Baker Mayfield
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Except his wife wants a big city market. He is NOT coming to Cleveland
So who then? NYG?
So who then? NYG?
That was the rumor.
Then he came out and said he ain't leaving and plans to be in Seattle for 20 more years
Type his name into Google though. 20 teams names pop up as reported suitors.
Sounds like a massive price tag to me. And he just lost to the Bears... Against Nick Foles.
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Except his wife wants a big city market. He is NOT coming to Cleveland
So who then? NYG?
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I won't lie, I chuckled when I came across this today....
I won't lie, I chuckled when I came across this today....
It was Christmas. The season of giving
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Browns already picked up Baker's 5th year option, so he's locked in as starting QB next year, whether we like it or not Berry and co. have the philosophy of building through the draft, so unless the Browns get an amazing sweetheart deal from another team, picking up an established QB like Rodgers or Wilson is highly unlikely due to the cost. Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
I’d pass on this “Riddle” guy whoever that is ?
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Browns already picked up Baker's 5th year option, so he's locked in as starting QB next year, whether we like it or not Berry and co. have the philosophy of building through the draft, so unless the Browns get an amazing sweetheart deal from another team, picking up an established QB like Rodgers or Wilson is highly unlikely due to the cost. Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
Well thought out/fair post...
So we have our system QB in 26 y.o. Nick Mullins... size says 6' 1" (which looks shorter walking up to full grown *** men in the trenches)
I'm a favorite of accurate 6'3/6'4 QB's... Mayfield/Mullins all read of size just over 6ft...(bs) Corral/Zappe/Howell/Willis fall into here
So we need to agree on a better than< Nick Mullins future? Drafting such in 2nd or 3rd round? (Much after pick 50-75 is a real dice roll in this draft totally)
Pickett 6'3'.... Ridder 6'4.....Carson Strong 6'4"..... Tanner McKee 6'6"
Well... I think I may have a 4 man list? ?
Nick Mullins--- Undrafted... from Brett Farve St of Southern Miss.... Verse a Fab 4? stay tuned......
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OK here's a cheap shot from somebody who has been on a variety of Browns Boards since the Dark Days.
Dorsey screwed up two ways, IMHO: Trading for OBJ and drafting Baker Mayfield.
Baker may, or may not, have the arm and physical tools to be a top-tier NFL QB. However, he has little to nothing between the ears.
If the Browns do or did extend him, I believe it is a mistake. Talk about his injuries all you want.
He is WAY overhyped. MAYBE in the middle-third of starting QBs. Maybe in the bottom third.
I just can't keep my feelings under wraps any longer
FWIW, have a Happy and Healthy 2022 to all but - especially - to those who have been around since the aol days.
"God is great. Beer is good. People are crazy." -
I’d pass on this “Riddle” guy whoever that is ?
Well, he's the quarterback of THE Cincinnati Bearcats. You'll have a chance to scout him this Friday when they play Alabama in the National semifinals.
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Just say no to Mitchell Trubisky.
Nick Mullins ain’t the guy and has never been the guy.
Deshaun Watson…Is intriguing…although comes with a price tag and whatever baggage he may or may not be cleared of. So I’m leaning to no…and by some accounts he is touch passer (not a rifle arm that is needed off the shores of Lake Erie).
Jimmy G.- is a better or worse version of Baker Mayfield depending on the Sunday.
and now the they won’t come here because it is the Browns…But why…you have arguably the best lines and backfield in all of football and WR corp that can be fixed/patched up quickly.
Aaron Rodgers- has he mended the fence with the Packers FO? If it is no- he’s got to be in play. We have some guys in their prime the time is now.
Russ- has never had a line or backfield that he would have in Cleveland. Can live here from August to January and then be anywhere else he wants. Is he sticking around post Pete (he’s a goner in a couple weeks).
Draftees- Pickett (first round) and Tanner Morgan (3rd day gamble) both worth developing IMO.
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OK here's a cheap shot from somebody who has been on a variety of Browns Boards since the Dark Days.
Dorsey screwed up two ways, IMHO: Trading for OBJ and drafting Baker Mayfield.
Baker may, or may not, have the arm and physical tools to be a top-tier NFL QB. However, he has little to nothing between the ears.
If the Browns do or did extend him, I believe it is a mistake. Talk about his injuries all you want.
He is WAY overhyped. MAYBE in the middle-third of starting QBs. Maybe in the bottom third.
I just can't keep my feelings under wraps any longer
FWIW, have a Happy and Healthy 2022 to all but - especially - to those who have been around since the aol days.
OK here's a cheap shot from somebody who has been on a variety of Browns Boards since the Dark Days.
