Baker Mayfield
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Zombo said:
Team Detractor??
Look, Bake is the man going forward. He's the starter in 2022 and he'll be playing for a contract next year, 2023 would be the year we would move on from him if we do ... so why you are all being obsessed with his status right now is strange to me.
With a full week of practice I think we'll put together a nice game plan for Pittsburgh and succeed... Baker included. Then the Bungles come to town, and Baker owns them.
Z
Sunshine on my shoulders makes me happy.. Whatever Z. Baker rightfully apologized for his shitty play against the Packers. Better pray that was just rust. Vagitron has been scarce around here of late, but expect the Sqealers to be pumped up to send Big Ben off into the sunset with his last home win.
Should the Bengals manage to beat the Chiefs Sunday, we're just going to be playing for pride Monday night. Don't forget that little factoid.
And as to "owning" the Bengals, maybe you've missed on how they've been playing of late. See any of those highlights where they totally demolished the Ravens? FWIW, Harbaugh was sort of bitching that the Bengals were running up the score.
Finally, said it elsewhere. Baker being gift wrapped the starters job in 2022 will be largely dependent on how well (or not) he plays in these last two games. A final record of 7-10, and I expect some QB shopping to occur in the off season.
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and how long has Rodgers been playing the same system? with the same coaches? How long has he been in the league?
All sorts of qb;s who were NOT elite have been to the superbowl. They had defenses and talented players around them to get them there. Baker is hurt, still playing, which I thought before the squealers game he should have sat on the bench....and he doesn't have a star wr to make the offense work right. and a rookie coach last year. another new system.
It's more complicated than "Baker sucks, any other qb because I'm mad we didn't get to the playoffs maybe"
Baker isn't Rodgers, he isn't easily replaceable when healthy.
Like I said earlier, Brady laid an egg two games ago - couldn't even muster a field goal. Your idea of "the qb makes the wr's around him superstars" whatever.....I just disagree with. The Bucs lost 9-0. But, Both Evans and Godwin were hurt. Zero points.
Did Brady forget how to "raise the level of play" etc etc ? nope. He didn't have his star wr's, that is what the story is.
Furthermore, look at the difference between Brady and Gronkowski, and Brady without Gronkowski - a star elite TE makes a huge difference.
So, Baker doesn't even have a #1 wr on the roster. Give him a star wr and see how much a huge difference that makes.
If the Browns want to upgrade, I'm happy with it. It will have to be PIckett, Strong or Corral, and they will probably all be gone if the Brown win their last two games.
I don't care who the qb is - if wr's don't get open, he can't throw completions to them a lot of the time. Outside of Landry - vs man to man, nope. That's why Higgins hasn't played much at all. I just wish Schwartz could have made a bigger difference his first year.
Baker got the Browns to the playoffs last year. Do you think that Devonte Adams would not have made any difference?
Cal, you're just arguing in circles.
1) Baker isn't an "elite" qb by a long shot. Pretty good, if everything around him is perfect.
2) If you think a super stud WR is going to make a huge difference in his play. I disagree on a couple counts. 1) He's a 1\2 second slow 90% of the time getting the ball out. 2) When his #1 option is covered, he dances like a ballerina trying to go through his progressions, and takes far too many needless sacks. 3) Way too often he's forcing the ball into coverage, while if he had better field vision- he'd notice there's other WRs who are wide open.
3) Yeah, Brady had a lousy game against the Saints- even the great ones do on occasion. Only game this year he's been under a 60 qbr... Don't think you can say that for Baker.
4) Aw, he's hurt. You get zero sympathy points from the opposition.
Cal, you're just arguing in circles.
1) Baker isn't an "elite" qb by a long shot. Pretty good, if everything around him is perfect.
2) If you think a super stud WR is going to make a huge difference in his play. I disagree on a couple counts. 1) He's a 1\2 second slow 90% of the time getting the ball out. 2) When his #1 option is covered, he dances like a ballerina trying to go through his progressions, and takes far too many needless sacks. 3) Way too often he's forcing the ball into coverage, while if he had better field vision- he'd notice there's other WRs who are wide open.
