Baker Mayfield
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well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
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well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc. But the thing that all of those players have in common is that they're teams moved on from them before their time. (Flacco being the possible exception)
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
True enough. You have to work with the best thing you've got....while looking under every stone.
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I still don’t understand why many are considered haters if they feel he’s not a top 20 QB.
I still don’t understand why many are considered haters if they feel he’s not a top 20 QB.
What will we see from Baker in 2022? The 2020 Mayfield, or the wounded 2021 version? Lately, when "top NFL quarterbacks" comes up.. Baker's not in the discussion anymore. Well, if he needs more stud WRs on top of what the Browns already have, it's almost a tacit admission he's Mr. Average. Not necessarily a bad thing, as Dandy Andy Dalton took the Bengals to multiple playoff berths and no Super Bowls with an equally stud surrounding cast. Are we willing to settle for that level of success? Or do what the Rams did, ship out Goff and a pile of draft picks to bring in Matt Stafford and get the big prize?
Regarding those film breakdowns Tia posted... I'm sure the Browns brain trust, as well as every opposing Defensive Coordinator has gone over them- and a lot more- dozens of times.
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I still don’t understand why many are considered haters if they feel he’s not a top 20 QB.
What will we see from Baker in 2022? The 2020 Mayfield, or the wounded 2021 version? Lately, when "top NFL quarterbacks" comes up.. Baker's not in the discussion anymore. Well, if he needs more stud WRs on top of what the Browns already have, it's almost a tacit admission he's Mr. Average. Not necessarily a bad thing, as Dandy Andy Dalton took the Bengals to multiple playoff berths and no Super Bowls with an equally stud surrounding cast. Are we willing to settle for that level of success? Or do what the Rams did, ship out Goff and a pile of draft picks to bring in Matt Stafford and get the big prize?
Regarding those film breakdowns Tia posted... I'm sure the Browns brain trust, as well as every opposing Defensive Coordinator has gone over them- and a lot more- dozens of times.
What will we see from Baker in 2022? The 2020 Mayfield, or the wounded 2021 version? Lately, when "top NFL quarterbacks" comes up.. Baker's not in the discussion anymore. Well, if he needs more stud WRs on top of what the Browns already have, it's almost a tacit admission he's Mr. Average. Not necessarily a bad thing, as Dandy Andy Dalton took the Bengals to multiple playoff berths and no Super Bowls with an equally stud surrounding cast. Are we willing to settle for that level of success? Or do what the Rams did, ship out Goff and a pile of draft picks to bring in Matt Stafford and get the big prize?
Regarding those film breakdowns Tia posted... I'm sure the Browns brain trust, as well as every opposing Defensive Coordinator has gone over them- and a lot more- dozens of times.
The Rams big prize was already bought and paid for... What part of The Rams are the flagship team of the NFL do you not understand..?.. They were never gonna lose the game... Unless an act of God transpired... The Idea that BLOWDELL could sandbag his way out of town , then come out smelling like a french whore is just all wrong... There ought to be sanctions on the Rams and Von Miller for coaxing Odell in mid season to tank his way out of town...
I hope BLOWDELL takes his cute little ring.. Sticks it on his pud then shoves it up his ass,, Never to be heard from again... I'm sure his wheels are toast now...
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What will we see from Baker in 2022? The 2020 Mayfield, or the wounded 2021 version? Lately, when "top NFL quarterbacks" comes up.. Baker's not in the discussion anymore. Well, if he needs more stud WRs on top of what the Browns already have, it's almost a tacit admission he's Mr. Average. Not necessarily a bad thing, as Dandy Andy Dalton took the Bengals to multiple playoff berths and no Super Bowls with an equally stud surrounding cast. Are we willing to settle for that level of success? Or do what the Rams did, ship out Goff and a pile of draft picks to bring in Matt Stafford and get the big prize?
Regarding those film breakdowns Tia posted... I'm sure the Browns brain trust, as well as every opposing Defensive Coordinator has gone over them- and a lot more- dozens of times.
