More Baker noise last few days
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I have most morning sport shows on dvr series record (Good Morning Football, First Things First, Get Up, Skip and Shannon, Rome, Cowherd), and there's been a lot of chatter on the Browns trying to upgrade the QB position the last few days, either from a significant upgrade (Rogers, Wilson) or a seemingly slight upgrade (Cousins, Jimmy G., Bridgewater, et al).
Opinions differ on how hard the team is looking to add a QB and to what level they are attempting. Most today said they are shooting for the stars but will settle for a "plan B" type like Cousins if need be. So (and I know this is a rehash) where do you think things stand:
1.) It's still Baker's job to lose; team wants to see how he looks now that he'll be healthy.
2.) They've mostly moved to move on, they are tired of him and know the time is not to reach for a ring, ala LA Rams in 2021.
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3.) Baker is not the problem, if it ain't broke next season, don't "fix it" He will take the Browns to the playoffs with a dramatically more competitive wr group.
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I think its very interesting that, even with how Baker played in the second half of his fourth season with the Browns (2020 season), the team didn't try to extend him going into this last season.
Almost makes one think they really don't want to sink a lot of money on him.
Edit: That was his third season, not his fourth that I was referencing.
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I think its very interesting that, even with how Baker played in the second half of his fourth season with the Browns (2020 season), the team didn't try to extend him going into this last season.
Almost makes one think they really don't want to sink a lot of money on him.
Edit: That was his third season, not his fourth that I was referencing.
I think its very interesting that, ... , the team didn't try to extend him
Really, the only one with any ties to Baker is Berry. And we know that Dorsey and only Dorsey knew who he was picking...and he didn't tell his people whom he decided on until a day or so before the draft. So, Berry could've liked Baker or maybe not so much. He's smart enough not to say out loud if he actually wanted someone else.
So, yes, it's quite interesting that this bunch has never offered anything except picking up his 5th year option.
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I think its very interesting that, ... , the team didn't try to extend him
Really, the only one with any ties to Baker is Berry. And we know that Dorsey and only Dorsey knew who he was picking...and he didn't tell his people whom he decided on until a day or so before the draft. So, Berry could've liked Baker or maybe not so much. He's smart enough not to say out loud if he actually wanted someone else.
So, yes, it's quite interesting that this bunch has never offered anything except picking up his 5th year option.
Really, the only one with any ties to Baker is Berry. And we know that Dorsey and only Dorsey knew who he was picking...and he didn't tell his people whom he decided on until a day or so before the draft. So, Berry could've liked Baker or maybe not so much. He's smart enough not to say out loud if he actually wanted someone else.
So, yes, it's quite interesting that this bunch has never offered anything except picking up his 5th year option.
Berry might have loved Baker even more than Dorsey coming into the draft, we'll probably never know.
He might have absolutely loved him in the spring of 2018, then watched him for half a decade and said "Yeah, I'm going to pass on giving this guy a huge extension".
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I think its very interesting that, ... , the team didn't try to extend him
Really, the only one with any ties to Baker is Berry. And we know that Dorsey and only Dorsey knew who he was picking...and he didn't tell his people whom he decided on until a day or so before the draft. So, Berry could've liked Baker or maybe not so much. He's smart enough not to say out loud if he actually wanted someone else.
So, yes, it's quite interesting that this bunch has never offered anything except picking up his 5th year option.
So, yes, it's quite interesting that this bunch has never offered anything except picking up his 5th year option.
Picking up the 5th year option is the best move because as damaged goods we will only know after that "bad" year if he is any better with a healed body. One of the reasons I didn't want him was size and ability to take hits. Seems to me only big QBs can take those when they stand in the pocket and Baker is not fast enough or quick enough to escape the pocket and throw to the right option on the run.
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So, yes, it's quite interesting that this bunch has never offered anything except picking up his 5th year option.
Picking up the 5th year option is the best move because as damaged goods we will only know after that "bad" year if he is any better with a healed body. One of the reasons I didn't want him was size and ability to take hits. Seems to me only big QBs can take those when they stand in the pocket and Baker is not fast enough or quick enough to escape the pocket and throw to the right option on the run.
Picking up the 5th year option is the best move because as damaged goods we will only know after that "bad" year if he is any better with a healed body. One of the reasons I didn't want him was size and ability to take hits. Seems to me only big QBs can take those when they stand in the pocket and Baker is not fast enough or quick enough to escape the pocket and throw to the right option on the run.
But you loved JFF?
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Picking up the 5th year option is the best move because as damaged goods we will only know after that "bad" year if he is any better with a healed body. One of the reasons I didn't want him was size and ability to take hits. Seems to me only big QBs can take those when they stand in the pocket and Baker is not fast enough or quick enough to escape the pocket and throw to the right option on the run.
But you loved JFF?
But you loved JFF?
He brought escapability far greater than Baker. Unfortunately he could not escape substance abuse.
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But you loved JFF?
He brought escapability far greater than Baker. Unfortunately he could not escape substance abuse.
He brought escapability far greater than Baker. Unfortunately he could not escape substance abuse.
Just.... no.
Drafting Manziel was a horrible, horrible decision in every way possible. Even if you take away his substance abuse, he was immature and had zero interest in putting in the work it takes to be a top-notch QB.
