America Has a Gun Problem
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Pure Evil SCUM! This mother fucker!
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Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.Â
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Come on, Woody. Vapor asked some significantly valid questions. Legit answers? You ask questions, but never answer them.
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.Â
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Come on, Woody. Vapor asked some significantly valid questions. Legit answers? You ask questions, but never answer them.
Still waiting Woody. Vapor asked you some legit questions.
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still waiting Woody., Why is it you only will ASK your dumb redirecting questions, but when you are asked VALID questions,
you run and hide?
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As much as I hate guns... I support peoples right to bear them.. in this day and age.. the need for them is greater...
As much as I hate guns... I support peoples right to bear them.. in this day and age.. the need for them is greater...
Guns are simply a tool, who and how they are used is the issue...there will always be a weapons issue people who wish to do evil will always find a way.
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The first documented mass shooting in the United States interestingly took place in 1949. I would like to see a timeline from that point on how many took place and the frequency.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/story-first-mass-murder-us-history-180956927/
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"This is my rifle..." LOL
looks like somebody limited me to fewer upvotes. lol
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The first documented mass shooting in the United States interestingly took place in 1949. I would like to see a timeline from that point on how many took place and the frequency.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/story-first-mass-murder-us-history-180956927/
The first documented mass shooting in the United States interestingly took place in 1949. I would like to see a timeline from that point on how many took place and the frequency.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/story-first-mass-murder-us-history-180956927/
I would wager that it correlates to the expansion of mass media and the explosion of social media.
/edit -Â https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
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Any law that can help reduce gun violence, either in a school or in the inner city, is a positive. The "whataboutism" with gang violence being used to make sure no meaningful change actually happens is just petty and purposefully misleading. Like how you can't want climate change laws if you aren't also constantly angry about the rain forest. Or how you can't advocate for civil rights here if you aren't constantly angry about places in the middle east attacking civil rights.Â
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.Â
Again, adding barriers to entry will help. Background checks. Wait times. Etc.Â
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
I've made your argument in the parentheses many times. Posters here would have you believe that they could defend against the US Military because they have an AR. They'll cite Vietnam or Afghanistan and not even consider why those are irrelevant. Defending against an intruder is one thing, defending against a government military is gun lover fetishism.Â
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.Â
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
It seems to me, no matter what kind of regulation or law is passed, or actually enforced,  people that want to get a gun will find a way to get one.Â
I don’t know how you can stop a criminal from getting their hands on a gun. The laws on the books sure are not stopping them. And any new law isn’t going to stop them either
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Critiquing the opinion you've presented is not "whataboutism." The vast majority of gun violence is urban homicide and rural/suburban suicide. When you post graphs that show gun crime in the US compared to other nations in the context of a recent school shooting, and in reducing each of these individual problems into "the gun problem," you've invited yourself to the pushback you've received.Â
Can you give specifics as to how that will be helpful?
If you're going to assert that those insurgencies are irrelevant, then I would like to hear your argument as to why. As well as the answer to these questions I asked earlier:
First, if you are for stricter regulations, then what segment of the American populace should have their 2nd amendment right revoked? Secondly, suppose that somehow those stricter regulations happen, what is your plan to keep these newly restricted people from getting their hands on one of the 500 million firearms circulating in the country?
It seems to me, no matter what kind of regulation or law is passed, or actually enforced,  people that want to get a gun will find a way to get one.Â
I don’t know how you can stop a criminal from getting their hands on a gun. The laws on the books sure are not stopping them. And any new law isn’t going to stop them either
ÂIt seems to me, no matter what kind of regulation or law is passed, or actually enforced,  people that want to get a gun will find a way to get one.Â
I don’t know how you can stop a criminal from getting their hands on a gun. The laws on the books sure are not stopping them. And any new law isn’t going to stop them either
ÂWhen you have people willing to mass murder people with guns then willing to turn the gun on themselves, what law can you pass that would punish/deter the shooter? When you have someone that is willing to die, you literally have nothing to hang over their head.Â
I would wager that it correlates to the expansion of mass media and the explosion of social media.
/edit -Â https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
Mass shootings started well before mass media and mass social media. Free will, guns, and social media do not mix well. But once the genie was let out of the bottle, I'm afraid there is no going back. Once Columbine happened, that's when things really started to go downhill. Like I said before, get yourself armed, be aware of your surroundings, and stay out of trouble. Â
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It seems to me, no matter what kind of regulation or law is passed, or actually enforced,  people that want to get a gun will find a way to get one.Â
I don’t know how you can stop a criminal from getting their hands on a gun. The laws on the books sure are not stopping them. And any new law isn’t going to stop them either
ÂWhen you have people willing to mass murder people with guns then willing to turn the gun on themselves, what law can you pass that would punish/deter the shooter? When you have someone that is willing to die, you literally have nothing to hang over their head.Â
I would wager that it correlates to the expansion of mass media and the explosion of social media.
/edit -Â https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
Mass shootings started well before mass media and mass social media. Free will, guns, and social media do not mix well. But once the genie was let out of the bottle, I'm afraid there is no going back. Once Columbine happened, that's when things really started to go downhill. Like I said before, get yourself armed, be aware of your surroundings, and stay out of trouble. Â
When you have people willing to mass murder people with guns then willing to turn the gun on themselves, what law can you pass that would punish/deter the shooter? When you have someone that is willing to die, you literally have nothing to hang over their head.Â
Mass shootings started well before mass media and mass social media. Free will, guns, and social media do not mix well. But once the genie was let out of the bottle, I'm afraid there is no going back. Once Columbine happened, that's when things really started to go downhill. Like I said before, get yourself armed, be aware of your surroundings, and stay out of trouble. Â
I think that's true. Still I would urge a requirement for some kind of gun training for anyone wanting a concealed carry license. I have no problem with people carrying but I would rather they had some sort of knowledge about the weapon.