3) Yeah, Brady had a lousy game against the Saints- even the great ones do on occasion. Only game this year he's been under a 60 qbr... Don't think you can say that for Baker.
4) Aw, he's hurt. You get zero sympathy points from the opposition.
1. I did not say Baker was elite. He has some elite traits, ok, a few. But Drew Brees "wasn't elite" til they fixed the wr position, etc.
Just because I'm explaining one side, and Tiam explained the other side, doesn't mean I'm circling.
2. Yes, go read my reply to Tiam - Drew Brees, read that. With no stars (outside of Landry who is getting up there/injured...) Baker doesn't have wide open wr's most of the time. Forcing into coverage is a last resort of that. Missing open wr's? sure. Barfslinbooger missed a wipe open wr/te glaringly in the Steelers-Browns game. so what. If the defense plays man to man vs HIggins, I wouldn't try to look his way so much - he isn't good at that, so if he DID get open, I would have already went to another read.
3. Well, look at Drew Brees again. Brees, in 2012, threw 19 interceptions. 2014 - 17 ints. 2016 - 15 ints. In 2020 - Baker only threw 8. In 2021, he's thrown 11. (ok, he had 19 in 2019) lol
In Rodgers first year starting, he threw 13 interceptions that year. So bashing Baker for ints? baloney. It's a team game, and the Browns need a star WR badly. They haven't drafted one in several years. That's all I'm saying.
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$$ friendly, team detractor = short playoff run if we even get there again. Defenses have figured him out.
We're on the same page there Tex. I'm seriously concerned that's the case. My only faint hope is what Kurt Warner had to say about Baker. That the shoulder harness he's wearing to prevent further damage is seriously messing up his mechanics.
But based on stuff some of us are seeing, is even a surgically repaired Baker going to be good enough next season to get the Browns to the Super Bowl? Since I live 50 miles from the heart of Bungle land, I take a lot of flack because of my scouting of said team. Start of the season, I said Baker only had to be as good as Andy Dalton. I'm beginning to doubt he's ever even going to be on that level. And I watched dozens of Andy's games.
Hate to break it to the sunshine pumpers, but there's a new QB sherriff in the AFC North, and it sure as hell isn't Baker. Guy by the name of Joe Burrow, who's been playing like Joe Montana of late. Um, he just lit up Baltimore for 500 passing yards- for the second time this year. It's almost laughable (if it wasn't so sad) watching Joe's level of play then comparing it to Bakers.
Hate to break it to the sunshine pumpers, but there's a new QB sherriff in the AFC North, and it sure as hell isn't Baker. Guy by the name of Joe Burrow, who's been playing like Joe Montana of late. Um, he just lit up Baltimore for 500 passing yards- for the second time this year. It's almost laughable (if it wasn't so sad) watching Joe's level of play then comparing it to Bakers.
Zombo said:
Team Detractor??
With a full week of practice I think we'll put together a nice game plan for Pittsburgh and succeed... Baker included. Then the Bungles come to town, and Baker owns them.
Z
See hoorta's post above yours here. Cincy is about to own the Browns. And even though I might give the edge to us against Pitt normally, not in Big Ben's last home game ever. That team will play with their hair on fire to let him go out a winner against the Browns, a team that right now does not resemble the Mauling Chiefs that just killed them in Arrowhead thanks to a real top notch NFL QB who can win even without Kelce (oh, and find many different receivers all over the field).
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Cal, you're just arguing in circles.
1) Baker isn't an "elite" qb by a long shot. Pretty good, if everything around him is perfect.
2) If you think a super stud WR is going to make a huge difference in his play. I disagree on a couple counts. 1) He's a 1\2 second slow 90% of the time getting the ball out. 2) When his #1 option is covered, he dances like a ballerina trying to go through his progressions, and takes far too many needless sacks. 3) Way too often he's forcing the ball into coverage, while if he had better field vision- he'd notice there's other WRs who are wide open.
