BROWNS OFFICIAL CUTS
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Per ESPN:
Browns: Cutdown analysis
September 5, 2009 6:40 PM
Posted by ESPN.com’s James Walker
Biggest surprise: The Browns released some veterans they hoped would contribute more to the team this year in receiver David Patten and cornerback Corey Ivy. Both signed in Cleveland as free agents to provide veteran stability, but neither played well enough in training camp or the preseason. Ivy was one of the extra cornerbacks in Cleveland’s sub packages, and now the team needs to find someone else to fill that role before next week’s game against the Minnesota Vikings. The Browns also made enough cuts to leave one roster spot available, which means they’re up to something in the coming days.
No-brainers: Reports began to circulate in the past 24 hours that starting tailback Jamal Lewis would be released Saturday by the Browns. But that proved to be nothing more than a rumor. The Browns have no proven talent behind Lewis and would have gone into the season with a rookie sixth-round pick -- James Davis -- as their starting running back. Plus, the Browns paid Lewis a sizable roster bonus this offseason and would have taken a significant cap hit as a result. Piecing it all together, it made the most sense for Cleveland to keep Lewis.
What’s next: As evident by their open roster spot, the Browns should be one of the more active teams in the next 48 hours. Compared to the rest of the AFC North, Cleveland is lacking overall depth and talent at several positions. Browns head coach Eric Mangini has a penchant for acquiring his former players. So look for the Browns to experience some turnover at the bottom of their roster for veterans Mangini is familiar with.
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Browns reached an injury settlement with Melila Purcell (per NFL Network scroll). I wonder if they plan on bringing him back later???
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maybe this is why we went down to 52. Make room for him and then *MAYBE* Some trade coming up after.
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/browns/2009/09...er-claim-on-qb/
Browns put in waiver claim on QB
by Marla Ridenour on September 3, 2009
The Boston Globe reported that the Browns were one of four teams who put in a waiver claim Wednesday on New England quarterback Kevin O'Connell, a third-round pick in 2008.
Detroit got him by virtue of its 0-16 record last season.
According to the Herald, the Denver Broncos and New York Jets also tried to obtain O'Connell.
Former Browns defensive lineman Louis Leonard told the Rock Hill (S.C.) Herald that he was getting a pedicure in a Cleveland nail salon when his agent called him to tell him he'd been traded to the Carolina Panthers. Leonard was dealt Tuesday for an undisclosed draft choice.
maybe this is why we went down to 52. Make room for him and then *MAYBE* Some trade coming up after.
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/browns/2009/09...er-claim-on-qb/
Browns put in waiver claim on QB
by Marla Ridenour on September 3, 2009
The Boston Globe reported that the Browns were one of four teams who put in a waiver claim Wednesday on New England quarterback Kevin O'Connell, a third-round pick in 2008.
Detroit got him by virtue of its 0-16 record last season.
According to the Herald, the Denver Broncos and New York Jets also tried to obtain O'Connell.
Former Browns defensive lineman Louis Leonard told the Rock Hill (S.C.) Herald that he was getting a pedicure in a Cleveland nail salon when his agent called him to tell him he'd been traded to the Carolina Panthers. Leonard was dealt Tuesday for an undisclosed draft choice.
Make room for who?!?!?
You do realize that we missed O'Connell on the waiver claim, right?
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I'm trying to get a look at position by position breakdown. Surprised they keeped only 5 receivers unless I missed something. I guess Patton is always out there if they have an injury. He stays in playing shape year around.
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How the breakdown in positions is a little interesting:
10 DB's
10 LB's
6 DL's
26 total defensive players
8 OL's
5 WR's
3 RB's
3 TE's
3 QB's
1 FB
23 total offensive players
1 P
1 K
1 LS
3 total special team players
I would expect the #53 guy to be on the offensive side, likely an OL guy.
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One other nice thing....sixth round pick CB Don Carey was the only draftee that did not make the squad. Nice to see all of them make it.
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Well, well, well....whadda ya know. Jamal Lewis was not cut.
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
PFT reporting that the Lions have cut Shaun Smith.
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Well, well, well....whadda ya know. Jamal Lewis was not cut.