Dorsey screwed up two ways, IMHO: Trading for OBJ and drafting Baker Mayfield.
Baker may, or may not, have the arm and physical tools to be a top-tier NFL QB. However, he has little to nothing between the ears.
If the Browns do or did extend him, I believe it is a mistake. Talk about his injuries all you want.
He is WAY overhyped. MAYBE in the middle-third of starting QBs. Maybe in the bottom third.
I just can't keep my feelings under wraps any longer
FWIW, have a Happy and Healthy 2022 to all but - especially - to those who have been around since the aol days.
Great to see you post again John. Hope life has been treating you well.
FWIW, I don't much fault picking up OBJ or Baker. Kyler Murray came out of the same college and system, seems to be doing OK, and he's even shorter than Mayfield.
If you've been following, our resident film breakdown guru has well documented Baker's numerous failures to make post snap adjustments to what the defense is doing though.
We could have done a lot worse than Baker in 2018. Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen qualify as first round busts. Cal's fave Josh Allen has miraculously improved his accuracy, and it remains to be seen how good Lamar Jackson will be when he no longer has the wheels of a Kareem Hunt.
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OK here's a cheap shot from somebody who has been on a variety of Browns Boards since the Dark Days.
Dorsey screwed up two ways, IMHO: Trading for OBJ and drafting Baker Mayfield.
Baker may, or may not, have the arm and physical tools to be a top-tier NFL QB. However, he has little to nothing between the ears.
If the Browns do or did extend him, I believe it is a mistake. Talk about his injuries all you want.
He is WAY overhyped. MAYBE in the middle-third of starting QBs. Maybe in the bottom third.
I just can't keep my feelings under wraps any longer
FWIW, have a Happy and Healthy 2022 to all but - especially - to those who have been around since the aol days.
Great to see you post again John. Hope life has been treating you well.
FWIW, I don't much fault picking up OBJ or Baker. Kyler Murray came out of the same college and system, seems to be doing OK, and he's even shorter than Mayfield.
If you've been following, our resident film breakdown guru has well documented Baker's numerous failures to make post snap adjustments to what the defense is doing though.
We could have done a lot worse than Baker in 2018. Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen qualify as first round busts. Cal's fave Josh Allen has miraculously improved his accuracy, and it remains to be seen how good Lamar Jackson will be when he no longer has the wheels of a Kareem Hunt.
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OK here's a cheap shot from somebody who has been on a variety of Browns Boards since the Dark Days.
Dorsey screwed up two ways, IMHO: Trading for OBJ and drafting Baker Mayfield.
Baker may, or may not, have the arm and physical tools to be a top-tier NFL QB. However, he has little to nothing between the ears.
If the Browns do or did extend him, I believe it is a mistake. Talk about his injuries all you want.
He is WAY overhyped. MAYBE in the middle-third of starting QBs. Maybe in the bottom third.
I just can't keep my feelings under wraps any longer
FWIW, have a Happy and Healthy 2022 to all but - especially - to those who have been around since the aol days.
Great to see you post again John. Hope life has been treating you well.
FWIW, I don't much fault picking up OBJ or Baker. Kyler Murray came out of the same college and system, seems to be doing OK, and he's even shorter than Mayfield.
If you've been following, our resident film breakdown guru has well documented Baker's numerous failures to make post snap adjustments to what the defense is doing though.
We could have done a lot worse than Baker in 2018. Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen qualify as first round busts. Cal's fave Josh Allen has miraculously improved his accuracy, and it remains to be seen how good Lamar Jackson will be when he no longer has the wheels of a Kareem Hunt.
Great to see you post again John. Hope life has been treating you well.
Same to you, Larry. Also to your Little Feat - lovin' wife!
I take no pride in coming out of hibernation, only to blast the Browns. I'd like nothing better than for Mayfield to prove me wrong and for folks to tell me I was wrong, wrong, wrong. Lord knows, folks around here are laughing at me for predicting the Browns would be playing in the AFC Championship Game this year.
PS Did the OBJ pickup remind you of the Andre Rison acquisition - the outcomes, at least.
Health and Happiness in 2022
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Notes:
Tanner Morgan is interesting, but he's reportedly staying in school for '22.
I think Baker was terrific last year, when he had a non-pouting obj with Landry.
But after being hurt, it's high draft choice. He can't be himself, and the Browns don't have a legit
number one.
Hoorta mentioned Murray - he is doing great - the difference, to me, is that Murray has Christian Kirk, similar to Jarvis Landry as a #2....and Murray has A. J. Green, 6'4" previously 4th overall pick by the Bengals as his number one. And, of course, Murray can flat out run for yardage too.
