Baker Mayfield
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Here's where I'm at, in terms of how I see it for 2022
1) If we can get Wilson, Rodgers, or Carr- do it and call it a day. Obviously, the prospect of getting the first two is around 1% but Carr, to me, is a perfect fit for this offense. I think a straight trade is an intriguing prospect for both teams as well, assuming the Browns dangle a good carrot (say, a 2nd round pick that can turn into a 1st). Raiders might see what Wentz is doing and think Mayfield can be the same?
1A) Mayfield heals up and the Browns bring in some serious, legit competition. I personally don't see any eye popping free agent QB's who fit that mold, so maybe using the 2nd round pick on a prospect lights that fire under his ass.
I like both scenarios on their own, but Carr really, really intrigues me. I think he's everything Stefanski wants Baker to be and could be very attainable.
I think Derrick Carr is the only realistic option. But I don't know about giving up a first or 2nd. I guess it depends on how much/if they want to move on from Baker. I think sticking with Baker and Drafting someone in the 2nd or 3rd might be better.
I liked Carr more before I saw him play in the game against our backup JV squad.
I think Derrick Carr is the only realistic option. But I don't know about giving up a first or 2nd. I guess it depends on how much/if they want to move on from Baker. I think sticking with Baker and Drafting someone in the 2nd or 3rd might be better.
I liked Carr more before I saw him play in the game against our backup JV squad.
It is not a great draft for qb's. Next year, yes. A Garrett Wilson would have the similar effect that Chase had with the Bengals. Then, if a healthy Baker isn't up to it - you know the first pick in the 2023 draft will be a qb.
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The thing that I have the most problem with, is Baker is a 1 read QB, if his first read is there, he can fire the ball and be great, but when that isn’t there, he struggles
People keep saying, he can be good enough when things are going well
But in 2022, you need a guy that can win games, when things are not going well
And Baker has proven that he can’t win games when things are not going well
Baker has proven that he can’t win games
Yep.
- 10 minutes of outlining Baker regressing and being terrible no matter what his surrounding team consists of. Good O-line? Terrible. Bad O-line? Yep, still terrible. Get over reality and move on.. Just because someone was good in the past doesn't mean he's going to be good forever.Your ego couldn't handle the truth.
Every "accusation" you make is 100% projection - it's YOUR ego that can't handle the truth. At least you're consistent, though -- this is how you are on every forum.
As to the actual topic at hand -- Gah. I don't see how we run this back even next season because Baker is a broken husk of a beaten-down shell of a man. And Stefanski's playcalling finds a way to make things worse. One of the few things Browns have gotten correct this season is the decision to go for it on 4th down -- but of course with Baker at QB all the plays themselves are going to be poorly executed. Tank for CJ Stroud?
Let's make it entertaining this week with 3-step-drop look-right-throw-left timing passes into double coverage.. it couldn't get any worse!
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Baker has proven that he can’t win games
Yep.
- 10 minutes of outlining Baker regressing and being terrible no matter what his surrounding team consists of. Good O-line? Terrible. Bad O-line? Yep, still terrible. Get over reality and move on.. Just because someone was good in the past doesn't mean he's going to be good forever.Your ego couldn't handle the truth.
Every "accusation" you make is 100% projection - it's YOUR ego that can't handle the truth. At least you're consistent, though -- this is how you are on every forum.
As to the actual topic at hand -- Gah. I don't see how we run this back even next season because Baker is a broken husk of a beaten-down shell of a man. And Stefanski's playcalling finds a way to make things worse. One of the few things Browns have gotten correct this season is the decision to go for it on 4th down -- but of course with Baker at QB all the plays themselves are going to be poorly executed. Tank for CJ Stroud?
Let's make it entertaining this week with 3-step-drop look-right-throw-left timing passes into double coverage.. it couldn't get any worse!
Yep.
