You're the GM...
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I think he certainly does. I believe he wants to be the guy to fully turn this thing around. Pretty darn close last season.
Does he feel that way after getting setup for failure and getting pummeled against the squeelers?
If the Browns had his best interest at heart, they wouldn’t have played him on Monday night
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who ? is he on are roster right now ? do we tank for a qb in the 2023 draft ? cause i still do not see a 2nd tier qb that is any better than baker when healthy
Let’s see a list come draft and FA time.
Baker has thrown the most INTs of any QB since 2018. We can’t have that period….and I’m positive we can improve upon that without even seeing a list
Let’s see a list come draft and FA time.
Baker has thrown the most INTs of any QB since 2018. We can’t have that period….and I’m positive we can improve upon that without even seeing a list
If we're talking the 2021 Baker, I'll let you peruse the NFL.com quarterback listing. Not too hard to NOT to improve on that performance.
but being beat to hell had nothing to do with it ?
That is the humongous question. I would sincerely hope Berry and Podesta will want to hedge their bets, and bring in a reliable Plan B just in case Baker continues to shit the bed post surgery. Strings of 50ish QBRs aren't going to get it done. Our window is now, and the uprising of Country Joe Burrow and the Bungles down by the River certainly complicates matters. MHO- I've said it elsewhere, Baker's play in the last few games doesn't warrant him being gift wrapped the starting QB role in training camp... He's going to have to earn it.
Hope Conklin can stay healthy. Still OL is going to be a priority. Perusing our potential draft status, we could be anywhere between #6 and #12.... It's a deep WR class, and if we go that route, almost a certainty that one of the top guys will be there for us.
And Stef DOES need to stop with the play calling. There was zero drop-off when he wasn't on the field.
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Let’s see a list come draft and FA time.
Baker has thrown the most INTs of any QB since 2018. We can’t have that period….and I’m positive we can improve upon that without even seeing a list
If we're talking the 2021 Baker, I'll let you peruse the NFL.com quarterback listing. Not too hard to NOT to improve on that performance.
but being beat to hell had nothing to do with it ?
That is the humongous question. I would sincerely hope Berry and Podesta will want to hedge their bets, and bring in a reliable Plan B just in case Baker continues to shit the bed post surgery. Strings of 50ish QBRs aren't going to get it done. Our window is now, and the uprising of Country Joe Burrow and the Bungles down by the River certainly complicates matters. MHO- I've said it elsewhere, Baker's play in the last few games doesn't warrant him being gift wrapped the starting QB role in training camp... He's going to have to earn it.
Hope Conklin can stay healthy. Still OL is going to be a priority. Perusing our potential draft status, we could be anywhere between #6 and #12.... It's a deep WR class, and if we go that route, almost a certainty that one of the top guys will be there for us.
And Stef DOES need to stop with the play calling. There was zero drop-off when he wasn't on the field.
If we're talking the 2021 Baker, I'll let you peruse the NFL.com quarterback listing. Not too hard to NOT to improve on that performance.
That is the humongous question. I would sincerely hope Berry and Podesta will want to hedge their bets, and bring in a reliable Plan B just in case Baker continues to shit the bed post surgery. Strings of 50ish QBRs aren't going to get it done. Our window is now, and the uprising of Country Joe Burrow and the Bungles down by the River certainly complicates matters. MHO- I've said it elsewhere, Baker's play in the last few games doesn't warrant him being gift wrapped the starting QB role in training camp... He's going to have to earn it.
Hope Conklin can stay healthy. Still OL is going to be a priority. Perusing our potential draft status, we could be anywhere between #6 and #12.... It's a deep WR class, and if we go that route, almost a certainty that one of the top guys will be there for us.
And Stef DOES need to stop with the play calling. There was zero drop-off when he wasn't on the field.
And we don’t know what QBs may be available via trade.
We have a 60 game sample set with Baker that includes:
Healthy Baker And unhealthy Baker
Baker with different HC/OC and Baker with continuity at HC/OC.
Baker with WRs and Baker without WRs
Baker with arguably the best backfield in football
Baker with Bad Line and Baker with a very good line.
We haven’t asked Baker to carry our team…but any of you think he’s capable?
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I'd love to get better on the DLine... tougher inside with a starting caliberDT and add a young, pass rusher opposite Myles at DE.
A MLB who is stouter vs the run than Walker.
Two starting caliber WRs to join DJP.
Some developmental OLinemen, and possibly a new starter at RT.