Baker has been playing hurt, not himself, and Baker healthy with a big, fast #1 WR would have a much easier time to make the offense roar. Aaron Rodgers has Devonte Adams. Without Adams, Rodgers would have a LOT harder time.
I believe we can see the Baker last year, when they went to the playoffs, next year after he gets his freakin surgery.... so I guess they will sign a veteran backup qb (Keenum surely will retire, maybe we'll find out why they never let Keenum step up).
First or second round, WR in the spring NFL draft. After that, who knows. The stupidest think Baker has done this season, is to whip his left arm out to stop a guy flying the other direction with an int.
With all the criticism of Baker, I still think he is a fine steering wheel to the car. That last game was a debacle, including Baker's struggles to throw well most of the time. But, the oline is the engine, and it was missing 4 of five starting pistons.
And, as been all season, the wr group, the car has been missing one tire the whole time.
The only saving grace for the Browns, is that they have one of the most excellent transmissions, the running backs, in the league.
You don't fix the tires by changing the steering wheel.
So, there ya go...that's how I see it.
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Tanner Morgan is interesting, but he's reportedly staying in school for '22.
I think Baker was terrific last year, when he had a non-pouting obj with Landry.
But after being hurt, it's high draft choice. He can't be himself, and the Browns don't have a legit
number one.
Hoorta mentioned Murray - he is doing great - the difference, to me, is that Murray has Christian Kirk, similar to Jarvis Landry as a #2....and Murray has A. J. Green, 6'4" previously 4th overall pick by the Bengals as his number one. And, of course, Murray can flat out run for yardage too.
Baker has been playing hurt, not himself, and Baker healthy with a big, fast #1 WR would have a much easier time to make the offense roar. Aaron Rodgers has Devonte Adams. Without Adams, Rodgers would have a LOT harder time.
I believe we can see the Baker last year, when they went to the playoffs, next year after he gets his freakin surgery.... so I guess they will sign a veteran backup qb (Keenum surely will retire, maybe we'll find out why they never let Keenum step up).
First or second round, WR in the spring NFL draft. After that, who knows. The stupidest think Baker has done this season, is to whip his left arm out to stop a guy flying the other direction with an int.
With all the criticism of Baker, I still think he is a fine steering wheel to the car. That last game was a debacle, including Baker's struggles to throw well most of the time. But, the oline is the engine, and it was missing 4 of five starting pistons.
And, as been all season, the wr group, the car has been missing one tire the whole time.
The only saving grace for the Browns, is that they have one of the most excellent transmissions, the running backs, in the league.
You don't fix the tires by changing the steering wheel.
So, there ya go...that's how I see it.
Notes:
Tanner Morgan is interesting, but he's reportedly staying in school for '22.
I think Baker was terrific last year, when he had a non-pouting obj with Landry.
But after being hurt, it's high draft choice. He can't be himself, and the Browns don't have a legit
number one.
Hoorta mentioned Murray - he is doing great - the difference, to me, is that Murray has Christian Kirk, similar to Jarvis Landry as a #2....and Murray has A. J. Green, 6'4" previously 4th overall pick by the Bengals as his number one. And, of course, Murray can flat out run for yardage too.
Baker has been playing hurt, not himself, and Baker healthy with a big, fast #1 WR would have a much easier time to make the offense roar. Aaron Rodgers has Devonte Adams. Without Adams, Rodgers would have a LOT harder time.
I believe we can see the Baker last year, when they went to the playoffs, next year after he gets his freakin surgery.... so I guess they will sign a veteran backup qb (Keenum surely will retire, maybe we'll find out why they never let Keenum step up).
First or second round, WR in the spring NFL draft. After that, who knows. The stupidest think Baker has done this season, is to whip his left arm out to stop a guy flying the other direction with an int.
With all the criticism of Baker, I still think he is a fine steering wheel to the car. That last game was a debacle, including Baker's struggles to throw well most of the time. But, the oline is the engine, and it was missing 4 of five starting pistons.
And, as been all season, the wr group, the car has been missing one tire the whole time.
The only saving grace for the Browns, is that they have one of the most excellent transmissions, the running backs, in the league.
You don't fix the tires by changing the steering wheel.
So, there ya go...that's how I see it.
A few responses to some of these comments…
1. Keenum did step up and beat a .500 football team and it looked like the coaching staff had more trust in Keenum than they had with Mullens.2.There’s a lot more to Murray than just having better WRs. He moves much better in the pocket and outside of the pocket and He’s more accurate whether inside or outside of the pocket. Two critical traits that make or break a QB. And When the play breaks down (which happens 20-25%) there aren’t too many others I would take over Murray.
