America Has a Gun Problem
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https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02
Covid is your excuse? Okay here's 2019.
I'm not going to bother researching every one of the deaths but I'm going to guess that the vast majority would not have been stopped by hey background check. Just to guess you can prove me wrong if you want and I'll accept it. And education in the Inner City? Sounds good. No doubt that will do the trick. Somebody just has to tell the Hoodrats that shooting opposing gang members or people in the street is bad. They were probably just unaware.
I'll look back over it later and see if there are any points I think are valid
WSS
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
“98 percent of mass public shootings have occurred in places where guns are banned, just so you understand.”
— President Trump, speaking to the National Rifle Association, May 4 -
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-in-2019-how-many-and-where/2019/02
Covid is your excuse? Okay here's 2019.
I'm not going to bother researching every one of the deaths but I'm going to guess that the vast majority would not have been stopped by hey background check. Just to guess you can prove me wrong if you want and I'll accept it. And education in the Inner City? Sounds good. No doubt that will do the trick. Somebody just has to tell the Hoodrats that shooting opposing gang members or people in the street is bad. They were probably just unaware.
I'll look back over it later and see if there are any points I think are valid
WSS
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You picked a bad year for comparison. Either ignorantly or maliciously.
Again, the argument you're making is that these school shootings are acceptable so there's nothing we need to do. Consider school shootings the straw that broke the camel's back. We have a gun violence and guj culture problem across the country, school shootings are just the tragic cherry on top.
So I gave you numbers from the year before and the results were about the same. The number of people killed in schools is tiny. The number of people killed by assault weapons or any other kind of rifle is tiny. The number of shootings that would have been prevented by a background check which are already in place is tiny. But hey hey this is just a suspicion that I think if you guys got or even enforced the regulations you want and thought it didn't do any good you look foolish.
Yes the liberal media over reports school shootings Ad nauseam. And under reports hood rats. But if you are unable to admit that only harsh measures will make us like the more homogeneous societies get on the horn and call for a constitutional convention. Don't know what else to tell you. Frankly I doubt more free shit will do the job. You sound like a cigarette smoker bragging that he cut down from two packs to 1 pack and 9/10.
WSS
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I'm not just picking on you when I say that if your goal is make the gun stats in the United States the same as Japan Australia England Etc then just making it a little bit more of a pain in the ass to get a gun really will do nothing. Honestly I'm not even a gun nut even though I have a couple. As I see it the biggest problem is the sensationalizing of school shootings. Yes they're big news. I also posted the stats that the how many they are and how many people died. Almost none compared to any other type of death. I also posted stats on shark attacks. And a few people that commit them or actually f****** crazy. So in order to stop it doesn't or less lunatics you really need to go zero tolerance. And when I say you don't care about murders in the hood I don't really mean that you are personally Cavalier about human life but seriously how many of the names can you list? The media doesn't care because it doesn't sell soap. Also the really liberal media doesn't care because they don't want to paint black people had a bad light. And the politicians don't care because they want the issue. Why else fight tooth and nail over something as meaningless as background checks? But I really don't think these people are purchasing their guns legally and even if they did wouldn't just give up ownership if they didn't pass a background test.
(And face it I have said often that the second amendment has been watered down as to be just about meaningless now. If the original intent was for the citizens to be able to fend off overreaching government force think about it. You think the United States Army is going to worry about a bunch of middle-aged guys with squirrel guns and some c-rations in their basement? Please.)
WSS
It absolutely will do something. It brings us more in line with other developed countries that have gun ownership. Increasing any barrier to entry helps. It helps with reducing school shootings, gang violence, suicides, etc.
You posted scho shooting deaths during a covid year. Of course they're lower. The fact that you're even suggesting there's an "acceptable level" of school shootings is insane to me.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
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Santa must have a gig coming up in the inner city.
Besides, Christmas is coming up. How long should have Santa waited? Time is of the essence this time of year for him!
But seriously, days after a school shooting has no relevance here. What you did was take advantage of a school shooting in order to manufacture outrage.
