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  • I'd estimate we'd need at least 3x as many charging stations as current gas pumps to standardize electric vehicles. In any major metropolitan area that will probably require new ot upgraded electric infrastructure as well as the stations themselves. We're years out from standardizing EV. Maybe a decade or even more. Democrats need to get real about this and if it's what they really want to do get to work on the infrastructure while securing as much oil as they can get. All politicians are out of touch with reality but this will absolutely wreck their election chances if they don't get it together. They won't be able to call all the families and Americans who will be hurt badly by the recession racist Transphobes until they go away. 

  • If you have solar panels at your house and you don't have a long commute then I would say electric cars are fucking brilliant right now. 

  • 7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

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    If you have solar panels at your house and you don't have a long commute then I would say electric cars are fucking brilliant right now. 

    @neo said:

    If you have solar panels at your house and you don't have a long commute then I would say electric cars are fucking brilliant right now. 

    Absolutely. If you don't you're s*** out of luck. When they are practical they will take over transportation. And then the Democrats will cry about lithium batteries. And then something else will take over but we'll have been dead for a long long time. I don't get the conflict. Cal is pulling  your dick. Or leg.

    WSS

  • So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

    @mld-woody said:

    So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

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  • So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

    @mld-woody said:

    So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

    Doesn't seem like a weird target to me. They aren't practical nor affordable for a large portion of the population. Inflation is already a bitch, and none of those people want their tax dollars going to subsidize Teslas for rich, white suburbanites. I personally think the pollution cost of strip-mining for rare-earth metals is much worse for the environment than the carbon cost of internal combustion vehicles.

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  • @mld-woody said:

    So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

    Doesn't seem like a weird target to me. They aren't practical nor affordable for a large portion of the population. Inflation is already a bitch, and none of those people want their tax dollars going to subsidize Teslas for rich, white suburbanites. I personally think the pollution cost of strip-mining for rare-earth metals is much worse for the environment than the carbon cost of internal combustion vehicles.

    @vaportrail said:

    Doesn't seem like a weird target to me. They aren't practical nor affordable for a large portion of the population. Inflation is already a bitch, and none of those people want their tax dollars going to subsidize Teslas for rich, white suburbanites. I personally think the pollution cost of strip-mining for rare-earth metals is much worse for the environment than the carbon cost of internal combustion vehicles.

    I guess it's a different flavor that Dr Seuss, Mr Potatohead, the green m&m, CRT, etc

    But it definitely is a hot button issue, and more relevant to current events. 

    I'm of the mind we keep using governmental means to push infrastructure and adoption. It looks like it's succeeding with most major auto makers. The whole value chain needs to be sustainable though, as you've pointed out. 

  • seriously.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/video-line-of-teslas-wait-to-charge

    Video shows enormous line of Teslas waiting to charge in Louisiana

    @calfoxwc said:

    seriously.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/video-line-of-teslas-wait-to-charge

    Video shows enormous line of Teslas waiting to charge in Louisiana

    Just think after they get you hooked on EVs they will need to start adding all those taxes like they do gas... road taxes, equipment tax, infrastructure taxes , etc...

  • So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

    @mld-woody said:

    So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

    Keep in mind that nonsense issues like making mr. Potato Head gender-neutral CRT allowing people with penises to compete in women's sports, product logos, green M & M's, sports teams nicknames  and a laundry list of other crazy shit would never make the news had it not been for, get ready to whine, "you guys" taking action on them.

    (Not that most of your issues aren't silly and off base but these are some of the most glaring.)

    WSS

  • @calfoxwc said:

    seriously.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/video-line-of-teslas-wait-to-charge

    Video shows enormous line of Teslas waiting to charge in Louisiana

    Just think after they get you hooked on EVs they will need to start adding all those taxes like they do gas... road taxes, equipment tax, infrastructure taxes , etc...

    @vambo said:

    Just think after they get you hooked on EVs they will need to start adding all those taxes like they do gas... road taxes, equipment tax, infrastructure taxes , etc...

    that is true. Like diesel cars. Diesel fuel used to be a good bit CHEAPER. Less processing, etc.

    Now? they got ya. Now diesel fuel is a lot more expensive. Will cost a LOT more to fuel our tractor, dammit.

    That will hit farmers also.

       So, we have two 100 watt solar panels, and we ordered a smallish solar generator. It will be great for long trips, especially if we can't have electricity at some campground. But it takes a lot of time to charge batteries. On our fishing electric motor, I leave the charger on all night to recharge the battery for the next morning. and if the power goes out for a few days or a lot worse... we can power the fan on the wood burning insert (back up to heat our home)

    Imagine recharging your electric car as fast as you can put gas in your tank. Then laugh yourself right out of your chair. Never going to happen. It's a pipe dream - a utopian fantasy. Sure, electric cars are possible to do, but not practical. I read where some article writer was saying that. "Imagine driving cross country and not hearing your engine and truck engines and....".

    Why, "imagine pretty monarch butterflies on the moon". Yeah. Go fly to Alaska on a solar powered Boeing 737.

    I just don't get it.

    With the way electric car goofs in our government spend money by the trillions more and more, you can be sure the cost of recharging your electric car will go up and up and up.

    Runaway inflation is dangerous - it can collectively grow from several directions.

  • @vaportrail said:

    Doesn't seem like a weird target to me. They aren't practical nor affordable for a large portion of the population. Inflation is already a bitch, and none of those people want their tax dollars going to subsidize Teslas for rich, white suburbanites. I personally think the pollution cost of strip-mining for rare-earth metals is much worse for the environment than the carbon cost of internal combustion vehicles.

    I guess it's a different flavor that Dr Seuss, Mr Potatohead, the green m&m, CRT, etc

    But it definitely is a hot button issue, and more relevant to current events. 

    I'm of the mind we keep using governmental means to push infrastructure and adoption. It looks like it's succeeding with most major auto makers. The whole value chain needs to be sustainable though, as you've pointed out. 

    @mld-woody said:

    I guess it's a different flavor that Dr Seuss, Mr Potatohead, the green m&m, CRT, etc

    But it definitely is a hot button issue, and more relevant to current events. 

    I'm of the mind we keep using governmental means to push infrastructure and adoption. It looks like it's succeeding with most major auto makers. The whole value chain needs to be sustainable though, as you've pointed out. 

    Sure, but they're not doing anything to ease pollution from metals mining. Just go to the third-world and mine it there. Pictured below is two decades of expansion of a nickel mine in the Philippines that abuts a tropical rainforest. The greens need to start having serious conversations about weighing the costs of carbon footprint against the cost of toxic pollution.

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    Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/rise-of-electric-cars-endangers-last-frontier-philippines/index.html

    Side note - The expansion of this mine was in large part driven by the need for nickel in electric car batteries.

  • 7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

    @cccjwh said:

    7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

    You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

    What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

  • @cccjwh said:

    7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

    You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

    What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

    What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just breaking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

    Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

    WSS

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

    What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just breaking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

    Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

    WSS

    Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

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  • @westside-steve said:

    Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

    WSS

    Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

    More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

    WSS

  • I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

  • I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

    @browns149 said:

    I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

    EV owners in Ohio have to pay $200 more.

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

    More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

    WSS