3.The Browns have the best engine (Oline) in the league. And it would like 10x better if our QB could process coverage quickly.
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Aaron Rodgers stats without Adams.
10-1 W/L, by the way.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron-rodgers-game-log-without-davante-adams
Why? Rodgers is an elite QB. Having Adams makes the offense dangerous. But Even without him the offense is efficient, consistent and good. That's because Rodgers, not the skill players, not the Oline and not the running game, is the foundation of GB.
It's a QB driven league.
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For competition sake, this team could have taken Mayfield and Josh Allen. Maybe Allen never would have developed here. CB's like Ward are potentially great. Not like a freaky talent QB prospect when you have the 1st and 4th pick in the draft. DB's don't change your franchise.
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Zombo said:
I say we stick with Baker Mayfield.
He's on a team-friendly contract next year, and should be healthy, which should mean another playoff year like 2020.
I like him.
Z
So do the Packers, the Ravens and Patriots.
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Aaron Rodgers stats without Adams.
10-1 W/L, by the way.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron-rodgers-game-log-without-davante-adams
Why? Rodgers is an elite QB. Having Adams makes the offense dangerous. But Even without him the offense is efficient, consistent and good. That's because Rodgers, not the skill players, not the Oline and not the running game, is the foundation of GB.
It's a QB driven league.
Aaron Rodgers stats without Adams.
10-1 W/L, by the way.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron-rodgers-game-log-without-davante-adams
Why? Rodgers is an elite QB. Having Adams makes the offense dangerous. But Even without him the offense is efficient, consistent and good. That's because Rodgers, not the skill players, not the Oline and not the running game, is the foundation of GB.
It's a QB driven league.
Odd, I clicked on Green Bay every single year, and Devonte Adams was there with a lot of catches. He missed some games and they still won. OK, but that is 114 games over all the years that they DID have Adams playing. It's a team game. Did they lose games because Rodgers was just an "average" qb? Did Rodgers ever play most of a season with a broken shoulder, badly torn labrum ?
Makes some folks wonder how Rodgers would have done with no Adams. That's 652 catches for 7,930 yards they would have lacked.
Rodgers is great, so on, and so on. But Rodgers would have suffered badly had he gone to the Browns.
Baker piloted them to the playoffs last year. This year is a debacle. Getting rid of Baker does not fix the wide receiver problem the Browns have had for some years.
https://www.nfl.com/players/davante-adams/stats/career
Receiving
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ TOTAL 114 652 7930 12.2 436 72 397 60.89 102 25 2021 Green Bay Packers 14 106 1362 12.9 59 10 73 68.87 18 4 2020 Green Bay Packers 14 115 1374 12 56 18 73 63.48 18 5 2019 Green Bay Packers 12 83 997 12 58 5 54 65.06 12 2 2018 Green Bay Packers 15 111 1386 12.5 57 13 64 57.66 18 5 2017 Green Bay Packers 14 74 885 12 55 10 45 60.81 8 3 2016 Green Bay Packers 16 75 997 13.3 66 12 45 60 17 4 2015 Green Bay Packers 13 50 483 9.7 40 1 20 40 6 1 2014 Green Bay Packers 16 38 446 11.7 45 3 23 60.53 5 1 -
Aaron Rodgers stats without Adams.
10-1 W/L, by the way.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron-rodgers-game-log-without-davante-adams
Why? Rodgers is an elite QB. Having Adams makes the offense dangerous. But Even without him the offense is efficient, consistent and good. That's because Rodgers, not the skill players, not the Oline and not the running game, is the foundation of GB.
It's a QB driven league.
Odd, I clicked on Green Bay every single year, and Devonte Adams was there with a lot of catches. He missed some games and they still won. OK, but that is 114 games over all the years that they DID have Adams playing. It's a team game. Did they lose games because Rodgers was just an "average" qb? Did Rodgers ever play most of a season with a broken shoulder, badly torn labrum ?
Makes some folks wonder how Rodgers would have done with no Adams. That's 652 catches for 7,930 yards they would have lacked.
Rodgers is great, so on, and so on. But Rodgers would have suffered badly had he gone to the Browns.