- 10 minutes of outlining Baker regressing and being terrible no matter what his surrounding team consists of. Good O-line? Terrible. Bad O-line? Yep, still terrible. Get over reality and move on.. Just because someone was good in the past doesn't mean he's going to be good forever.Every "accusation" you make is 100% projection - it's YOUR ego that can't handle the truth. At least you're consistent, though -- this is how you are on every forum.
As to the actual topic at hand -- Gah. I don't see how we run this back even next season because Baker is a broken husk of a beaten-down shell of a man. And Stefanski's playcalling finds a way to make things worse. One of the few things Browns have gotten correct this season is the decision to go for it on 4th down -- but of course with Baker at QB all the plays themselves are going to be poorly executed. Tank for CJ Stroud?
Let's make it entertaining this week with 3-step-drop look-right-throw-left timing passes into double coverage.. it couldn't get any worse!
I couldn't care less to accuse him of anything - ask anyone who knows me...
the other forum - you haven't been there. So there's that. I on the other hand, keep them separate. You should try it.
Disagreeing and asking your hater friend Hoorta hard questions is like being in the movie "Lord of the Flies" - and not being one of the haters. lol
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This back and forth argument is funny to me.
Is it the lack of a true #1 WR?
Is it Baker?
The answer is yes. Not one or the other.
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Wish he’d stop talking
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Mary Kay is garbage and Baker is correct. I've mentioned before when I've seen her at training camp - the one her head was down and buried in her phone for 90 minutes straight. Yet she's accurately reporting camp news?
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Mary Kay is garbage and Baker is correct. I've mentioned before when I've seen her at training camp - the one her head was down and buried in her phone for 90 minutes straight. Yet she's accurately reporting camp news?
Mary Kay is garbage and Baker is correct. I've mentioned before when I've seen her at training camp - the one her head was down and buried in her phone for 90 minutes straight. Yet she's accurately reporting camp news?
I hope the dumb broad gets fired from Cleveland.com and the Browns for false reporting...
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Now that the reporters are not allowed in the locker room, how do ANY of them know what’s going on in there?
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This article is a little bit less hyper.
WSS
It’s on the opposite spectrum. Says its okay to call out coaches. Once/twice during a career I guess. What they fail mention is that he’s called out everyone including the fans. I wish he would stop talking. It’s not a good look.
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Cabot continues her classless garbage reporting..(insert drama queen as her source)
I'm glad Baker put her in her chit-slinging place ?
Watch your source's out there.... this broad's job is to report on Bengals week
Tretter from his own mouth today... Reported he will be playing next season ?.. that's our best source...
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Oh good god, the drama continues.
Oh good god, the drama continues.
The silly season has begun early. LOL, Stefanski connection- Baker for Cousins straight up.
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Yes this is on the Bluetooth read but I think really helps to understand this situation. I hope everybody can get past to pay wall.
WSS
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No pay wall but just an awful article. Reminds me why I don’t read local news.
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Oh good god, the drama continues.
The silly season has begun early. LOL, Stefanski connection- Baker for Cousins straight up.
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I've touched on this before, but the Browns do not have a QB-WR situation where one position group helps to overcome the shortcomings of the other. Generally, at least for your more stable teams with franchise QB's, you can overcome the loss of receivers. Tampa Bay doesn't have Godwin, Gronk is banged up, and they just lost AB over his insanity. Scotty Miller, Tyler Johnson and Cameron Brate stepped in to contribute and the wheels keep turning.
There were multiple Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. moments in this game, but this play is really my frustrations in a nutshell. Because this should be pitch and catch. Our personnel and their inability to execute wasn't on the coaching staff. And it's the little plays like this where you take your cheap yards, stay on schedule and put together a positive drive.
Here we are again with the empty sets. Broken record, I know, I know.
Pre-snap, you can read potential space to work with for any sight adjustments. You can also do a box count and check the alignment of the defense along with a potential coverage shell and get an idea of how you'd like to attack this for those cheap yards.