3) Yeah, Brady had a lousy game against the Saints- even the great ones do on occasion. Only game this year he's been under a 60 qbr... Don't think you can say that for Baker.
4) Aw, he's hurt. You get zero sympathy points from the opposition.
1. I did not say Baker was elite. He has some elite traits, ok, a few. But Drew Brees "wasn't elite" til they fixed the wr position, etc.
Just because I'm explaining one side, and Tiam explained the other side, doesn't mean I'm circling.
2. Yes, go read my reply to Tiam - Drew Brees, read that. With no stars (outside of Landry who is getting up there/injured...) Baker doesn't have wide open wr's most of the time. Forcing into coverage is a last resort of that. Missing open wr's? sure. Barfslinbooger missed a wipe open wr/te glaringly in the Steelers-Browns game. so what. If the defense plays man to man vs HIggins, I wouldn't try to look his way so much - he isn't good at that, so if he DID get open, I would have already went to another read.
3. Well, look at Drew Brees again. Brees, in 2012, threw 19 interceptions. 2014 - 17 ints. 2016 - 15 ints. In 2020 - Baker only threw 8. In 2021, he's thrown 11. (ok, he had 19 in 2019) lol
In Rodgers first year starting, he threw 13 interceptions that year. So bashing Baker for ints? baloney. It's a team game, and the Browns need a star WR badly. They haven't drafted one in several years. That's all I'm saying.
1. I did not say Baker was elite. He has some elite traits, ok, a few. But Drew Brees "wasn't elite" til they fixed the wr position, etc.
Just because I'm explaining one side, and Tiam explained the other side, doesn't mean I'm circling.
2. Yes, go read my reply to Tiam - Drew Brees, read that. With no stars (outside of Landry who is getting up there/injured...) Baker doesn't have wide open wr's most of the time. Forcing into coverage is a last resort of that. Missing open wr's? sure. Barfslinbooger missed a wipe open wr/te glaringly in the Steelers-Browns game. so what. If the defense plays man to man vs HIggins, I wouldn't try to look his way so much - he isn't good at that, so if he DID get open, I would have already went to another read.
3. Well, look at Drew Brees again. Brees, in 2012, threw 19 interceptions. 2014 - 17 ints. 2016 - 15 ints. In 2020 - Baker only threw 8. In 2021, he's thrown 11. (ok, he had 19 in 2019) lol
In Rodgers first year starting, he threw 13 interceptions that year. So bashing Baker for ints? baloney. It's a team game, and the Browns need a star WR badly. They haven't drafted one in several years. That's all I'm saying.
We had a Star wideout... He pouted his way outta town through his daddy...
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Hate to break it to the sunshine pumpers, but there's a new QB sherriff in the AFC North, and it sure as hell isn't Baker. Guy by the name of Joe Burrow, who's been playing like Joe Montana of late. Um, he just lit up Baltimore for 500 passing yards- for the second time this year. It's almost laughable (if it wasn't so sad) watching Joe's level of play then comparing it to Bakers.
Zombo said:
Team Detractor??
With a full week of practice I think we'll put together a nice game plan for Pittsburgh and succeed... Baker included. Then the Bungles come to town, and Baker owns them.
Z
See hoorta's post above yours here. Cincy is about to own the Browns. And even though I might give the edge to us against Pitt normally, not in Big Ben's last home game ever. That team will play with their hair on fire to let him go out a winner against the Browns, a team that right now does not resemble the Mauling Chiefs that just killed them in Arrowhead thanks to a real top notch NFL QB who can win even without Kelce (oh, and find many different receivers all over the field).
See hoorta's post above yours here. Cincy is about to own the Browns. And even though I might give the edge to us against Pitt normally, not in Big Ben's last home game ever. That team will play with their hair on fire to let him go out a winner against the Browns, a team that right now does not resemble the Mauling Chiefs that just killed them in Arrowhead thanks to a real top notch NFL QB who can win even without Kelce (oh, and find many different receivers all over the field).
Burrow is terrific.