I wouldn't celebrate too much either way on this one. If he makes the team and averages under 3 yards a carry - it's really not going to help us. I know some people thinking he's still the same back ready for 2000 yards but then there's those that have watched him struggle to reach the holes before they close this preseason The RB that loses the step or two or three isn't one with upside. He's running too upright and it's taking him an eternity to reach the line of scrimmage. He looks better on the screen passes but who hasn't?
As I commented in the Mary Kay post - I would have had mixed feelings if he got cut. It sounded like he's been a tremendous help to James Davis. Understanding that, he also took Harrison under his wing conditioning last year. That's the part that gives me the warm fuzzies about leadership and attitude. That said, I don't want him turning into Trent Doofus with his unwillingness to accept the demotion if one is coming. Make sense?
Bottom line: the barometer in our division is set at Baltimore and Pittsburgh convenient or not. Lewis couldn't make either one of those teams at RB right now. I think him making the team says we're emaciated at the RB depth. That's HOW you sign a RB released by his last Canadian Football Team. Doesn't mean Lewis rocked the house by any means. Me agrees with Riff and even those columnists that think we need to sign a young back capable of upside. If James Davis goes down to injury we're pretty much FUBAR.
- Tom F.
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Active Roster
20 Adams, Mike DB 5-11 200 03/24/1981 6 Delaware
26 Elam, Abram DB 6-0 207 10/05/1981 4 Kent State
25 Francies, Coye DB 6-0 185 11/15/1986 R San Jose State
30 Lawson, Gerard DB 5-10 195 01/12/1985 2 Oregon State
39 Lockett, Bret DB 6-1 211 10/07/1986 R UCLA
22 McDonald, Brandon DB 5-10 185 08/26/1985 3 Memphis
21 Pool, Brodney DB 6-2 210 05/24/1984 5 Oklahoma
23 Poteat, Hank DB 5-10 195 08/31/1977 8 Pitt
27 Sorensen, Nick DB 6-3 210 07/31/1978 9 Virginia Tech
24 Wright, Eric DB 5-10 190 07/24/1985 3 UNLV
90 Coleman, Kenyon DL 6-5 295 04/10/1979 8 UCLA
69 Mosley, C.J. DL 6-3 305 08/06/1983 5 Missouri
92 Rogers, Shaun DL 6-4 350 03/12/1979 9 Texas
71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 07/25/1986 2 Iowa State
98 Smith, Robaire DL 6-5 310 11/15/1977 10 Michigan St.
99 Williams, Corey DL 6-4 320 08/17/1980 6 Arkansas State
47 Vickers, Lawrence FB 6-0 250 05/08/1983 4 Colorado
4 Dawson, Phil K 5-11 200 01/23/1975 11 Texas
50 Barton, Eric LB 6-2 245 09/29/1977 11 Maryland
49 Benard, Marcus LB 6-2 256 07/26/1985 R Jackson State
96 Bowens, David LB 6-3 265 07/03/1977 10 Western Illinois
44 Costanzo, Blake LB 6-2 235 04/14/1984 3 Lafayette
51 Hall, Alex LB 6-5 250 08/17/1985 2 St. Augustine
52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 09/26/1983 4 Maryland
56 Maiava, Kaluka LB 6-0 229 03/22/1987 R USC
57 Veikune, David LB 6-2 257 12/12/1985 R Hawaii
94 Williams, Leon LB 6-2 250 07/30/1983 4 Miami (Fla.)
95 Wimbley, Kamerion LB 6-3 255 10/13/1983 4 Florida State
64 Pontbriand, Ryan LS 6-2 255 10/01/1979 7 Rice
66 Fraley, Hank OL 6-3 310 09/21/1977 10 Robert Morris
70 Hadnot, Rex OL 6-2 320 01/28/1982 6 Houston
79 Hilliard, Corey OL 6-6 300 04/26/1985 3 Oklahoma State
55 Mack, Alex OL 6-4 311 11/19/1985 R Cal
78 St. Clair, John OL 6-6 320 07/15/1977 10 Virginia
65 Steinbach, Eric OL 6-6 295 04/04/1980 7 Iowa
73 Thomas, Joe OL 6-6 312 12/04/1984 3 Wisconsin
77 Womack, Floyd OL 6-4 328 11/15/1978 9 Mississippi State
15 Zastudil, Dave P 6-3 220 10/26/1978 8 Ohio
3 Anderson, Derek QB 6-6 230 06/15/1983 5 Oregon State
10 Quinn, Brady QB 6-3 235 10/27/1984 3 Notre Dame
5 Ratliff, Brett QB 6-4 224 08/08/1985 1 Utah
28 Davis, James RB 5-11 218 01/01/1986 R Clemson
35 Harrison, Jerome RB 5-9 205 02/26/1983 4 Washington State