The Rams big prize was already bought and paid for... What part of The Rams are the flagship team of the NFL do you not understand..?.. They were never gonna lose the game... Unless an act of God transpired... The Idea that BLOWDELL could sandbag his way out of town , then come out smelling like a french whore is just all wrong... There ought to be sanctions on the Rams and Von Miller for coaxing Odell in mid season to tank his way out of town...
I hope BLOWDELL takes his cute little ring.. Sticks it on his pud then shoves it up his ass,, Never to be heard from again... I'm sure his wheels are toast now...
The Rams big prize was already bought and paid for... What part of The Rams are the flagship team of the NFL do you not understand..?.. They were never gonna lose the game... Unless an act of God transpired... The Idea that BLOWDELL could sandbag his way out of town , then come out smelling like a french whore is just all wrong... There ought to be sanctions on the Rams and Von Miller for coaxing Odell in mid season to tank his way out of town...
I hope BLOWDELL takes his cute little ring.. Sticks it on his pud then shoves it up his ass,, Never to be heard from again... I'm sure his wheels are toast now...
Rams the NFL's Flagship Team? You forget about the Cowboys? America's frontrunner fans all love a glitzy winner. Don't forget I consider the Rams owner Kroenke as big, if not a bigger sleazebag than Modell.
The Rams pushed all their chips (and draft picks) into the middle of the table to get a Ring. Let's see what happens when the bills start coming due. LA fans are notoriously fickle.
Regarding OBJ, yeah- that second ACL on the same knee will likley shelve him for 2022, if not for good. But as a pure business decision, tip of the cap there. He made more in bonuses in six months than most of us peons make in a lifetime.
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well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
Jimmy G - Was carried, hasn't been back. Team is forced to carry his corpse to the finish line, which is why the drafted his replacement. - Lost
Goff - Fell off a cliff when defenses got hip to the scheme. Like Jimmy G, carried by the talent around him. He was so bad LA was willing to mortgage huge future draft capital to get rid of him and his salary. - Lost
Foles - Cinderella story. Is an average to below-average QB. Philly has limped along since. - Won
Cam - spectacular 2015 season which was sandwiched between years of up and down play including post season blunders. - Lost
Joe - Like Foles, played well over his head along with having talent around him and favorable matchups. - won
Colin - Imploded in the entire 1st half of that superbowl. Scrambled his ass off in the 2nd half then fell short. When defenses started seeing his eye patterns, he started falling apart. - Lost
Rexy - Founder of the "Fuck it, I'm throwing deep" club... Was fortunate enough to play during a stretch of remarkable Chicago defense in an NFC that had a bit of a "down" period. Never went back and never sniffed stats indicative of a playoff worthy QB who actually leads his team as the focal point of the offense. - Lost
None of these QB's ended up going back to the Superbowl. Actually the closest is Jimmy G in the NFC title game
So of this list, the starting QB's were 2 and 5. Re: Brady and Manning - they're two all time greats. But your mentioning of them is hollow. Franchise QB's existed before their time, and they'll be apart of the NFL long after they're gone. You have a group of young one's right now that are becoming the face of the NFL. If you want the most sure-fire way to not only make it to a superbowl, but to actually have a shot at keeping the window open for repeat deep playoff runs, the overwhelming evidence points to having a top-tier QB who can carry the offense and be built around - NOT built for.
Building a team so dominant at so many different positions and winning a Superbowl is as rare as finding top-tier signal callers who can lead the charge.
Can you build a competitive team and help turn around a 20 year stretch of depressing losing culture? Absolutely. Which is what the Browns should be focused on if no franchise QB presents himself. It has long been mentioned on this board, this team would be at least competitive, entertaining and prideful to watch if they got slightly-above average QB play along with a strong supporting cast. At least at that point you can make yourself a wild-card team and continue building said culture of winning games and coaching stability.
Cal, I do have a follow up about our wide receiver corps coming at some point. Stay patient.
And I noticed since I posted my last film bits, this thread has gotten just over 600 views in a few days.... interesting.