I'd love to get better on the DLine... tougher inside with a starting caliberDT and add a young, pass rusher opposite Myles at DE.
It can't be understated enough that teams about halfway through the year scouted the Browns very correctly that running right up the gut served extremely effective. A good pas rush starts with interior DL play. As much as we need to upgrade WR, I'm totally fine if that first round pick is interior DL based as well. Need a disruptor at that position badly. I think Jordan Davis may be lingering around where we pick, which IMO would be a slam dunk.
Honestly, I'd love to move on from Baker.
But I'm not moving on from Baker unless I'm 100% sure I've upgraded from Baker, and I just don't see a scenario right now where that realistically happens.
Pretty much sums it up perfectly. Outside of a Carr trade or something completely unexpected, ain't no one out there in the land of FA QB's that I'd consider an upgrade. Given this QB prospect class in the draft, I'd much rather see if Baker can come back to form and deal with what may (again, barring a big trade) than blow the ship up again. The thought of doing that actually pains me to think about.
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Sup T!!
1) I take a hard look at the coaching staff. I would demand that Stef hands over play calling to his OC so he can better see the whole picture on gameday. I would look at Woods and see if I was happy with the amount the defense improved as the season went along and do the same with ST's as well.... I believe I would keep both and make no major changes.
2) Gotta look at the QB, no way around it. Is Baker still 100% my guy? Do I need to address it early in the draft, play Bake on his 5th year and then move on? Do I make a major trade because I believe all of the pieces are in place but the 1? I'm just glad I don't really have to work through The Process...
3) Position upgrades and overall team depth just like any other year
4) Take Stef's play sheet away from him, swat him on the head with it and yell BAD.
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Sup T!!
1) I take a hard look at the coaching staff. I would demand that Stef hands over play calling to his OC so he can better see the whole picture on gameday. I would look at Woods and see if I was happy with the amount the defense improved as the season went along and do the same with ST's as well.... I believe I would keep both and make no major changes.
2) Gotta look at the QB, no way around it. Is Baker still 100% my guy? Do I need to address it early in the draft, play Bake on his 5th year and then move on? Do I make a major trade because I believe all of the pieces are in place but the 1? I'm just glad I don't really have to work through The Process...
3) Position upgrades and overall team depth just like any other year
4) Take Stef's play sheet away from him, swat him on the head with it and yell BAD.
Sup T!!
1) I take a hard look at the coaching staff. I would demand that Stef hands over play calling to his OC so he can better see the whole picture on gameday. I would look at Woods and see if I was happy with the amount the defense improved as the season went along and do the same with ST's as well.... I believe I would keep both and make no major changes.
2) Gotta look at the QB, no way around it. Is Baker still 100% my guy? Do I need to address it early in the draft, play Bake on his 5th year and then move on? Do I make a major trade because I believe all of the pieces are in place but the 1? I'm just glad I don't really have to work through The Process...
3) Position upgrades and overall team depth just like any other year
4) Take Stef's play sheet away from him, swat him on the head with it and yell BAD.
1. Yep.
2. Baker, if healthy, should start next year. They went to the playoffs last year with Baker. obj took a little heat off Landry. Wait til the Browns get a legit star wr in the draft.
3. I believe if Garrett Wilson is even there, the Browns will draft him absolutely. However, if he's already gone... it will be interesting - what do the Browns do then?
4. Good thing I was done with my coffee. LOL LOL LOL.
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Hire a moving company and move this sh** show to another city. It's over, failure is now in the very fiber of the Browns. No offseason trades or draft picks will change that. I've been a fan since the 70's and their was always hope and you looked forward the next season and tell all your friends how bad the Browns will beat the Steelers. In the 80's we were talking Super Bowl but when the old Browns moved out failure moved in. Let the team move and in less than 5 years they will win the Super Bowl. At least Cleveland has the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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Sup T!!
1) I take a hard look at the coaching staff. I would demand that Stef hands over play calling to his OC so he can better see the whole picture on gameday. I would look at Woods and see if I was happy with the amount the defense improved as the season went along and do the same with ST's as well.... I believe I would keep both and make no major changes.
2) Gotta look at the QB, no way around it. Is Baker still 100% my guy? Do I need to address it early in the draft, play Bake on his 5th year and then move on? Do I make a major trade because I believe all of the pieces are in place but the 1? I'm just glad I don't really have to work through The Process...
3) Position upgrades and overall team depth just like any other year
4) Take Stef's play sheet away from him, swat him on the head with it and yell BAD.
