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  • gumby73 gumby73G Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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    bump time...

       NFL franchise tag window: Teams can start placing the franchise tag on players February 21 with a deadline of March 8 to tender said players. The NFL free-agent negotiating window opens on March 14 with a March 16 date for teams to be able to sign outside free agents.

    Franchise and transition tenders are calculated by adding the respective tag numbers, divided by the sum of the salary caps, from the previous five seasons, and finally multipled by the current season's salary cap. Franchise tag figures are based upon the top five salaries at each respective position, while transition tag figures are based on the top ten.

    RFA tenders are calculated by increasing the previous year's respective tender by the same rate as the increase of the salary cap.

    2022 Projected Franchise and Transition Tenders

    Position Franchise Tag Transition Tag
    QB $28,598,000 $25,651,000
    DE $20,186,000 $16,623,000
    WR $19,127,000 $16,740,000
    LB $17,417,000 $14,882,000
    CB $17,295,000 $14,904,000
    DT $16,888,000 $13,596,000
    OL $16,698,000 $14,997,000
    S $13,544,000 $11,265,000
    RB $12,536,000 $10,148,000
    TE $10,834,000 $9,332,000
    ST $5,469,000 $4,980,000

    2022 Projected RFA Tenders

    Type Amount
    First Round $5,562,000
    Second Round $3,986,000
    Right of First Refusal $2,433,000

    Restricted we have 5... De'Ernest Johnson/Chase McLaughlin/Stephen Carlson/Montrel Meander/Ifeadi Odenigbo/

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cleveland-browns/   Denzel Ward needs a Extension & J. Clowney needs taken off the market...

    Clowney/Njoku? nah... https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/2022-Browns-Franchise-Tag-Primer-183250280/

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      They need to dump Hooper and keep Njoku if they can.

      Clowney just strikes me as one of those guys that if you pay up for a multi year deal he sits back and takes it easy. 

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      @hx214 said:

      They need to dump Hooper and keep Njoku if they can.

      Clowney just strikes me as one of those guys that if you pay up for a multi year deal he sits back and takes it easy. 

      I suspect we're stuck with  Hooper 2022. $11 million dead cap hit. 

      Why has his (and others) OBJ, Landry's production gone south? Hmmm Baker? 

      Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

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        @hx214 said:

        They need to dump Hooper and keep Njoku if they can.

        Clowney just strikes me as one of those guys that if you pay up for a multi year deal he sits back and takes it easy. 

        I suspect we're stuck with  Hooper 2022. $11 million dead cap hit. 

        Why has his (and others) OBJ, Landry's production gone south? Hmmm Baker? 

        Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

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        @hoorta said:

        Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

        Well I just got my season ticket invoice....Browns raised my seats $200 to $1804 (from $1604). Of course, the $4 is for "processing" the order. Maybe they're paying Landry with the increases ?

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          @hoorta said:

          Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

          Well I just got my season ticket invoice....Browns raised my seats $200 to $1804 (from $1604). Of course, the $4 is for "processing" the order. Maybe they're paying Landry with the increases ?

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          @bob806 said:

          Maybe they're paying Landry with the increases ?

          If the plan is to re-boot the WR room?  Losing Landry now, would totally suck ?

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            @hoorta said:

            Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

            Well I just got my season ticket invoice....Browns raised my seats $200 to $1804 (from $1604). Of course, the $4 is for "processing" the order. Maybe they're paying Landry with the increases ?

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            @bob806 said:

            Well I just got my season ticket invoice....Browns raised my seats $200 to $1804 (from $1604). Of course, the $4 is for "processing" the order. Maybe they're paying Landry with the increases ?

            Yup, we also got our invoice today...  10% price increase.... Keeping up with inflation. 😁 The pay up or else keeps getting earlier and earlier.   The installment plans keep getting worse by the year too...  Used to be 5 pay, now it's apparently down to 2 payments. Or... Nah, I'm not making payments for the 2023 season starting in September of 2022. 