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well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
Jimmy G - Was carried, hasn't been back. Team is forced to carry his corpse to the finish line, which is why the drafted his replacement. - Lost
Goff - Fell off a cliff when defenses got hip to the scheme. Like Jimmy G, carried by the talent around him. He was so bad LA was willing to mortgage huge future draft capital to get rid of him and his salary. - Lost
Foles - Cinderella story. Is an average to below-average QB. Philly has limped along since. - Won
Cam - spectacular 2015 season which was sandwiched between years of up and down play including post season blunders. - Lost
Joe - Like Foles, played well over his head along with having talent around him and favorable matchups. - won
Colin - Imploded in the entire 1st half of that superbowl. Scrambled his ass off in the 2nd half then fell short. When defenses started seeing his eye patterns, he started falling apart. - Lost
Rexy - Founder of the "Fuck it, I'm throwing deep" club... Was fortunate enough to play during a stretch of remarkable Chicago defense in an NFC that had a bit of a "down" period. Never went back and never sniffed stats indicative of a playoff worthy QB who actually leads his team as the focal point of the offense. - Lost
None of these QB's ended up going back to the Superbowl. Actually the closest is Jimmy G in the NFC title game
So of this list, the starting QB's were 2 and 5. Re: Brady and Manning - they're two all time greats. But your mentioning of them is hollow. Franchise QB's existed before their time, and they'll be apart of the NFL long after they're gone. You have a group of young one's right now that are becoming the face of the NFL. If you want the most sure-fire way to not only make it to a superbowl, but to actually have a shot at keeping the window open for repeat deep playoff runs, the overwhelming evidence points to having a top-tier QB who can carry the offense and be built around - NOT built for.
Building a team so dominant at so many different positions and winning a Superbowl is as rare as finding top-tier signal callers who can lead the charge.
Can you build a competitive team and help turn around a 20 year stretch of depressing losing culture? Absolutely. Which is what the Browns should be focused on if no franchise QB presents himself. It has long been mentioned on this board, this team would be at least competitive, entertaining and prideful to watch if they got slightly-above average QB play along with a strong supporting cast. At least at that point you can make yourself a wild-card team and continue building said culture of winning games and coaching stability.
Cal, I do have a follow up about our wide receiver corps coming at some point. Stay patient.
And I noticed since I posted my last film bits, this thread has gotten just over 600 views in a few days.... interesting.
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well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
Jimmy G - Was carried, hasn't been back. Team is forced to carry his corpse to the finish line, which is why the drafted his replacement. - Lost
Goff - Fell off a cliff when defenses got hip to the scheme. Like Jimmy G, carried by the talent around him. He was so bad LA was willing to mortgage huge future draft capital to get rid of him and his salary. - Lost
Foles - Cinderella story. Is an average to below-average QB. Philly has limped along since. - Won
Cam - spectacular 2015 season which was sandwiched between years of up and down play including post season blunders. - Lost
Joe - Like Foles, played well over his head along with having talent around him and favorable matchups. - won
Colin - Imploded in the entire 1st half of that superbowl. Scrambled his ass off in the 2nd half then fell short. When defenses started seeing his eye patterns, he started falling apart. - Lost
Rexy - Founder of the "Fuck it, I'm throwing deep" club... Was fortunate enough to play during a stretch of remarkable Chicago defense in an NFC that had a bit of a "down" period. Never went back and never sniffed stats indicative of a playoff worthy QB who actually leads his team as the focal point of the offense. - Lost
None of these QB's ended up going back to the Superbowl. Actually the closest is Jimmy G in the NFC title game
So of this list, the starting QB's were 2 and 5. Re: Brady and Manning - they're two all time greats. But your mentioning of them is hollow. Franchise QB's existed before their time, and they'll be apart of the NFL long after they're gone. You have a group of young one's right now that are becoming the face of the NFL. If you want the most sure-fire way to not only make it to a superbowl, but to actually have a shot at keeping the window open for repeat deep playoff runs, the overwhelming evidence points to having a top-tier QB who can carry the offense and be built around - NOT built for.