He also has:
Ja'Marr Chase - 2021 FIRST ROUND, #5 pick overall.WR
Tee HIggins - 2020 SECOND ROUND
Tyler Boyd - 2016 SECOND ROUND pick, WR
If Burrow was with the Browns, he'd go through hell
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See hoorta's post above yours here. Cincy is about to own the Browns. And even though I might give the edge to us against Pitt normally, not in Big Ben's last home game ever. That team will play with their hair on fire to let him go out a winner against the Browns, a team that right now does not resemble the Mauling Chiefs that just killed them in Arrowhead thanks to a real top notch NFL QB who can win even without Kelce (oh, and find many different receivers all over the field).
Burrow is terrific.
He also has:
Ja'Marr Chase - 2021 FIRST ROUND, #5 pick overall.WR
Tee HIggins - 2020 SECOND ROUND
Tyler Boyd - 2016 SECOND ROUND pick, WR
If Burrow was with the Browns, he'd go through hell
Burrow is terrific.
He also has:
Ja'Marr Chase - 2021 FIRST ROUND, #5 pick overall.WR
Tee HIggins - 2020 SECOND ROUND
Tyler Boyd - 2016 SECOND ROUND pick, WR
If Burrow was with the Browns, he'd go through hell
WRONG!!!! Burrow can see past the 1st option
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WRONG!!!! Burrow can see past the 1st option
Not wrong. Hell, I could see past the first option with those three dynamic star WR's.
Honestly, how does anyone know that Baker isn't on his 2nd/3rd read when a first read wr finally gets open?
A look at the excellent chemistry between Joe Burrow and ...
Burrow was 26 of 37 for 249 yards and 2 touchdowns on the day, but that stat line doesn't really do justice to his performance. Burrow and his receivers did some special things in this game.BTW, go back and look at the Browns vs Cincy this year. 41-6 sound familiar?
Baker qb rating: 132
Burrow qb rating: 69
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WRONG!!!! Burrow can see past the 1st option
Not wrong. Hell, I could see past the first option with those three dynamic star WR's.
Honestly, how does anyone know that Baker isn't on his 2nd/3rd read when a first read wr finally gets open?
A look at the excellent chemistry between Joe Burrow and ...
Burrow was 26 of 37 for 249 yards and 2 touchdowns on the day, but that stat line doesn't really do justice to his performance. Burrow and his receivers did some special things in this game.BTW, go back and look at the Browns vs Cincy this year. 41-6 sound familiar?
Baker qb rating: 132
Burrow qb rating: 69
Not wrong. Hell, I could see past the first option with those three dynamic star WR's.
Honestly, how does anyone know that Baker isn't on his 2nd/3rd read when a first read wr finally gets open?
A look at the excellent chemistry between Joe Burrow and ...
Burrow was 26 of 37 for 249 yards and 2 touchdowns on the day, but that stat line doesn't really do justice to his performance. Burrow and his receivers did some special things in this game.BTW, go back and look at the Browns vs Cincy this year. 41-6 sound familiar?
Baker qb rating: 132
Burrow qb rating: 69
That’s 1 game you dipshit
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Not wrong. Hell, I could see past the first option with those three dynamic star WR's.
Honestly, how does anyone know that Baker isn't on his 2nd/3rd read when a first read wr finally gets open?
A look at the excellent chemistry between Joe Burrow and ...
Burrow was 26 of 37 for 249 yards and 2 touchdowns on the day, but that stat line doesn't really do justice to his performance. Burrow and his receivers did some special things in this game.BTW, go back and look at the Browns vs Cincy this year. 41-6 sound familiar?
Baker qb rating: 132
Burrow qb rating: 69
That’s 1 game you dipshit
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WRONG!!!! Burrow can see past the 1st option
Not wrong. Hell, I could see past the first option with those three dynamic star WR's.
Honestly, how does anyone know that Baker isn't on his 2nd/3rd read when a first read wr finally gets open?
A look at the excellent chemistry between Joe Burrow and ...