            Looking at the blurb from WKYC, they're not dinging folks up in the nosebleeds nearly as bad as us denizens in the 100 level.  They didn't publicly announce it, but I'm willing to bet the premium in between the 30s, 100 level seats are approaching $200 a ticket, if they're not already there. Not so long ago, that was Club Seat prices.  For sure, those prices will keep the riffraff out of the preferred seating. 

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              @bob806 said:

              Well I just got my season ticket invoice....Browns raised my seats $200 to $1804 (from $1604). Of course, the $4 is for "processing" the order. Maybe they're paying Landry with the increases ?

              Yup, we also got our invoice today...  10% price increase.... Keeping up with inflation. 😁 The pay up or else keeps getting earlier and earlier.   The installment plans keep getting worse by the year too...  Used to be 5 pay, now it's apparently down to 2 payments. Or... Nah, I'm not making payments for the 2023 season starting in September of 2022. 

              Looking at the blurb from WKYC, they're not dinging folks up in the nosebleeds nearly as bad as us denizens in the 100 level.  They didn't publicly announce it, but I'm willing to bet the premium in between the 30s, 100 level seats are approaching $200 a ticket, if they're not already there. Not so long ago, that was Club Seat prices.  For sure, those prices will keep the riffraff out of the preferred seating. 

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              @hoorta said:

              Yup, we also got our invoice today...  10% price increase.... Keeping up with inflation. 😁 The pay up or else keeps getting earlier and earlier.   The installment plans keep getting worse by the year too...  Used to be 5 pay, now it's apparently down to 2 payments. Or... Nah, I'm not making payments for the 2023 season starting in September of 2022. 

              Looking at the blurb from WKYC, they're not dinging folks up in the nosebleeds nearly as bad as us denizens in the 100 level.  They didn't publicly announce it, but I'm willing to bet the premium in between the 30s, 100 level seats are approaching $200 a ticket, if they're not already there. Not so long ago, that was Club Seat prices.  For sure, those prices will keep the riffraff out of the preferred seating. 

              Yes, I'm in the 1st row of 536, so I didn't get hit as hard as the lower bowl. My thing is, the prices increased $300 on mine for 2021, so that's $500 increase in just two seasons (I have a pair of seats).

              To be fair (& it's hard given the economy, pandemic stuff we all went through) the Browns didn't jack up prices for quite a few seasons, probably because of a 38-122 record from 2008-2017. But please don't do it again anytime soon. 

              One of my friends who moved here from Austin, Tx may have had a point. He told me our fan base is still snakebit from the 1995 move, and we are basically hostages to the team & NFL now. He also said Haslam could increase tickets $1000/season & we'd still pay it. Maybe he's right...just a different perspective on things.

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                A few numbers from  stastica  to try to put things in perspective. Right through the worst period of BROWNS football.......ever !  Loyal fans.

                 https://www.statista.com/statistics/197966/nfl-average-ticket-price-for-cleveland-browns-games-since-2006

                 I'm going to look at front office goodies later.

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                GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                  @hoorta said:

                  Yup, we also got our invoice today...  10% price increase.... Keeping up with inflation. 😁 The pay up or else keeps getting earlier and earlier.   The installment plans keep getting worse by the year too...  Used to be 5 pay, now it's apparently down to 2 payments. Or... Nah, I'm not making payments for the 2023 season starting in September of 2022. 

                  Looking at the blurb from WKYC, they're not dinging folks up in the nosebleeds nearly as bad as us denizens in the 100 level.  They didn't publicly announce it, but I'm willing to bet the premium in between the 30s, 100 level seats are approaching $200 a ticket, if they're not already there. Not so long ago, that was Club Seat prices.  For sure, those prices will keep the riffraff out of the preferred seating. 

                  Yes, I'm in the 1st row of 536, so I didn't get hit as hard as the lower bowl. My thing is, the prices increased $300 on mine for 2021, so that's $500 increase in just two seasons (I have a pair of seats).

                  To be fair (& it's hard given the economy, pandemic stuff we all went through) the Browns didn't jack up prices for quite a few seasons, probably because of a 38-122 record from 2008-2017. But please don't do it again anytime soon. 

