America Has a Gun Problem
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Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
A couple of side points; first there's a huge difference between murder and suicide. Number two, making handguns completely illegal (for example) will increase their value on the street. leading to more incentive for the black market. Conversely legalizing opioids or crystal meth would take a lot of the risk out of it for those who manufacture smuggle and sell it.
WSS
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Plenty is already being done. There is no magic twanger utopian cure for evil people. Why not start a thread about knive violence?
Current laws need to be enforced. Gun registration solves absolutely nothing, except it would make haters happy to "get" the other side.
and it would help a corrupt gov like the one we have now, intimidate gun owners, and help them disarm Americans. Evil has always been. Illegal behavior has always been. Criminals break laws, good folks do not. going after the good folks to try to stem criminal violence is just either stupid, or belligerently political. The idea that every gun owner needs a psychiatric permission to be allowed to own a gun... it isn't a perfect science - all it would take is one liberal evaluator to decide that nobody is allowed to have a gun because no humans have the mental ability to never use a gun illegally.
Stupid laws that solve absolutely nothing seem to be all the rage with the left. Everything is political "got yas". ...."got ya" s. whatever.
There are around 10 times as many murders in the US caused by firearms than caused by knifes. Besides running down all of the other differences, this is a good place to start.
Yes, I know there is no "magic cure". I've said that many times. Your desire to do nothing because there is no "magic cure" just proves the point I've been making.
There are around 10 times as many murders in the US caused by firearms than caused by knifes. Besides running down all of the other differences, this is a good place to start.
Yes, I know there is no "magic cure". I've said that many times. Your desire to do nothing because there is no "magic cure" just proves the point I've been making.
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Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Come on, Woody. Vapor asked some significantly valid questions. Legit answers? You ask questions, but never answer them.
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Vapor had good points. Also, if the gun availability has always been there, how come we didn’t see school shootings and an explosion in inner city gun deaths before the last 20-30 years?
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I knew the response here would be "well, it's too late". Nothing is too late in reality. It just takes effort. I don't expect any changes because of lobbyists and our culture, but nothing is impossible.
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
I haven't looked yet but I'd bet there might be a YouTube on how to make a firearm rifle or pistol I know there are how tos on gunsmithing.
A friend of mine had one on reloading.
Now if they only had one on how to raise your nut ? job kid not to be a school shooter....... there are a lot of them out there,. adult ? ones too.
Sad commentary on our country today.
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Let me clue you in on something "BUTTHEAD" As long as there are Machinists and Blacksmiths... There'll be guns!...
Making fire arms is not all that hard to do...
I haven't looked yet but I'd bet there might be a YouTube on how to make a firearm rifle or pistol I know there are how tos on gunsmithing.
A friend of mine had one on reloading.
Now if they only had one on how to raise your nut ? job kid not to be a school shooter....... there are a lot of them out there,. adult ? ones too.
Sad commentary on our country today.
I haven't looked yet but I'd bet there might be a YouTube on how to make a firearm rifle or pistol I know there are how tos on gunsmithing.
A friend of mine had one on reloading.
Now if they only had one on how to raise your nut ? job kid not to be a school shooter....... there are a lot of them out there,. adult ? ones too.
Sad commentary on our country today.
Yeah... No ones excusing them by any means.. But fact of the matter is... Weapons have been around since the day of the neanderthals.. Weapons will continue to exist... It's part of our survival and defense mechanisms.. The big question I'm more concerned with.. is can we keep ourselves (Humanity) from blowing us up to smithereens via Nukes... I think thats the bigger challenge than whose got guns... Humanity always seems to always do it ass backwards...
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I haven't looked yet but I'd bet there might be a YouTube on how to make a firearm rifle or pistol I know there are how tos on gunsmithing.
A friend of mine had one on reloading.
Now if they only had one on how to raise your nut ? job kid not to be a school shooter....... there are a lot of them out there,. adult ? ones too.
Sad commentary on our country today.
Yeah... No ones excusing them by any means.. But fact of the matter is... Weapons have been around since the day of the neanderthals.. Weapons will continue to exist... It's part of our survival and defense mechanisms.. The big question I'm more concerned with.. is can we keep ourselves (Humanity) from blowing us up to smithereens via Nukes... I think thats the bigger challenge than whose got guns... Humanity always seems to always do it ass backwards...