Had the website provided in the Tweet made mention of Santa applying for conceal carry, then yes, you could argue that this was "promoting", otherwise many reading that tweet other than liberals would find it amusing, like I did.
You can take the school shooting angle out of it. Even then it seems insane to have Santa get a concealed carry permit. Who's next, Jesus?
You can take the school shooting angle out of it. Even then it seems insane to have Santa get a concealed carry permit. Who's next, Jesus?
Refresh my memory what happened to him?
But even you have to admit that there's some irony to this. Alec Baldwin spoke out often against the NRA and gun rights. I don't fault him for that though I don't necessarily agree. But many consider the glamorization of guns in moving pictures to be part of the problem. So a tragic accident is going to bite a guy like him in the ass.
WSS
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Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
A couple of side points; first there's a huge difference between murder and suicide. Number two, making handguns completely illegal (for example) will increase their value on the street. leading to more incentive for the black market. Conversely legalizing opioids or crystal meth would take a lot of the risk out of it for those who manufacture smuggle and sell it.
WSS
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Plenty is already being done. There is no magic twanger utopian cure for evil people. Why not start a thread about knive violence?
Current laws need to be enforced. Gun registration solves absolutely nothing, except it would make haters happy to "get" the other side.
and it would help a corrupt gov like the one we have now, intimidate gun owners, and help them disarm Americans. Evil has always been. Illegal behavior has always been. Criminals break laws, good folks do not. going after the good folks to try to stem criminal violence is just either stupid, or belligerently political. The idea that every gun owner needs a psychiatric permission to be allowed to own a gun... it isn't a perfect science - all it would take is one liberal evaluator to decide that nobody is allowed to have a gun because no humans have the mental ability to never use a gun illegally.
Stupid laws that solve absolutely nothing seem to be all the rage with the left. Everything is political "got yas". ...."got ya" s. whatever.
There are around 10 times as many murders in the US caused by firearms than caused by knifes. Besides running down all of the other differences, this is a good place to start.
Yes, I know there is no "magic cure". I've said that many times. Your desire to do nothing because there is no "magic cure" just proves the point I've been making.
There are around 10 times as many murders in the US caused by firearms than caused by knifes. Besides running down all of the other differences, this is a good place to start.
Yes, I know there is no "magic cure". I've said that many times. Your desire to do nothing because there is no "magic cure" just proves the point I've been making.
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Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Come on, Woody. Vapor asked some significantly valid questions. Legit answers? You ask questions, but never answer them.
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Vapor had good points. Also, if the gun availability has always been there, how come we didn’t see school shootings and an explosion in inner city gun deaths before the last 20-30 years?
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I knew the response here would be "well, it's too late". Nothing is too late in reality. It just takes effort. I don't expect any changes because of lobbyists and our culture, but nothing is impossible.
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
I haven't looked yet but I'd bet there might be a YouTube on how to make a firearm rifle or pistol I know there are how tos on gunsmithing.
A friend of mine had one on reloading.
Now if they only had one on how to raise your nut ? job kid not to be a school shooter....... there are a lot of them out there,. adult ? ones too.
Sad commentary on our country today.
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Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
I haven't looked yet but I'd bet there might be a YouTube on how to make a firearm rifle or pistol I know there are how tos on gunsmithing.
A friend of mine had one on reloading.
Now if they only had one on how to raise your nut ? job kid not to be a school shooter....... there are a lot of them out there,. adult ? ones too.
Sad commentary on our country today.
I haven't looked yet but I'd bet there might be a YouTube on how to make a firearm rifle or pistol I know there are how tos on gunsmithing.
A friend of mine had one on reloading.
Now if they only had one on how to raise your nut ? job kid not to be a school shooter....... there are a lot of them out there,. adult ? ones too.
Sad commentary on our country today.
Yeah... No ones excusing them by any means.. But fact of the matter is... Weapons have been around since the day of the neanderthals.. Weapons will continue to exist... It's part of our survival and defense mechanisms.. The big question I'm more concerned with.. is can we keep ourselves (Humanity) from blowing us up to smithereens via Nukes... I think thats the bigger challenge than whose got guns... Humanity always seems to always do it ass backwards...