                  One of my friends who moved here from Austin, Tx may have had a point. He told me our fan base is still snakebit from the 1995 move, and we are basically hostages to the team & NFL now. He also said Haslam could increase tickets $1000/season & we'd still pay it. Maybe he's right...just a different perspective on things.

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                  @bob806 said:

                  Yes, I'm in the 1st row of 536, so I didn't get hit as hard as the lower bowl. My thing is, the prices increased $300 on mine for 2021, so that's $500 increase in just two seasons (I have a pair of seats).

                  Ouch!  You have my empathy.

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                    @hx214 said:

                    They need to dump Hooper and keep Njoku if they can.

                    Clowney just strikes me as one of those guys that if you pay up for a multi year deal he sits back and takes it easy. 

                    I suspect we're stuck with  Hooper 2022. $11 million dead cap hit. 

                    Why has his (and others) OBJ, Landry's production gone south? Hmmm Baker? 

                    Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

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                    @hoorta said:

                    I suspect we're stuck with  Hooper 2022. $11 million dead cap hit. 

                    Why has his (and others) OBJ, Landry's production gone south? Hmmm Baker? 

                    Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

                    I'm not sure if you watched Hooper much, but that guy dropped more passes that hit him in both hands than anybody I've ever seen. 

                    Berry's worst signing by far. 

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                      I want to retain Walker and Ronnie Harrison this year.   played well last season

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                        I want to retain Walker and Ronnie Harrison this year.   played well last season

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                        @lbc-mike said:

                        I want to retain Walker and Ronnie Harrison this year.   played well last season

                        Walker played tentative last year.  Looked like he was shot out of a cannon at times for the Colts but consistently a step behind for us and I thought below average in pass coverage.

                        Ronnie Harrison it could be argued pretty easily was our worst starter on defense last year.  It was the stupid plays and penalties he made and the plays he didn’t make…one in particular there was a key 4th down play in the Charger game they are backed up in their own territory and the Chargers go for it…watch his run fill on the play. 

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                          @hx214 said:

                          They need to dump Hooper and keep Njoku if they can.

                          Clowney just strikes me as one of those guys that if you pay up for a multi year deal he sits back and takes it easy. 

                          I suspect we're stuck with  Hooper 2022. $11 million dead cap hit. 

                          Why has his (and others) OBJ, Landry's production gone south? Hmmm Baker? 

                          Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

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                          mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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                          @hoorta said:

                          I suspect we're stuck with  Hooper 2022. $11 million dead cap hit. 

                          Why has his (and others) OBJ, Landry's production gone south? Hmmm Baker? 

                          Yes, and Landry wants to stay. I'm all for that, with a restructured contract.  🙂

                          I had a feeling feeling his numbers were going down,  i was wrong  his numbers are WAY DOWN from his glory years of 2018, 2019.  And when guys get stone hands their targets go way down too.  You can't trust them any more. 

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                          Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD 1D Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD 1D Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Awards
                          Career       88 57 408 298 3024 10.1 23 150 88 3.4 34.4 73.0% 7.4                 298 10.1 3024 23 0 27  
                          4 yrs ATL     59 28 277 214 2244 10.5 16 105 88 3.6 38.0 77.3% 8.1                 214 10.5 2244 16 0 20  
                          2 yrs CLE     29 29 131 84 780 9.3 7 45 36 2.9 26.9 64.1% 6.0                 84 9.3 780 7 0 7
                          2016 22 ATL   81 14 3 27 19 271 14.3 3 16 44 1.4 19.4 70.4% 10.0                 19 14.3 271 3 0 3  
                          2017 23 ATL te 81 16 8 65 49 526 10.7 3 18 88 3.1 32.9 75.4% 8.1                 49 10.7 526 3 0 5  
                          2018* 24 ATL te 81 16 7 88 71 660 9.3 4 30 36 4.4 41.3 80.7% 7.5                 71 9.3 660 4 0 6 PB
                          2019* 25 ATL TE 81 13 10 97 75 787 10.5 6 41 35 5.8 60.5 77.3% 8.1                 75 10.5 787 6 0 6 PB
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                            And to continue with Larry's salary  news on Hopper,  he's getting well paid as a Cleveland Brown.  From Spotrac....