Building a team so dominant at so many different positions and winning a Superbowl is as rare as finding top-tier signal callers who can lead the charge.
Can you build a competitive team and help turn around a 20 year stretch of depressing losing culture? Absolutely. Which is what the Browns should be focused on if no franchise QB presents himself. It has long been mentioned on this board, this team would be at least competitive, entertaining and prideful to watch if they got slightly-above average QB play along with a strong supporting cast. At least at that point you can make yourself a wild-card team and continue building said culture of winning games and coaching stability.
Cal, I do have a follow up about our wide receiver corps coming at some point. Stay patient.
And I noticed since I posted my last film bits, this thread has gotten just over 600 views in a few days.... interesting.
Goff - Fell off a cliff when defenses got hip to the scheme.
This could very well be Baker's fate here in Cleveland.
Average starting QB schemed to success early on with new coaching staff, defenses caught on, productivity starts to level out.
I have this nagging feeling the highwater mark for Baker in Cleveland was him having a chance to drive down the field to beat Kansas City in the divisional playoff game, January 2021.
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well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
No, not anymore, but there are, of course, Mahomes, Allens, Burrows, Herberts, Rogers and Staffords. That's four killers in the AFC alone. And that's assuming Mac Jones, Lamar Jackson aren't gonna be studs moving forward. Right now, we got the 3rd best QB in the North.
And on your list of non top 20 QBs to make a SB, you left off Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
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well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
No, not anymore, but there are, of course, Mahomes, Allens, Burrows, Herberts, Rogers and Staffords. That's four killers in the AFC alone. And that's assuming Mac Jones, Lamar Jackson aren't gonna be studs moving forward. Right now, we got the 3rd best QB in the North.
And on your list of non top 20 QBs to make a SB, you left off Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
No, not anymore, but there are, of course, Mahomes, Allens, Burrows, Herberts, Rogers and Staffords. That's four killers in the AFC alone.
Glad you mentioned that. I thought it but forgot to put it in my earlier comment. There's a little bunch of quite good QB's in the league. It's not just one or two lucky teams. But if you don't have one of the upper tier QB's, then consistent winning is just that much harder for ya. The Titans are really quite good. But they don't have the passing game to compete in shoot-outs.
Every so often a team will sneak away with a SuperBowl win....like Frank Ryan and the Browns did in '64. (a stellar game by Ryan, stellar game by the D, and Jim Brown wound up getting his 100 yards) But they were the underdog, and they weren't able to repeat. Now when Otto Graham was the QB, that was a different story. They were constantly competing for the Championship. - It's always been all about the QB.
If you don't have a top tier QB, then you must keep looking for one. Draft one every year. Even if it's a 6th round tall drink of water with a strong arm that plays at Bumfuck State. Keep diggin'.
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well, look at some non-top 20 quarterbacks who have been to the superbowl.
my opinion...
Garrapalo
Goff
Foles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
Colin Clapperdick
Rex Grossman
etc.
There aren't many Peyton Mannings, Tom Brady's in the NFL now or before.
No, not anymore, but there are, of course, Mahomes, Allens, Burrows, Herberts, Rogers and Staffords. That's four killers in the AFC alone. And that's assuming Mac Jones, Lamar Jackson aren't gonna be studs moving forward. Right now, we got the 3rd best QB in the North.
And on your list of non top 20 QBs to make a SB, you left off Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
No, not anymore, but there are, of course, Mahomes, Allens, Burrows, Herberts, Rogers and Staffords. That's four killers in the AFC alone. And that's assuming Mac Jones, Lamar Jackson aren't gonna be studs moving forward. Right now, we got the 3rd best QB in the North.
And on your list of non top 20 QBs to make a SB, you left off Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
Didn't Mike Hostetler (GIANTS) make a SB appearance too?
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No, not anymore, but there are, of course, Mahomes, Allens, Burrows, Herberts, Rogers and Staffords. That's four killers in the AFC alone. And that's assuming Mac Jones, Lamar Jackson aren't gonna be studs moving forward. Right now, we got the 3rd best QB in the North.