Yeah... No ones excusing them by any means.. But fact of the matter is... Weapons have been around since the day of the neanderthals.. Weapons will continue to exist... It's part of our survival and defense mechanisms.. The big question I'm more concerned with.. is can we keep ourselves (Humanity) from blowing us up to smithereens via Nukes... I think thats the bigger challenge than whose got guns... Humanity always seems to always do it ass backwards...
The Palestinian vs Israeli decades old "war",. Russia on the Ukrainian doorstep. And others in every continent since sticks and stones and the metals on to the total war stage to the nuclear age and some crazy folks getting their hands on nukes.
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail on the world stage.
Back to home, I still want my home ? protection available. Nothing wrong with a 12 gauge Remington 870 or maybe an old 20 gauge shotgun for the wife, and I like my old revolvers but a little 9 mm semi isn't bad either. And firearms training is great.
To each his own........ just don't come uninvited after dark !
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Yeah... No ones excusing them by any means.. But fact of the matter is... Weapons have been around since the day of the neanderthals.. Weapons will continue to exist... It's part of our survival and defense mechanisms.. The big question I'm more concerned with.. is can we keep ourselves (Humanity) from blowing us up to smithereens via Nukes... I think thats the bigger challenge than whose got guns... Humanity always seems to always do it ass backwards...
The Palestinian vs Israeli decades old "war",. Russia on the Ukrainian doorstep. And others in every continent since sticks and stones and the metals on to the total war stage to the nuclear age and some crazy folks getting their hands on nukes.
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail on the world stage.
Back to home, I still want my home ? protection available. Nothing wrong with a 12 gauge Remington 870 or maybe an old 20 gauge shotgun for the wife, and I like my old revolvers but a little 9 mm semi isn't bad either. And firearms training is great.
To each his own........ just don't come uninvited after dark !
The Palestinian vs Israeli decades old "war",. Russia on the Ukrainian doorstep. And others in every continent since sticks and stones and the metals are to the total war stage to the nuclear age and some crazy folks getting their hands on nukes.
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail on the world stage.
Back to home, I still want my home ? protection available. Nothing wrong with a 12 gauge Remington 870 or maybe an old 20 gauge shotgun for the wife, and I like my old revolvers but a little 9 mm semi isn't bad either. And firearms training is great.
To each his own........ just don't come uninvited after dark !
I'm right there with ya Pal...
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Pure Evil SCUM! This mother fucker!
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Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Come on, Woody. Vapor asked some significantly valid questions. Legit answers? You ask questions, but never answer them.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Come on, Woody. Vapor asked some significantly valid questions. Legit answers? You ask questions, but never answer them.
Still waiting Woody. Vapor asked you some legit questions.
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still waiting Woody., Why is it you only will ASK your dumb redirecting questions, but when you are asked VALID questions,
you run and hide?
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As much as I hate guns... I support peoples right to bear them.. in this day and age.. the need for them is greater...
As much as I hate guns... I support peoples right to bear them.. in this day and age.. the need for them is greater...
Guns are simply a tool, who and how they are used is the issue...there will always be a weapons issue people who wish to do evil will always find a way.
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The first documented mass shooting in the United States interestingly took place in 1949. I would like to see a timeline from that point on how many took place and the frequency.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/story-first-mass-murder-us-history-180956927/
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"This is my rifle..." LOL
looks like somebody limited me to fewer upvotes. lol
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The first documented mass shooting in the United States interestingly took place in 1949. I would like to see a timeline from that point on how many took place and the frequency.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/story-first-mass-murder-us-history-180956927/
The first documented mass shooting in the United States interestingly took place in 1949. I would like to see a timeline from that point on how many took place and the frequency.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/story-first-mass-murder-us-history-180956927/
I would wager that it correlates to the expansion of mass media and the explosion of social media.
/edit - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
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Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
It seems to me, no matter what kind of regulation or law is passed, or actually enforced, people that want to get a gun will find a way to get one.
I don’t know how you can stop a criminal from getting their hands on a gun. The laws on the books sure are not stopping them. And any new law isn’t going to stop them either
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