31 Lewis, Jamal RB 5-11 245 08/26/1979 10 Tennessee
82 Heiden, Steve TE 6-5 270 09/21/1976 11 South Dakota State
84 Royal, Robert TE 6-4 257 05/15/1978 8 LSU
86 Rucker, Martin TE 6-5 260 05/04/1985 2 Missouri
16 Cribbs, Joshua WR 6-1 215 06/09/1983 5 Kent State
17 Edwards, Braylon WR 6-3 215 02/21/1983 5 Michigan
88 Furrey, Mike WR 6-0 195 05/12/1977 7 Northern Iowa
11 Massaquoi, Mohamed WR 6-2 207 11/24/1986 R Georgia
80 Robiskie, Brian WR 6-3 209 12/03/1987 R Ohio State
Reserve - Injured
72 Tucker, Ryan OL 6-6 315 06/12/1975 13 TCU
68 Weary, Fred OL 6-4 307 09/30/1977 8 Tennessee
I believe I would have made room for Patten. I don't understand keeping 10 backers, especially Leon Williams. One thing is for sure, Mangie loves special teams guys.
Who the hell is Corey Hilliard?
The Ike Sowells reign is over with.
I'm also a little concerned about Ali being cut, he was a pretty solid backup.
They obviously decided to go with youth in the defensive backfield by keeping Lockett, Francies and Lawson. Poteat can play both corner and safety and Sorenson is a staple at ST's. It was smart to bring in Hood and Ivy but there were no injuries and the kids showed more.
They have to bring in another lineman because Hadnot is not ready to play yet.
Bartel clearly was better than Ratliff all camp long, but does it really matter? Maybe Mangie is not totally the best player wins the competition huh? It would look silly to cut Ratliff for a guy named Bartel after trading for him.
As for the backs I'd like to see them go after Tyrell Sutton and stash both him and Jennings on the practice squad along with Walker and possibly Leggett. Having only 3 backs and one FB makes it pretty thin, especially if a couple of injuries hit fast. It would be nice to have a couple backs on the PS that know the system.
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What I am kinda expecting is you will see us slowly start switching to a two back system with Harrison or Davis taking over the primary runner position and Jamal taking 3rd down and goal line. This way Jamal can still show these guys how to play and be a positive influence on them. I do think this will be the end of the road for him though. Just my thoughts on it.
**************************************************************** I don't care who the QB is as long as we are WINNING!!!!!!! 0-0 Start fresh and go from there!!! Dan -
Does this officially end the Glue Hands Hubbard Era?
Such a deep question: But hey, the guy is really big and fast.
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What I am kinda expecting is you will see us slowly start switching to a two back system with Harrison or Davis taking over the primary runner position and Jamal taking 3rd down and goal line. This way Jamal can still show these guys how to play and be a positive influence on them. I do think this will be the end of the road for him though. Just my thoughts on it.
What I am kinda expecting is you will see us slowly start switching to a two back system with Harrison or Davis taking over the primary runner position and Jamal taking 3rd down and goal line. This way Jamal can still show these guys how to play and be a positive influence on them. I do think this will be the end of the road for him though. Just my thoughts on it.
TRUE.
When you think about what he'll earn this year counting his roster bonus - he's prolly outearning every one of our coaches except Mangini. If all he's going to stick around for is coaching the younger guys - it makes sense to compare his earnings with others doing that. I watch this guy try to get it going and my first impression is "ouch." This guy looks like his body is telling him it doesn't want to run anymore but the competitive athlete in him is fighting the signals. I'm just trying to be honest about what I'm seeing.