Burrow was 26 of 37 for 249 yards and 2 touchdowns on the day, but that stat line doesn't really do justice to his performance. Burrow and his receivers did some special things in this game.BTW, go back and look at the Browns vs Cincy this year. 41-6 sound familiar?
Baker qb rating: 132
Burrow qb rating: 69
Honestly, how does anyone know that Baker isn't on his 2nd/3rd read when a first read wr finally gets open?
Because if you've paid ANY attention to the work I've done and spelled out on this forum, you'd see that I've shown receivers (not just TE's) get open rather routinely and Baker misses them.
10th post down on the last page is the clutch example from the first Pittsburgh game.
It's right there, pictures and everything with my diagraming of both the routes and the defense.
How does ANYONE know? Because when you invest the time to seek the answers, you tend to find them.
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Zombo said:
I say we stick with Baker Mayfield.
He's on a team-friendly contract next year, and should be healthy, which should mean another playoff year like 2020.
I like him.
Z
So do the Packers, the Ravens and Patriots.
To a certain extent, I DO believe the Browns need some WRs who can actually catch the football. While I stated by belief in the talent-level of Mayfield, he did throw a number of balls against the Packers that should have been caught.
Then, I think...............................
Duper and Clayton weren't HOF WRs but Marino made them look pretty darn good.
The Pats have had a number of WRs that never made great WRs but Brady made them look pretty darn good (rotating Slot Receivers, as the main example)
Rogers is a HOF QB whose WRs seemingly, make great catch after great catch.
However, is it that these QBs actually put the ball in precisely the right spot, at precisely the right time, at precisely the right speed and rotation that allow the WRs to make seemingly great catches?
Maybe Baker cannot do any of the above and that is why the WRs drop so many passes.
Just a thought
On non-physical competencies:
I fear that - whatever Mayfield may make up next year by being physically fit - will be lost by the lack of material between the ears.
Remember he is 0-7 on possible game winning drives. That goes back to the Chiefs' playoff game last year. He just didn't do it then or since when the game is on the line.
I shudder to think that big-mouth Rex Ryan was right about him all these years.
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Zombo said:
Team Detractor??
Look, Bake is the man going forward. He's the starter in 2022 and he'll be playing for a contract next year, 2023 would be the year we would move on from him if we do ... so why you are all being obsessed with his status right now is strange to me.
With a full week of practice I think we'll put together a nice game plan for Pittsburgh and succeed... Baker included. Then the Bungles come to town, and Baker owns them.
Z
Sunshine on my shoulders makes me happy.. Whatever Z. Baker rightfully apologized for his shitty play against the Packers. Better pray that was just rust. Vagitron has been scarce around here of late, but expect the Sqealers to be pumped up to send Big Ben off into the sunset with his last home win.
Should the Bengals manage to beat the Chiefs Sunday, we're just going to be playing for pride Monday night. Don't forget that little factoid.
And as to "owning" the Bengals, maybe you've missed on how they've been playing of late. See any of those highlights where they totally demolished the Ravens? FWIW, Harbaugh was sort of bitching that the Bengals were running up the score.
Finally, said it elsewhere. Baker being gift wrapped the starters job in 2022 will be largely dependent on how well (or not) he plays in these last two games. A final record of 7-10, and I expect some QB shopping to occur in the off season.
And as to "owning" the Bengals, maybe you've missed on how they've been playing of late. See any of those highlights where they totally demolished the Ravens? FWIW, Harbaugh was sort of bitching that the Bengals were running up the score.
Uh... Did you miss the fact that the Ravens where playing with their 9th string CB's?
Oh and Josh Johnson and whatever was left of the Ravens after COVID still put 21 points up
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The Bengals have a better QB and perimeter weapons.
The Browns have a better running game, TE group and Oline.
It all depends on the IDL availability and health for both teams. If the Brownies can keep up the rushing attack against a beat up Bengals interior, then we're solid and a win is very possible.
If not? Then it's going to be rough as hell to deal with should Cincy get away from their man coverages looks and throw something new at Baker.