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I haven't looked yet but I'd bet there might be a YouTube on how to make a firearm rifle or pistol I know there are how tos on gunsmithing.
A friend of mine had one on reloading.
Now if they only had one on how to raise your nut ? job kid not to be a school shooter....... there are a lot of them out there,. adult ? ones too.
Sad commentary on our country today.
Yeah... No ones excusing them by any means.. But fact of the matter is... Weapons have been around since the day of the neanderthals.. Weapons will continue to exist... It's part of our survival and defense mechanisms.. The big question I'm more concerned with.. is can we keep ourselves (Humanity) from blowing us up to smithereens via Nukes... I think thats the bigger challenge than whose got guns... Humanity always seems to always do it ass backwards...
Yeah... No ones excusing them by any means.. But fact of the matter is... Weapons have been around since the day of the neanderthals.. Weapons will continue to exist... It's part of our survival and defense mechanisms.. The big question I'm more concerned with.. is can we keep ourselves (Humanity) from blowing us up to smithereens via Nukes... I think thats the bigger challenge than whose got guns... Humanity always seems to always do it ass backwards...
The Palestinian vs Israeli decades old "war",. Russia on the Ukrainian doorstep. And others in every continent since sticks and stones and the metals on to the total war stage to the nuclear age and some crazy folks getting their hands on nukes.
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail on the world stage.
Back to home, I still want my home ? protection available. Nothing wrong with a 12 gauge Remington 870 or maybe an old 20 gauge shotgun for the wife, and I like my old revolvers but a little 9 mm semi isn't bad either. And firearms training is great.
To each his own........ just don't come uninvited after dark !
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Yeah... No ones excusing them by any means.. But fact of the matter is... Weapons have been around since the day of the neanderthals.. Weapons will continue to exist... It's part of our survival and defense mechanisms.. The big question I'm more concerned with.. is can we keep ourselves (Humanity) from blowing us up to smithereens via Nukes... I think thats the bigger challenge than whose got guns... Humanity always seems to always do it ass backwards...
The Palestinian vs Israeli decades old "war",. Russia on the Ukrainian doorstep. And others in every continent since sticks and stones and the metals on to the total war stage to the nuclear age and some crazy folks getting their hands on nukes.
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail on the world stage.
Back to home, I still want my home ? protection available. Nothing wrong with a 12 gauge Remington 870 or maybe an old 20 gauge shotgun for the wife, and I like my old revolvers but a little 9 mm semi isn't bad either. And firearms training is great.
To each his own........ just don't come uninvited after dark !
The Palestinian vs Israeli decades old "war",. Russia on the Ukrainian doorstep. And others in every continent since sticks and stones and the metals are to the total war stage to the nuclear age and some crazy folks getting their hands on nukes.
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail on the world stage.
Back to home, I still want my home ? protection available. Nothing wrong with a 12 gauge Remington 870 or maybe an old 20 gauge shotgun for the wife, and I like my old revolvers but a little 9 mm semi isn't bad either. And firearms training is great.
To each his own........ just don't come uninvited after dark !
I'm right there with ya Pal...
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Pure Evil SCUM! This mother fucker!
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Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Come on, Woody. Vapor asked some significantly valid questions. Legit answers? You ask questions, but never answer them.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Come on, Woody. Vapor asked some significantly valid questions. Legit answers? You ask questions, but never answer them.
Still waiting Woody. Vapor asked you some legit questions.
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still waiting Woody., Why is it you only will ASK your dumb redirecting questions, but when you are asked VALID questions,
you run and hide?
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As much as I hate guns... I support peoples right to bear them.. in this day and age.. the need for them is greater...
As much as I hate guns... I support peoples right to bear them.. in this day and age.. the need for them is greater...
Guns are simply a tool, who and how they are used is the issue...there will always be a weapons issue people who wish to do evil will always find a way.
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The first documented mass shooting in the United States interestingly took place in 1949. I would like to see a timeline from that point on how many took place and the frequency.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/story-first-mass-murder-us-history-180956927/
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