Baker piloted them to the playoffs last year. This year is a debacle. Getting rid of Baker does not fix the wide receiver problem the Browns have had for some years.
https://www.nfl.com/players/davante-adams/stats/career
Receiving
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ TOTAL 114 652 7930 12.2 436 72 397 60.89 102 25 2021 Green Bay Packers 14 106 1362 12.9 59 10 73 68.87 18 4 2020 Green Bay Packers 14 115 1374 12 56 18 73 63.48 18 5 2019 Green Bay Packers 12 83 997 12 58 5 54 65.06 12 2 2018 Green Bay Packers 15 111 1386 12.5 57 13 64 57.66 18 5 2017 Green Bay Packers 14 74 885 12 55 10 45 60.81 8 3 2016 Green Bay Packers 16 75 997 13.3 66 12 45 60 17 4 2015 Green Bay Packers 13 50 483 9.7 40 1 20 40 6 1 2014 Green Bay Packers 16 38 446 11.7 45 3 23 60.53 5 1 Odd, I clicked on Green Bay every single year, and Devonte Adams was there with a lot of catches.
https://www.nfl.com/players/davante-adams/stats/career
Receiving
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ TOTAL 114 652 7930 12.2 436 72 397 60.89 102 25 2021 Green Bay Packers 14 106 1362 12.9 59 10 73 68.87 18 4 2020 Green Bay Packers 14 115 1374 12 56 18 73 63.48 18 5 2019 Green Bay Packers 12 83 997 12 58 5 54 65.06 12 2 2018 Green Bay Packers 15 111 1386 12.5 57 13 64 57.66 18 5 2017 Green Bay Packers 14 74 885 12 55 10 45 60.81 8 3 2016 Green Bay Packers 16 75 997 13.3 66 12 45 60 17 4 2015 Green Bay Packers 13 50 483 9.7 40 1 20 40 6 1 2014 Green Bay Packers 16 38 446 11.7 45 3 23 60.53 5 1 Jesus, you are dense.
Yes, he's played in a lot of games, but if you take 12 seconds anyone with third grade math skills can see he's missed some games over his career.
And lo and behold, tia has produced a fact that Aaron Rodgers is 10-1 in his career in games Adams has not played.
It's not as difficult as you always make every thing, cal.
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Aaron Rodgers stats without Adams.
10-1 W/L, by the way.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron-rodgers-game-log-without-davante-adams
Why? Rodgers is an elite QB. Having Adams makes the offense dangerous. But Even without him the offense is efficient, consistent and good. That's because Rodgers, not the skill players, not the Oline and not the running game, is the foundation of GB.
It's a QB driven league.
Odd, I clicked on Green Bay every single year, and Devonte Adams was there with a lot of catches. He missed some games and they still won. OK, but that is 114 games over all the years that they DID have Adams playing. It's a team game. Did they lose games because Rodgers was just an "average" qb? Did Rodgers ever play most of a season with a broken shoulder, badly torn labrum ?
Makes some folks wonder how Rodgers would have done with no Adams. That's 652 catches for 7,930 yards they would have lacked.
Rodgers is great, so on, and so on. But Rodgers would have suffered badly had he gone to the Browns.
Baker piloted them to the playoffs last year. This year is a debacle. Getting rid of Baker does not fix the wide receiver problem the Browns have had for some years.
https://www.nfl.com/players/davante-adams/stats/career
Receiving
YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ TOTAL 114 652 7930 12.2 436 72 397 60.89 102 25 2021 Green Bay Packers 14 106 1362 12.9 59 10 73 68.87 18 4 2020 Green Bay Packers 14 115 1374 12 56 18 73 63.48 18 5 2019 Green Bay Packers 12 83 997 12 58 5 54 65.06 12 2 2018 Green Bay Packers 15 111 1386 12.5 57 13 64 57.66 18 5 2017 Green Bay Packers 14 74 885 12 55 10 45 60.81 8 3 2016 Green Bay Packers 16 75 997 13.3 66 12 45 60 17 4 2015 Green Bay Packers 13 50 483 9.7 40 1 20 40 6 1 2014 Green Bay Packers 16 38 446 11.7 45 3 23 60.53 5 1 Makes some folks wonder how Rodgers would have done with no Adams.
Without Adams? ....... Rodgers won a super bowl with two 2nd round WR's and a 6th round rookie RB who didn't take his first NFL snap until December of said rookie season.
Even more funny - Rodgers averages 66.5% comp without Adam's. Meanwhile your benchmark for Bakers "return to form" season of 2020 he averaged 62.8% comp.
Rodgers is damn near 4% full points higher than Baker - WITHOUT Adams, compared to Mayfield's best season. That also includes a higher average in passing attempts as well vs Bakers 2020 average.
Any skill player currently on the Browns roster becomes an absolute weapon with Rodgers throwing to them. Meanwhile do you think Devonte puts up similar stats if he swapped places and came to CLE? Why is that?
So the difference has to be the level of play from your signal caller.
Elite QB's take average skill players and make them good. There is a long history to speak to this. The other way around? Not so much.
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