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Honestly, how does anyone know that Baker isn't on his 2nd/3rd read when a first read wr finally gets open?
Because if you've paid ANY attention to the work I've done and spelled out on this forum, you'd see that I've shown receivers (not just TE's) get open rather routinely and Baker misses them.
10th post down on the last page is the clutch example from the first Pittsburgh game.
It's right there, pictures and everything with my diagraming of both the routes and the defense.
How does ANYONE know? Because when you invest the time to seek the answers, you tend to find them.
Because if you've paid ANY attention to the work I've done and spelled out on this forum, you'd see that I've shown receivers (not just TE's) get open rather routinely and Baker misses them.
10th post down on the last page is the clutch example from the first Pittsburgh game.
It's right there, pictures and everything with my diagraming of both the routes and the defense.
How does ANYONE know? Because when you invest the time to seek the answers, you tend to find them.
I know there are examples. but it does not show who was the target of the first read. You, I think, are assuming that any wr/te that gets open is a primary read?
I"m saying that the Browns do not have a wr on the roster that is explosive enough to beat man coverage, or get open quickly. Like I said, I saw Barthslisbooger completely not see a WIDE OPEN wr/te? iin the end zone vs the Browns.
It freaking happens. Sure, if you have the receivers the Bengals have, and one or the other gets open immediately, it's an easy read.
But the first example you listed showed Landry NOT OPEN. He finally did get open across the middle. I don't know what reads were in progression. Maybe it would be Peoples-Jones, or a TE.
I believe you can find times where every qb doesn't see an open receiver. I was watching a bucs game, (lost another dollar), and the guys doing the broadcasting were commenting on Brady not seeing a guy who came wide open. And he has Godwin and Evans and Gronk !
But don't take my word for it - Hasselbeck, former NFL QB, said it. So, yes, that was 2016. How many years had Brady been in the league?
I said it happens.
Tim Hasselbeck: Tom Brady Made 'Inexcusable' Error On ...
Another look at the play shows Gronkowski was pretty wide open, and the right read for Brady would have been to lead his tight end into open space rather than force a pass into tight coverage ... -
Zombo said:
Here is a couple "factiods" for you Larry:
1. Baltimore was missing 25 players. Shut up, and let that sink in.
2. As for owning the Bungles, we've won 6 of 7 contests in the Baker era, Baker is 3-0 versus Burrow, and the Browns have scored 113 points against the Bungle defense in those games, including a 41-16 bashing last month. I'm pretty sure you didn't miss that one.
How do you get gift wrapped the job that is already yours?
He's on year five of his staerting QB contract next year, you can hope and pray he fails, but I think you're going to be highly disappointed.
z
Yep
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See hoorta's post above yours here. Cincy is about to own the Browns. And even though I might give the edge to us against Pitt normally, not in Big Ben's last home game ever. That team will play with their hair on fire to let him go out a winner against the Browns, a team that right now does not resemble the Mauling Chiefs that just killed them in Arrowhead thanks to a real top notch NFL QB who can win even without Kelce (oh, and find many different receivers all over the field).
Burrow is terrific.
He also has:
Ja'Marr Chase - 2021 FIRST ROUND, #5 pick overall.WR
Tee HIggins - 2020 SECOND ROUND
Tyler Boyd - 2016 SECOND ROUND pick, WR
If Burrow was with the Browns, he'd go through hell
Burrow is terrific.
He also has:
Ja'Marr Chase - 2021 FIRST ROUND, #5 pick overall.WR
Tee HIggins - 2020 SECOND ROUND
Tyler Boyd - 2016 SECOND ROUND pick, WR
If Burrow was with the Browns, he'd go through hell
I call that utter bullshit. Our O-line is better, Burrow doesn't have pro bowl running back Nick Chubb.