WSSÂ
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When you have people willing to mass murder people with guns then willing to turn the gun on themselves, what law can you pass that would punish/deter the shooter? When you have someone that is willing to die, you literally have nothing to hang over their head.Â
Mass shootings started well before mass media and mass social media. Free will, guns, and social media do not mix well. But once the genie was let out of the bottle, I'm afraid there is no going back. Once Columbine happened, that's when things really started to go downhill. Like I said before, get yourself armed, be aware of your surroundings, and stay out of trouble. Â
I think that's true. Still I would urge a requirement for some kind of gun training for anyone wanting a concealed carry license. I have no problem with people carrying but I would rather they had some sort of knowledge about the weapon.
WSSÂ
I think that's true. Still I would urge a requirement for some kind of gun training for anyone wanting a concealed carry license. I have no problem with people carrying but I would rather they had some sort of knowledge about the weapon.
WSSÂ
I say throw out the concealed license and just make it a law to have 'gun license" You should not only have to take an overall gun safety class, but you should also have to be trained and certified for every class of weapon you wish to buy. If you buy an AR-15, you should be trained and certified in that class of weapon, and the same for shotguns. And maybe even have to re-certify after so long.
Once you have your gun license and it says that you are certified in the class of firearm you have then you should be allowed to carry it concealed.Â
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I think that's true. Still I would urge a requirement for some kind of gun training for anyone wanting a concealed carry license. I have no problem with people carrying but I would rather they had some sort of knowledge about the weapon.
WSSÂ
I say throw out the concealed license and just make it a law to have 'gun license" You should not only have to take an overall gun safety class, but you should also have to be trained and certified for every class of weapon you wish to buy. If you buy an AR-15, you should be trained and certified in that class of weapon, and the same for shotguns. And maybe even have to re-certify after so long.
Once you have your gun license and it says that you are certified in the class of firearm you have then you should be allowed to carry it concealed.Â
I say throw out the concealed license and just make it a law to have 'gun license" You should not only have to take an overall gun safety class, but you should also have to be trained and certified for every class of weapon you wish to buy. If you buy an AR-15, you should be trained and certified in that class of weapon, and the same for shotguns. And maybe even have to re-certify after so long.
Once you have your gun license and it says that you are certified in the class of firearm you have then you should be allowed to carry it concealed.Â
I can live with that. The Specter of the slippery slope always exists but one has to start somewhere.
WSS
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Constitutional carry.  MAGA!
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I think that's true. Still I would urge a requirement for some kind of gun training for anyone wanting a concealed carry license. I have no problem with people carrying but I would rather they had some sort of knowledge about the weapon.
WSSÂ
I say throw out the concealed license and just make it a law to have 'gun license" You should not only have to take an overall gun safety class, but you should also have to be trained and certified for every class of weapon you wish to buy. If you buy an AR-15, you should be trained and certified in that class of weapon, and the same for shotguns. And maybe even have to re-certify after so long.
Once you have your gun license and it says that you are certified in the class of firearm you have then you should be allowed to carry it concealed.Â
I say throw out the concealed license and just make it a law to have 'gun license" You should not only have to take an overall gun safety class, but you should also have to be trained and certified for every class of weapon you wish to buy. If you buy an AR-15, you should be trained and certified in that class of weapon, and the same for shotguns. And maybe even have to re-certify after so long.
Once you have your gun license and it says that you are certified in the class of firearm you have then you should be allowed to carry it concealed.Â
So basically a driver's license but for guns. Seems like a step in the right direction.Â
Do you think individuals have a legitimate case to actually own AR 15s though? And if so, what is that case?
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And vapor i know i still need to respond to you. That's on me
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
The problem with the second amendment is that it is so VAGUE. It say you have the right to keep and bear "Arms" , it says nothing about ammunition. You could in theory ban the mass production of ammo or ammo altogether? It even says it in the amendment "ARMS" , does not say anything about "Firearms" And technically, a gun can exist without the ammo. Ammo is not part of the gun itself but a consumable.
Also, it does not define "Infringe" So, technically gun laws don't infringe the 2nd amendment because in the end they still allow possession of a gun.?
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I say throw out the concealed license and just make it a law to have 'gun license" You should not only have to take an overall gun safety class, but you should also have to be trained and certified for every class of weapon you wish to buy. If you buy an AR-15, you should be trained and certified in that class of weapon, and the same for shotguns. And maybe even have to re-certify after so long.
Once you have your gun license and it says that you are certified in the class of firearm you have then you should be allowed to carry it concealed.Â
So basically a driver's license but for guns. Seems like a step in the right direction.Â
Do you think individuals have a legitimate case to actually own AR 15s though? And if so, what is that case?
So basically a driver's license but for guns. Seems like a step in the right direction.Â
Do you think individuals have a legitimate case to actually own AR 15s though? And if so, what is that case?
My idea was that if you want to own a particular gun, you get trained and certified in that class. Pistols, semi-automatic rifles like AR's and AK's, shotguns, long guns like bolt action rifles. You don't pass the course, you don't get it and it's illegal for you to own it. Passing a handgun course should not be that difficult for most 90% plus of people. And let's face it, if you can't pass a simple handgun course, you should not be handling AR-15's and shotguns. I do not believe my idea infringes the 2nd amendment because the end result is you get to carry a weapon. It's not a CURE ALL but it is a common sense step in the right direction.
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