1. Yep.
2. Baker, if healthy, should start next year. They went to the playoffs last year with Baker. obj took a little heat off Landry. Wait til the Browns get a legit star wr in the draft.
3. I believe if Garrett Wilson is even there, the Browns will draft him absolutely. However, if he's already gone... it will be interesting - what do the Browns do then?
4. Good thing I was done with my coffee. LOL LOL LOL.
3. I believe if Garrett Wilson is even there, the Browns will draft him absolutely. However, if he's already gone... it will be interesting - what do the Browns do then?
4. Good thing I was done with my coffee. LOL LOL LOL.
I know all you homers like the two WRs from OSU, but I'd take Jameson Williams from a lot stronger scheduled Bama. Anyone who can get open at any depth and blow past them all on the long routes is just as capable as Chase who did the same thing against most of the same teams.
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Hire a moving company and move this sh** show to another city. It's over, failure is now in the very fiber of the Browns. No offseason trades or draft picks will change that. I've been a fan since the 70's and their was always hope and you looked forward the next season and tell all your friends how bad the Browns will beat the Steelers. In the 80's we were talking Super Bowl but when the old Browns moved out failure moved in. Let the team move and in less than 5 years they will win the Super Bowl. At least Cleveland has the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Hire a moving company and move this sh** show to another city. It's over, failure is now in the very fiber of the Browns. No offseason trades or draft picks will change that. I've been a fan since the 70's and their was always hope and you looked forward the next season and tell all your friends how bad the Browns will beat the Steelers. In the 80's we were talking Super Bowl but when the old Browns moved out failure moved in. Let the team move and in less than 5 years they will win the Super Bowl. At least Cleveland has the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
you mean the Hip hop HOF...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
If we're talking the 2021 Baker, I'll let you peruse the NFL.com quarterback listing. Not too hard to NOT to improve on that performance.
That is the humongous question. I would sincerely hope Berry and Podesta will want to hedge their bets, and bring in a reliable Plan B just in case Baker continues to shit the bed post surgery. Strings of 50ish QBRs aren't going to get it done. Our window is now, and the uprising of Country Joe Burrow and the Bungles down by the River certainly complicates matters. MHO- I've said it elsewhere, Baker's play in the last few games doesn't warrant him being gift wrapped the starting QB role in training camp... He's going to have to earn it.
Hope Conklin can stay healthy. Still OL is going to be a priority. Perusing our potential draft status, we could be anywhere between #6 and #12.... It's a deep WR class, and if we go that route, almost a certainty that one of the top guys will be there for us.
And Stef DOES need to stop with the play calling. There was zero drop-off when he wasn't on the field.
And we don’t know what QBs may be available via trade.
We have a 60 game sample set with Baker that includes:
Healthy Baker And unhealthy Baker
Baker with different HC/OC and Baker with continuity at HC/OC.
Baker with WRs and Baker without WRs
Baker with arguably the best backfield in football
Baker with Bad Line and Baker with a very good line.
We haven’t asked Baker to carry our team…but any of you think he’s capable?
We haven’t asked Baker to carry our team…but any of you think he’s capable?
We owe it to him to give him at least one more year healthy and with his full compliment of weapons back healthy. What they did to him this year was fucked up whether you think he is good or not. There is a reason you have coaches, to throw in the towel for you even though you may be too proud or stubborn to do it yourself. Stefanski letting it go on was a major fail.
It will give us time to properly evaluate him and also search for a potential replacemant. I agree with many that there aren't better options out there.
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Hire a moving company and move this sh** show to another city. It's over, failure is now in the very fiber of the Browns. No offseason trades or draft picks will change that. I've been a fan since the 70's and their was always hope and you looked forward the next season and tell all your friends how bad the Browns will beat the Steelers. In the 80's we were talking Super Bowl but when the old Browns moved out failure moved in. Let the team move and in less than 5 years they will win the Super Bowl. At least Cleveland has the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
you mean the Hip hop HOF...
you mean the Hip hop HOF...
Nope, Alice cooper lives there. Saw it on one of those commercials so it must be true.
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3. I believe if Garrett Wilson is even there, the Browns will draft him absolutely. However, if he's already gone... it will be interesting - what do the Browns do then?
4. Good thing I was done with my coffee. LOL LOL LOL.
I know all you homers like the two WRs from OSU, but I'd take Jameson Williams from a lot stronger scheduled Bama. Anyone who can get open at any depth and blow past them all on the long routes is just as capable as Chase who did the same thing against most of the same teams.