So what? the Bengals Higgins and Boyd are not one iota better talent wise than our Landy, Higgins, and the Peoples guy. I'll even toss in their TE Uzomah, as opposed to our Austin Hooper- the guy who at the time we made the highest paid TE in the NFL? Who's got the better stats? Huh? Difference? A quarterback who happens to know when his TE wide open, uncovered for a gimme touchdown. How many hours you watched the Bengals this year? I'll bet not more than one. And THAT you obdurate WR fixation guy, you seemingly can't get through your thick head. Burrow makes them better, period... Because at this particular point in time, he's orders of magnitudes better than Baker. That's just a damn fact. . And just STOP with the bullshit on high draft picks crap. Please DON'T make me waste my time looking up what round a bunch of the Steelers All-Pro and HOF wide receivers got drafted in.
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Burrow is terrific.
He also has:
Ja'Marr Chase - 2021 FIRST ROUND, #5 pick overall.WR
Tee HIggins - 2020 SECOND ROUND
Tyler Boyd - 2016 SECOND ROUND pick, WR
If Burrow was with the Browns, he'd go through hell
I call that utter bullshit. Our O-line is better, Burrow doesn't have pro bowl running back Nick Chubb.
So what? the Bengals Higgins and Boyd are not one iota better talent wise than our Landy, Higgins, and the Peoples guy. I'll even toss in their TE Uzomah, as opposed to our Austin Hooper- the guy who at the time we made the highest paid TE in the NFL? Who's got the better stats? Huh? Difference? A quarterback who happens to know when his TE wide open, uncovered for a gimme touchdown. How many hours you watched the Bengals this year? I'll bet not more than one. And THAT you obdurate WR fixation guy, you seemingly can't get through your thick head. Burrow makes them better, period... Because at this particular point in time, he's orders of magnitudes better than Baker. That's just a damn fact. . And just STOP with the bullshit on high draft picks crap. Please DON'T make me waste my time looking up what round a bunch of the Steelers All-Pro and HOF wide receivers got drafted in.
I call that utter bullshit. Our O-line is better, Burrow doesn't have pro bowl running back Nick Chubb.
So what? the Bengals Higgins and Boyd are not one iota better talent wise than our Landy, Higgins, and the Peoples guy. I'll even toss in their TE Uzomah, as opposed to our Austin Hooper- the guy who at the time we made the highest paid TE in the NFL? Who's got the better stats? Huh? Difference? A quarterback who happens to know when his TE wide open, uncovered for a gimme touchdown. How many hours you watched the Bengals this year? I'll bet not more than one. And THAT you obdurate WR fixation guy, you seemingly can't get through your thick head. Burrow makes them better, period... Because at this particular point in time, he's orders of magnitudes better than Baker. That's just a damn fact. . And just STOP with the bullshit on high draft picks crap. Please DON'T make me waste my time looking up what round a bunch of the Steelers All-Pro and HOF wide receivers got drafted in.
He has Joe Fuckin Mixon whose no slouch by any stretch of the imagination...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
It also helps Burrow that he is 6’4”.
And he came from a college, and a conference that is a lot more like the NFL then the big 12The big 12 is run and shoot, no defense, wide open receivers playing against no name defensive players
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Zombo said:
Here is a couple "factoids" for you Larry:
1. Baltimore was missing 25 players. Shut up, and let that sink in.
2. As for owning the Bungles, we've won 6 of 7 contests in the Baker era, Baker is 3-0 versus Burrow, and the Browns have scored 113 points against the Bungle defense in those games, including a 41-16 bashing last month. I'm pretty sure you didn't miss that one.
How do you get gift wrapped the job that is already yours?
He's on year five of his starting QB contract next year, you can hope and pray he fails, but I think you're going to be highly disappointed.
z
Regarding the bold, you're in denial Z. It's a what have you done for lately me league. Two more suck performances will change Berry's thinking.
Shit, I'm not hoping he fails... I'm hoping all the dominoes fall perfectly, and the Browns get a home playoff game in about forever. In that unlikely scenario, I'll even be in the stands- despite the fact I could probably make a quick $1,000 bucks putting them up for sale on Ticketmaster. Regarding the Bengals... Outlier game, (just like the Lions beating the Cardinals) if the division is on the line? TBD. Let me give you the classic Investment disclaimer... "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."
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