Either way, you know that corner as the most perimeter man and if your post-snap adjust dictates boxing him out with the receiver, then what you're looking to do is to just take advantage of your skill players getting quickly off the line and into space before the rushers along the line can drop back into their assignments. Reading hot... If #3 is coming on a pressure, you can hit that little fire pass to your TE to his inside or outside shoulder depending on leverage of the edge-most defender (2) If 3 drops inside over your TE and 2 comes on the pressure, then your #2 just works lateral away from all the traffic.
Either way, this an attempt at an overload. The Dline shift means you're liking going to call a slide to pickup the estimated bodies. The DE to the boundary is already at more of a 4i tech. So Wills doesn't have to worry about setting to his outside edge and even if there was a slant called, the natural alignments makes it easy to widen out his rusher.
Both 2 and 3 rushers come on a pressure. The Browns Oline has a slide call and the rush is picked up beautifully. This is quality protection.
Two issues ruin this play.
1st - DPJ, instead of running flat immediately and getting away from traffic ASAP, runs 5 up then breaks out. It isn't a back breaking problem, but I've mentioned that even when this team does connect, the "polish" just isn't there. This team has struggled to get max YAC all year. I haven't seen the numbers, but if I had to guess, we're likely bottom half of the league in yards beyond expected YAC. Where example a team like San Fran leads the NFL in yards beyond expected YAC.
The finality of the play....
- Baker could have cleaned this play up, but for reasons I can't understand, he double clutches instead of putting it outside or at worst... directly on DPJ. The ball ends up too high and too far back inside. Worst of all, both DPJ and Baker allowed for the one defender who could have ruined this play to recover. It's like losing a 2 on 1 fast break in Basketball. It's fucking embarrassing. I've mentioned this offense having this same issue several times before. It's not a coaching problem right there, this is an execution problem.
Ultimately I need my QB to be able to cover up bad smells here and there from the players around him. That's why the QB is the most important piece and gets paid. Because if my QB position is settled, then I have my foundation to build around. But I've been going back and watching games as early as the 1st 1/3 of the season and this wasn't an uncommon sight. Routine plays that either didn't achieve the expected yards they could have, or were a complete bust.
So when I hear Baker say things like "I know what I have to work on"... then he's setting himself up for either greatness or total failure. Because when his shoulder and body are right and should he continue to miss throws like this, he will not be the QB in Cleveland for the 2023 season at the price a franchise QB is found.
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Fans blame Raiders QB Derek Carr for playoff loss to ...
Las Vegas Raiders quarterback Derek Carr throws during the first half of an NFL wild-card playoff football game against the Cincinnati Bengals, Saturday, Jan. 15, 2022, in Cincinnati.*****************************************************************We watched that game. Overthrows. Bad throws. A few throws thrown at receiver's feet. Didn't see a few open wr's. Sacked three times - once nearly for a safety. "Held the ball too long"......qb rating 39.2.This is who some want the Browns to trade for to replace an injured Baker Mayfield?Just.......... -
Fans blame Raiders QB Derek Carr for playoff loss to ...
Las Vegas Raiders quarterback Derek Carr throws during the first half of an NFL wild-card playoff football game against the Cincinnati Bengals, Saturday, Jan. 15, 2022, in Cincinnati.*****************************************************************We watched that game. Overthrows. Bad throws. A few throws thrown at receiver's feet. Didn't see a few open wr's. Sacked three times - once nearly for a safety. "Held the ball too long"......qb rating 39.2.This is who some want the Browns to trade for to replace an injured Baker Mayfield?Just..........Fans blame Raiders QB Derek Carr for playoff loss to ...
Las Vegas Raiders quarterback Derek Carr throws during the first half of an NFL wild-card playoff football game against the Cincinnati Bengals, Saturday, Jan. 15, 2022, in Cincinnati.*****************************************************************We watched that game. Overthrows. Bad throws. A few throws thrown at receiver's feet. Didn't see a few open wr's. Sacked three times - once nearly for a safety. "Held the ball too long"......qb rating 39.2.This is who some want the Browns to trade for to replace an injured Baker Mayfield?Just..........I'd love to see the Browns trade for Derek Carr...
I'd love to see what exciting excuses you'd come up for him.
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