If the PLAYERS want free agency in this era they gotta be prepared to understand the cruel bottom lines when it's time. This ain't the 60s, 70s or 80s where you watched a player develop and mature into something special and remain here for all 10 years. This guy actually lit us up when he was at the top of his game. He doesn't look anything like that. I liked his 2007 season for us because there was a bit of a comeback. Last year showed me the same guy Baltimore determined wasn't the SAME Jamal they once had. And now it's a year later. In dawg years, it's looking more like 7 years later right about now.
I don't think we OWE anybody anything at this time. There's one exception and his name is Josh Cribbs.
- Tom F.
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Well, well, well....whadda ya know. Jamal Lewis was not cut.
I wouldn't celebrate too much either way on this one. If he makes the team and averages under 3 yards a carry - it's really not going to help us. I know some people thinking he's still the same back ready for 2000 yards but then there's those that have watched him struggle to reach the holes before they close this preseason The RB that loses the step or two or three isn't one with upside. He's running too upright and it's taking him an eternity to reach the line of scrimmage. He looks better on the screen passes but who hasn't?
As I commented in the Mary Kay post - I would have had mixed feelings if he got cut. It sounded like he's been a tremendous help to James Davis. Understanding that, he also took Harrison under his wing conditioning last year. That's the part that gives me the warm fuzzies about leadership and attitude. That said, I don't want him turning into Trent Doofus with his unwillingness to accept the demotion if one is coming. Make sense?
Bottom line: the barometer in our division is set at Baltimore and Pittsburgh convenient or not. Lewis couldn't make either one of those teams at RB right now. I think him making the team says we're emaciated at the RB depth. That's HOW you sign a RB released by his last Canadian Football Team. Doesn't mean Lewis rocked the house by any means. Me agrees with Riff and even those columnists that think we need to sign a young back capable of upside. If James Davis goes down to injury we're pretty much FUBAR.
- Tom F.
I wouldn't celebrate too much either way on this one. If he makes the team and averages under 3 yards a carry - it's really not going to help us. I know some people thinking he's still the same back ready for 2000 yards
I would be shocked if there was a fan who thought Lewis is the same back that ran for 2000 yards or even thinks Jamal has that in him.
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I agree, along with Lewis's getting older, is the manhandling of the middle and right side
of the offensive line back then, and the unimaginitive play-calling, drops by Edwards, and poor throws
by DA, especially on the shorter throws.
Give Mangini credit, imho, to see that. Furrey takes pressure off Edwards, that's a major reason the Browns
drafted Mack, we FINALLY see SCREENS being called, Quinn will start...
...and involving James Davis in the offensive backfield NOW (Thank You, Mangini ! "sniff"),
takes the pressure and attention off of Lewis.
He's lost a st.. no, lost two whole steps maybe, but he has the veteran leadership, the power,
and enough of "it" to make plays.
But I agree, having James Davis and Lewis, both in the backfield, will give
defenses fits. They will NOT know what is going to be called.
Add in Mass and Rob and Cribs and Quinn's intelligence and versatility,
defenses will worry about the new Browns offense and play calling.
No more simplistic and boring baloney.
Can't wait til the first regular season game to see it for real !
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Do you think we keep 2 of those 3 cut WR's on the practice squad?
Hubbard was already on the Practice Squad once, and was on the roster last year... not sure he's allowed to be on the practice squad anymore?
Further... they have a roster spot open. Who do you think they pick up to fill it?
Hubbard was already on the Practice Squad once, and was on the roster last year... not sure he's allowed to be on the practice squad anymore?
Further... they have a roster spot open. Who do you think they pick up to fill it?
You have to play 6 games on the roster to not be P-Squad eligible
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agreed about Ali, and thought Titus and Leggett showed potential. hope they both stick around.
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Well, well, well....whadda ya know. Jamal Lewis was not cut.
there was never a doubt in my mind. tear it up Jamal!
Jones had a career year @ 30 under Mangenie, he obviously knows how to utilize mature backs well.
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