Baker IMO is about tapped-out regarding his potential, but he's still light-years better than Manziel. He was a relatively safe, but uninspiring pick at #1. Manziel was a dumpster fire from the word GO.
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But you loved JFF?
He brought escapability far greater than Baker. Unfortunately he could not escape substance abuse.
He brought escapability far greater than Baker. Unfortunately he could not escape substance abuse.
...he got hurt once trying to outrun a LB'er to the sidelines.
My favorite Manziel play was when Bitonio turned away from his man and pretend blocked the invisible man...while 'his man' went straight at Manziel and flattened him. The TV guy handling the replays saw it and played the replay from a camera that was focusing on the left side of the OL. It was plain as day that Bitonio intentionally got JFF flattened...but the stupid announcers were talking about something completely different and not even paying attention to the replay. - it was funny as all get-out -
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But you loved JFF?
He brought escapability far greater than Baker. Unfortunately he could not escape substance abuse.
He brought escapability far greater than Baker. Unfortunately he could not escape substance abuse.
Yeah, Johnny ran a 4.7 while Baker ran a 4.8. A regular Houdini there with that speed.
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Really, the only one with any ties to Baker is Berry. And we know that Dorsey and only Dorsey knew who he was picking...and he didn't tell his people whom he decided on until a day or so before the draft. So, Berry could've liked Baker or maybe not so much. He's smart enough not to say out loud if he actually wanted someone else.
So, yes, it's quite interesting that this bunch has never offered anything except picking up his 5th year option.
Berry might have loved Baker even more than Dorsey coming into the draft, we'll probably never know.
He might have absolutely loved him in the spring of 2018, then watched him for half a decade and said "Yeah, I'm going to pass on giving this guy a huge extension".
Berry might have loved Baker even more than Dorsey coming into the draft, we'll probably never know.
He might have absolutely loved him in the spring of 2018, then watched him for half a decade and said "Yeah, I'm going to pass on giving this guy a huge extension".
I think the point both you and Orion make are accurate. I think the inconsistency in Baker is the problem and the hard read. This past season we also saw some of the negative "chip on the shoulder" some people were worried about pre draft. Being a walk on is a good story. It can also make one wonder why he had to walk on a few times? Is it just a good story or is there a problem there? Why leave Texas Tech for Oklahoma if everything was rosy? Texas Tech may not be as high profile as Oklahoma, but it is still a top program.
Looking here, Baker had problems with Hue. OK...I can understand that, but now it seems there is a disconnect with Stefanski, and even some of the fans. I get the feeling the team may be sniffing around for possible options not only because there are questions about his up and down play, but also because we might feel he won't sign with us once he becomes a free agent. Baker has already demonstrated he will simply walk away from a program for whatever the motivation.
We aren't in private meetings. We don't know what has been said, or in some cases what hasn't been said. Just because we might want baker back doesn't mean he wants to be back. Sure, we can go the franchise route to keep him, but that never works out for the team or the player.
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He brought escapability far greater than Baker. Unfortunately he could not escape substance abuse.
Just.... no.
Drafting Manziel was a horrible, horrible decision in every way possible. Even if you take away his substance abuse, he was immature and had zero interest in putting in the work it takes to be a top-notch QB.
Baker IMO is about tapped-out regarding his potential, but he's still light-years better than Manziel. He was a relatively safe, but uninspiring pick at #1. Manziel was a dumpster fire from the word GO.
Just.... no.
Drafting Manziel was a horrible, horrible decision in every way possible. Even if you take away his substance abuse, he was immature and had zero interest in putting in the work it takes to be a top-notch QB.
If you know anything at all about addiction, then you are aware that all else falls to the wayside including maturing, hard work, interest in doing anything substantial, etc. The potential was there but not the rest.
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Just.... no.
Drafting Manziel was a horrible, horrible decision in every way possible. Even if you take away his substance abuse, he was immature and had zero interest in putting in the work it takes to be a top-notch QB.
If you know anything at all about addiction, then you are aware that all else falls to the wayside including maturing, hard work, interest in doing anything substantial, etc. The potential was there but not the rest.
If you know anything at all about addiction, then you are aware that all else falls to the wayside including maturing, hard work, interest in doing anything substantial, etc. The potential was there but not the rest.
Does he still have a substance abuse problem?
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If you know anything at all about addiction, then you are aware that all else falls to the wayside including maturing, hard work, interest in doing anything substantial, etc. The potential was there but not the rest.
Does he still have a substance abuse problem?
Does he still have a substance abuse problem?
I have no idea. But I do know he is still revered at A&M for his Heisman season, regardless of later problems.
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JFF couldn’t cut it in the CFL. As a matter of fact, he was cut from an Arena Football League team called the Zappers. ?
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Does he still have a substance abuse problem?
I have no idea. But I do know he is still revered at A&M for his Heisman season, regardless of later problems.
I have no idea. But I do know he is still revered at A&M for his Heisman season, regardless of later problems.
He was a great young NCAA football player......he just couldn't handle the " fame and fortune " of being a too young NFL player.
Too bad, we never really knew how good he coulda, shoulda, woulda been as a #22 draft pick
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