I know all you homers like the two WRs from OSU, but I'd take Jameson Williams from a lot stronger scheduled Bama. Anyone who can get open at any depth and blow past them all on the long routes is just as capable as Chase who did the same thing against most of the same teams.
Excellent point - it depends on who is doing the reviews. But either one would be a dramatic improvement in the wr group.
Williams did have a game against the outstanding cb - Gardner of Alambama - 7 of 8 catches for 62 yards. That is impressive.
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Hire a moving company and move this sh** show to another city. It's over, failure is now in the very fiber of the Browns. No offseason trades or draft picks will change that. I've been a fan since the 70's and their was always hope and you looked forward the next season and tell all your friends how bad the Browns will beat the Steelers. In the 80's we were talking Super Bowl but when the old Browns moved out failure moved in. Let the team move and in less than 5 years they will win the Super Bowl. At least Cleveland has the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Hire a moving company and move this sh** show to another city. It's over, failure is now in the very fiber of the Browns. No offseason trades or draft picks will change that. I've been a fan since the 70's and their was always hope and you looked forward the next season and tell all your friends how bad the Browns will beat the Steelers. In the 80's we were talking Super Bowl but when the old Browns moved out failure moved in. Let the team move and in less than 5 years they will win the Super Bowl. At least Cleveland has the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
It's 2022 and we haven't won squat, so I don't resent anyone who feels this way. You have every right.
A storied franchise prior to 1999 that became the most ridiculed, dysfunctional franchise in the history of sports.
Here we are again, talking about getting another QB and firing the coach.
"Storied franchise" LOL. What a story indeed.
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1. Get rid of Baker Mayfield - we picked up his 5th year option but we have the right to not move forward with it. $19 million for a bottom 10 QB is not acceptable and will only hurt the team. Kick the tires on Watson/Rodgers/Wilson. If they are not an option, draft a QB - move up if needed in the first round and have a solid backup veteran in place.
2. Draft/sign WR's in free agency. Cut Jarvis Landry if we can get something better in free agency - his 2022 money is not guaranteed and we owe him over $16 million - he's a #3 WR but we're the Browns so we trying to make him a #1 WR. I just looked at the WR 2022 unrestricted free agency and it's pretty bare - Davante Adams, Mike Williams, Chris Godwin (coming off torn ACL) - probably can't get them because our QB situation is so terrible but kick the tires. Might be stuck with Landry's insane 2022 money. Draft WR's high, see if anyone is available in a trade (Brandin Cooks in Houston would be a solid #2 WR).
3. Keep an eye on Conklin's health - his 2022 isn't guaranteed and we will owe him $15 million - guys coming off patella tendon tears rarely work out, the numbers are staggering in terms of how many come back (if it all) and are effective. Sign a RT if it's not looking good and more depth to the o-line.
4. Sign/draft quality LB's - is anyone else tired of having these no-name linebackers? We've had only a few decent LB's in the last 30 years.
5. Extend Denzel Ward.
My dream scenario is Deshaun Watson clears his legal problems and we make a deal with Houston for both Watson and Brandin Cooks. But it's just a dream.
Most likely scenario: we're stuck with Baker, we're stuck with Landry, we keep Conklin and he never is the same after the torn patella tendon. There's always 2023.
I'm excited to see what Berry can do here.
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I know all you homers like the two WRs from OSU, but I'd take Jameson Williams from a lot stronger scheduled Bama. Anyone who can get open at any depth and blow past them all on the long routes is just as capable as Chase who did the same thing against most of the same teams.
Excellent point - it depends on who is doing the reviews. But either one would be a dramatic improvement in the wr group.
Williams did have a game against the outstanding cb - Gardner of Alambama - 7 of 8 catches for 62 yards. That is impressive.
Excellent point - it depends on who is doing the reviews. But either one would be a dramatic improvement in the wr group.
Williams did have a game against the outstanding cb - Gardner of Alambama - 7 of 8 catches for 62 yards. That is impressive.
They used Williams differently in that game with short and intermediate routes and no real shots downfield. He more or less took over the role normally held by Metchie who was out for the game. Part of why they went with the run is that Cincy had no answer for Robinson who set his own personal yardage for that game over 200 yds. The Bama plan was basically to play keepaway with running and short passing. They incorporated Williams into that style of play instead of burning teams deep like he was doing most of the season.
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3. I believe if Garrett Wilson is even there, the Browns will draft him absolutely. However, if he's already gone... it will be interesting - what do the Browns do then?
