLION > 1 MILLION).
and btw, WE ALREADY HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS.
It is ALREADY ILLEGAL to provide a gun to someone who is not allowed to have one. That is why I am fine with the parents being arrested for giving their kid a gun when he had significant psych problems. Enforce the laws we have. They are not tyrannical.
Again - Australians let themselves be disarmed. And Australians are being put into covid interment camps. etc etc etc.
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What kind of drivel is that?
This belief that there's absolutely nothing that completely fix the problem so we shouldn't even attempt anything is so defeatist and dumb
Plenty is already being done. There is no magic twanger utopian cure for evil people. Why not start a thread about knive violence?
Current laws need to be enforced. Gun registration solves absolutely nothing, except it would make haters happy to "get" the other side.
and it would help a corrupt gov like the one we have now, intimidate gun owners, and help them disarm Americans. Evil has always been. Illegal behavior has always been. Criminals break laws, good folks do not. going after the good folks to try to stem criminal violence is just either stupid, or belligerently political. The idea that every gun owner needs a psychiatric permission to be allowed to own a gun... it isn't a perfect science - all it would take is one liberal evaluator to decide that nobody is allowed to have a gun because no humans have the mental ability to never use a gun illegally.
Stupid laws that solve absolutely nothing seem to be all the rage with the left. Everything is political "got yas". ...."got ya" s. whatever.
Plenty is already being done. There is no magic twanger utopian cure for evil people. Why not start a thread about knive violence?
Current laws need to be enforced. Gun registration solves absolutely nothing, except it would make haters happy to "get" the other side.
and it would help a corrupt gov like the one we have now, intimidate gun owners, and help them disarm Americans. Evil has always been. Illegal behavior has always been. Criminals break laws, good folks do not. going after the good folks to try to stem criminal violence is just either stupid, or belligerently political. The idea that every gun owner needs a psychiatric permission to be allowed to own a gun... it isn't a perfect science - all it would take is one liberal evaluator to decide that nobody is allowed to have a gun because no humans have the mental ability to never use a gun illegally.
Stupid laws that solve absolutely nothing seem to be all the rage with the left. Everything is political "got yas". ...."got ya" s. whatever.
There are around 10 times as many murders in the US caused by firearms than caused by knifes. Besides running down all of the other differences, this is a good place to start.
Yes, I know there is no "magic cure". I've said that many times. Your desire to do nothing because there is no "magic cure" just proves the point I've been making.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02
Covid is your excuse? Okay here's 2019.
I'm not going to bother researching every one of the deaths but I'm going to guess that the vast majority would not have been stopped by hey background check. Just to guess you can prove me wrong if you want and I'll accept it. And education in the Inner City? Sounds good. No doubt that will do the trick. Somebody just has to tell the Hoodrats that shooting opposing gang members or people in the street is bad. They were probably just unaware.
I'll look back over it later and see if there are any points I think are valid
WSS
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02
Covid is your excuse? Okay here's 2019.
I'm not going to bother researching every one of the deaths but I'm going to guess that the vast majority would not have been stopped by hey background check. Just to guess you can prove me wrong if you want and I'll accept it. And education in the Inner City? Sounds good. No doubt that will do the trick. Somebody just has to tell the Hoodrats that shooting opposing gang members or people in the street is bad. They were probably just unaware.
I'll look back over it later and see if there are any points I think are valid
WSS
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Plenty is already being done. There is no magic twanger utopian cure for evil people. Why not start a thread about knive violence?
Current laws need to be enforced. Gun registration solves absolutely nothing, except it would make haters happy to "get" the other side.
and it would help a corrupt gov like the one we have now, intimidate gun owners, and help them disarm Americans. Evil has always been. Illegal behavior has always been. Criminals break laws, good folks do not. going after the good folks to try to stem criminal violence is just either stupid, or belligerently political. The idea that every gun owner needs a psychiatric permission to be allowed to own a gun... it isn't a perfect science - all it would take is one liberal evaluator to decide that nobody is allowed to have a gun because no humans have the mental ability to never use a gun illegally.
Stupid laws that solve absolutely nothing seem to be all the rage with the left. Everything is political "got yas". ...."got ya" s. whatever.
There are around 10 times as many murders in the US caused by firearms than caused by knifes. Besides running down all of the other differences, this is a good place to start.
Yes, I know there is no "magic cure". I've said that many times. Your desire to do nothing because there is no "magic cure" just proves the point I've been making.
There are around 10 times as many murders in the US caused by firearms than caused by knifes. Besides running down all of the other differences, this is a good place to start.
Yes, I know there is no "magic cure". I've said that many times. Your desire to do nothing because there is no "magic cure" just proves the point I've been making.
I said before - long guns. and as I showed before - 4 major cities account for a serious amount of those. I did not say "do nothing" at all.
I have always said "enforce current laws". You don't know guns, I get it. But the goofy notion that tyranny like in Australia would make you happy, I showed they have plenty of violent crime even after that socialist gov confiscated all their guns and destroyed them.
Tyrannical laws do NOT WORK.
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Australia's 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn't Work - And it Wouldn't Work in America. W ithin hours of the gunfire falling silent on the campus of Umpqua Community College in Oregon Thursday -
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02
Covid is your excuse? Okay here's 2019.
I'm not going to bother researching every one of the deaths but I'm going to guess that the vast majority would not have been stopped by hey background check. Just to guess you can prove me wrong if you want and I'll accept it. And education in the Inner City? Sounds good. No doubt that will do the trick. Somebody just has to tell the Hoodrats that shooting opposing gang members or people in the street is bad. They were probably just unaware.
I'll look back over it later and see if there are any points I think are valid
WSS
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
“98 percent of mass public shootings have occurred in places where guns are banned, just so you understand.”
— President Trump, speaking to the National Rifle Association, May 4 -
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02
Covid is your excuse? Okay here's 2019.
I'm not going to bother researching every one of the deaths but I'm going to guess that the vast majority would not have been stopped by hey background check. Just to guess you can prove me wrong if you want and I'll accept it. And education in the Inner City? Sounds good. No doubt that will do the trick. Somebody just has to tell the Hoodrats that shooting opposing gang members or people in the street is bad. They were probably just unaware.
I'll look back over it later and see if there are any points I think are valid
WSS
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
So I gave you numbers from the year before and the results were about the same. The number of people killed in schools is tiny. The number of people killed by assault weapons or any other kind of rifle is tiny. The number of shootings that would have been prevented by a background check which are already in place is tiny. But hey hey this is just a suspicion that I think if you guys got or even enforced the regulations you want and thought it didn't do any good you look foolish.
Yes the liberal media over reports school shootings Ad nauseam. And under reports hood rats. But if you are unable to admit that only harsh measures will make us like the more homogeneous societies get on the horn and call for a constitutional convention. Don't know what else to tell you. Frankly I doubt more free shit will do the job. You sound like a cigarette smoker bragging that he cut down from two packs to 1 pack and 9/10.
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I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
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It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
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