And on your list of non top 20 QBs to make a SB, you left off Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
Didn't Mike Hostetler (GIANTS) make a SB appearance too?
Didn't Mike Hostetler (GIANTS) make a SB appearance too?
I think you mean Jeff Hostetler, but yes he was Phil Simms backup.
And while we’re discussing terrible QB’s that have won the SB, there’s Doug Williams, Jim McMahon, and Mark Rypien.
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I think you mean Jeff Hostetler, but yes he was Phil Simms backup.
And while we’re discussing terrible QB’s that have won the SB, there’s Doug Williams, Jim McMahon, and Mark Rypien.
Yeah , Mike Hostetler was a sports reporter here who sucked now that I think about it... Ran into him in the flats acting like a drunk asshole while I was out on a date....
EDIT: Can't say that about Doug Williams cuz he's Black LOL...
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I think you mean Jeff Hostetler, but yes he was Phil Simms backup.
And while we’re discussing terrible QB’s that have won the SB, there’s Doug Williams, Jim McMahon, and Mark Rypien.
Yeah , Mike Hostetler was a sports reporter here who sucked now that I think about it... Ran into him in the flats acting like a drunk asshole while I was out on a date....
EDIT: Can't say that about Doug Williams cuz he's Black LOL...
Ran into him in the flats acting like a drunk asshole while I was out on a date....
Did the guy at least have a good time?
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Did the guy at least have a good time?
Ask him...
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Did the guy at least have a good time?
Ask him...
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I don't know his name.
Mike Hostetler you dummy.. Can't you read?
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I don't know his name.
Mike Hostetler you dummy.. Can't you read?
Mike Hostetler you dummy.. Can't you read?
Oh, I'm sorry, I was being vague I suppose.
I meant your date's name.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I was being vague I suppose.
I meant your date's name.
LOL Carolyn... Were still friends today
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No, not anymore, but there are, of course, Mahomes, Allens, Burrows, Herberts, Rogers and Staffords. That's four killers in the AFC alone.
Glad you mentioned that. I thought it but forgot to put it in my earlier comment. There's a little bunch of quite good QB's in the league. It's not just one or two lucky teams. But if you don't have one of the upper tier QB's, then consistent winning is just that much harder for ya. The Titans are really quite good. But they don't have the passing game to compete in shoot-outs.
Every so often a team will sneak away with a SuperBowl win....like Frank Ryan and the Browns did in '64. (a stellar game by Ryan, stellar game by the D, and Jim Brown wound up getting his 100 yards) But they were the underdog, and they weren't able to repeat. Now when Otto Graham was the QB, that was a different story. They were constantly competing for the Championship. - It's always been all about the QB.
If you don't have a top tier QB, then you must keep looking for one. Draft one every year. Even if it's a 6th round tall drink of water with a strong arm that plays at Bumfuck State. Keep diggin'.
Glad you mentioned that. I thought it but forgot to put it in my earlier comment. There's a little bunch of quite good QB's in the league. It's not just one or two lucky teams. But if you don't have one of the upper tier QB's, then consistent winning is just that much harder for ya. The Titans are really quite good. But they don't have the passing game to compete in shoot-outs.
Every so often a team will sneak away with a SuperBowl win....like Frank Ryan and the Browns did in '64. (a stellar game by Ryan, stellar game by the D, and Jim Brown wound up getting his 100 yards) But they were the underdog, and they weren't able to repeat. Now when Otto Graham was the QB, that was a different story. They were constantly competing for the Championship. - It's always been all about the QB.
If you don't have a top tier QB, then you must keep looking for one. Draft one every year. Even if it's a 6th round tall drink of water with a strong arm that plays at Bumfuck State. Keep diggin'.
Agree on all points: If you don't have a top tier QB, you better get one if you plan on competing for a ring. Dilfer and Brad Johnson are definitely the exceptions, especially now-a-days even compared to when they won their rings. And agree, if you don't have one, keep diggin' every year until you find one.
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