4. Good thing I was done with my coffee. LOL LOL LOL.
I know all you homers like the two WRs from OSU, but I'd take Jameson Williams from a lot stronger scheduled Bama. Anyone who can get open at any depth and blow past them all on the long routes is just as capable as Chase who did the same thing against most of the same teams.
I know all you homers like the two WRs from OSU, but I'd take Jameson Williams from a lot stronger scheduled Bama. Anyone who can get open at any depth and blow past them all on the long routes is just as capable as Chase who did the same thing against most of the same teams.
Imagine, the kid was so damn good it's almost like he could have played at tOSU.
Oh....wait...
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Wilson is one of the best OSU prospects to come out in a long time. The guy was playing catch with Brees like a Pro before OSU.
He will go before Williams. Mark it down.
We would be fortunate to draft him.
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You're the GM...
I'd first want to change the culture of going for it all the time on 4th down. This would be a lengthy discussion of situations and distances.
I would view my QB situation as an area of concern. I would weigh any and all options with that position. This year's and next year's draft classes, free agents to be, possible trades for a veteran, any and all would be weighed against staying with Baker. Although Baker can be good...he can also be quite bad. His decision making can be quite bad, like passing up a wide open Njoku who's past the sticks for a shot at a guy farther upfield with a tighter window. I harken back to early in the season when on 3rd down he had Felton standing on the sidelines, 2 yards past the sticks, nobody anywhere near him, and he DIDN'T throw it to him. He looked right at Felton, but Instead tried to run and was tackled well short and we had to punt. I thought it was quite selfish and dumb. We need smart at QB.
I'd have to evaluate my Center position. Do I have someone that will be able to take over for Tretter?
Obviously, the RT position. Do we have a successor for Conklin? Is Conklin going to be ok? Should I consider moving Wills to RT? Is he better suited there? Is that just out of the question money-wise?
We've gotta rework the WR position! We need someone who commands attention. We need to improve the talent there to such a degree that we don't need to have Higgins on the roster any more.
The TE position...Hooper has not been great like he was in Atlanta. And we've gotta keep Njoku because he's the best we got.
On D, maybe we can get Sheldon Richardson back (no we can't). We'll need someone to replace Clowney if we don't keep him...and yet another pass rusher. LB'er is another spot where replacements are needed. And one can never have enough CB's. - I'd keep Denzell Ward. I know he gets called Hospital Ward because he gets hurt...but what CB's don't get hurt. He's freaking good! Keep him!
....quite a lot to keep a look-out for...
You're the GM...
I'd first want to change the culture of going for it all the time on 4th down. This would be a lengthy discussion of situations and distances.
I would view my QB situation as an area of concern. I would weigh any and all options with that position. This year's and next year's draft classes, free agents to be, possible trades for a veteran, any and all would be weighed against staying with Baker. Although Baker can be good...he can also be quite bad. His decision making can be quite bad, like passing up a wide open Njoku who's past the sticks for a shot at a guy farther upfield with a tighter window. I harken back to early in the season when on 3rd down he had Felton standing on the sidelines, 2 yards past the sticks, nobody anywhere near him, and he DIDN'T throw it to him. He looked right at Felton, but Instead tried to run and was tackled well short and we had to punt. I thought it was quite selfish and dumb. We need smart at QB.
I'd have to evaluate my Center position. Do I have someone that will be able to take over for Tretter?
Obviously, the RT position. Do we have a successor for Conklin? Is Conklin going to be ok? Should I consider moving Wills to RT? Is he better suited there? Is that just out of the question money-wise?
We've gotta rework the WR position! We need someone who commands attention. We need to improve the talent there to such a degree that we don't need to have Higgins on the roster any more.
The TE position...Hooper has not been great like he was in Atlanta. And we've gotta keep Njoku because he's the best we got.
On D, maybe we can get Sheldon Richardson back (no we can't). We'll need someone to replace Clowney if we don't keep him...and yet another pass rusher. LB'er is another spot where replacements are needed. And one can never have enough CB's. - I'd keep Denzell Ward. I know he gets called Hospital Ward because he gets hurt...but what CB's don't get hurt. He's freaking good! Keep him!
....quite a lot to keep a look-out for...
Great analysis overall and comment on Baker, he hasn't shown the calmness of a franchise QB this season reflected in 0/5 game winning drives. The Chargers game was another example where he missed an open OBJ that would've given us a first down in the final drive. John Kosko of PFF's been saying this all season that Baker's performance has been subpar. Hooper's such a disappointment and I don't think we can cut him without taking a huge cap hit. WR also needs to be addressed.
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