                            Current Contract

                            Austin Hooper signed a 4 year, $42,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $23,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,500,000. In 2022, Hooper will earn a base salary of $9,500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $13,250,000 and a dead cap value of $11,250,000.

                            CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $42,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$10,000,000 AVERAGE SALARY$10,500,000 GTD AT SIGN:$18,500,000 TOTAL GTD:$23,000,000 FREE AGENT:2024 / UFA
                              BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS  
                            YEAR   AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING OPTION CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH  
                            2020 Contract details by year 26 $1,500,000 $2,500,000 - $4,000,000 $19,000,000 $11,629,505($11,629,505)  
                            2021 Contract details by year 27 $4,500,000 $2,000,000 $1,750,000 $8,250,000 $19,500,000 $11,500,000($23,129,505)  
                            2022 Contract details by year 28 $9,500,000 $2,000,000 $1,750,000 $13,250,000 $11,250,000 $9,500,000($32,629,505)  

                            POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 3 YR, $32,629,505; $7,500,000 DEAD CAP

                            2023 Contract details by year 29 $9,500,000 $2,000,000 $1,750,000 $13,250,000 $7,500,000 $9,500,000($42,129,505)  
                            2024 Contract details by year 30 - $2,000,000 $1,750,000 $3,750,000 $3,750,000 -  
                            2024 Free Agent Year 31 UFA  
                            Contract Notes:
                            • $18.5M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2020 salary + 2021 option bonus)
                            • 2021 Option Bonus: $7M (due 3/20/21)
                            • 2021 salary fully guarantees on 3/19/2021 (injury guaranteed now)
                            GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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                              gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                              images.jpg.204d2c373cb34d81adecb05675d57e08.jpg  Told several times he 'was not good enough'... 😛 Today, the Browns tendered D'Ernest for 2.43 million dollars. Congrats DJ !   

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                                Austin Hooper's contract -- OTC

                                below is post-june-1 values selected.. not sure why it pastes this way

                                Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus   Guaranteed Salary   Cap
                                Number
                                Cap %  
                                Dead Money & Cap Savings
                                Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 
                                Total   $25,000,000 $17,000,000   $6,000,000   $42,000,000    
                                2020 26 $1,500,000 $2,000,000   $1,500,000   $3,500,000 1.5%      
                                2021 ? 27 $4,500,000 $3,750,000   $4,500,000   $8,250,000 3.9%      
                                2022 28 $9,500,000 $3,750,000   $0   $13,250,000 6.1%  
                                $3,750,000
                                $9,500,000
                                2023 29 $9,500,000 $3,750,000   $0   $13,250,000 5.9%  
                                $3,750,000
                                $9,500,000
                                2024 ? 30 Void $3,750,000   Void   $3,750,000 1.5%  
                                $3,750,000
                                $0

                                below is pre-june-1

                                Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus   Guaranteed Salary   Cap
                                Number
                                Cap %  
                                Dead Money & Cap Savings
                                Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 
                                Total   $25,000,000 $17,000,000   $6,000,000   $42,000,000    
                                2020 26 $1,500,000 $2,000,000   $1,500,000   $3,500,000 1.5%      
                                2021 ? 27 $4,500,000 $3,750,000   $4,500,000   $8,250,000 3.9%      
                                2022 28 $9,500,000 $3,750,000   $0   $13,250,000 6.1%  
                                $11,250,000
                                $2,000,000
                                2023 29 $9,500,000 $3,750,000   $0   $13,250,000 5.9%  
                                $7,500,000
                                $5,750,000
                                2024 ? 30 Void $3,750,000   Void   $3,750,000 1.5%  
                                $3,750,000
                                $0

                                So just FYI, looks like OverTheCap copy/pastes a bit more easy-to-read on this forum than Spotrac

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