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    7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

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      If you have solar panels at your house and you don't have a long commute then I would say electric cars are fucking brilliant right now. 

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      @neo said:

      If you have solar panels at your house and you don't have a long commute then I would say electric cars are fucking brilliant right now. 

      Absolutely. If you don't you're s*** out of luck. When they are practical they will take over transportation. And then the Democrats will cry about lithium batteries. And then something else will take over but we'll have been dead for a long long time. I don't get the conflict. Cal is pulling  your dick. Or leg.

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        So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

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        @mld-woody said:

        So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

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          So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

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          @mld-woody said:

          So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

          Doesn't seem like a weird target to me. They aren't practical nor affordable for a large portion of the population. Inflation is already a bitch, and none of those people want their tax dollars going to subsidize Teslas for rich, white suburbanites. I personally think the pollution cost of strip-mining for rare-earth metals is much worse for the environment than the carbon cost of internal combustion vehicles.

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              @mld-woody said:

              So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

              Doesn't seem like a weird target to me. They aren't practical nor affordable for a large portion of the population. Inflation is already a bitch, and none of those people want their tax dollars going to subsidize Teslas for rich, white suburbanites. I personally think the pollution cost of strip-mining for rare-earth metals is much worse for the environment than the carbon cost of internal combustion vehicles.

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              @vaportrail said:

              Doesn't seem like a weird target to me. They aren't practical nor affordable for a large portion of the population. Inflation is already a bitch, and none of those people want their tax dollars going to subsidize Teslas for rich, white suburbanites. I personally think the pollution cost of strip-mining for rare-earth metals is much worse for the environment than the carbon cost of internal combustion vehicles.

              I guess it's a different flavor that Dr Seuss, Mr Potatohead, the green m&m, CRT, etc

              But it definitely is a hot button issue, and more relevant to current events. 

              I'm of the mind we keep using governmental means to push infrastructure and adoption. It looks like it's succeeding with most major auto makers. The whole value chain needs to be sustainable though, as you've pointed out. 

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                seriously.

                https://www.theblaze.com/news/video-line-of-teslas-wait-to-charge

                Video shows enormous line of Teslas waiting to charge in Louisiana

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                @calfoxwc said:

                seriously.

                https://www.theblaze.com/news/video-line-of-teslas-wait-to-charge

                Video shows enormous line of Teslas waiting to charge in Louisiana

                Just think after they get you hooked on EVs they will need to start adding all those taxes like they do gas... road taxes, equipment tax, infrastructure taxes , etc...

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                  So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

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                  @mld-woody said:

                  So weird that EVs have now become the next culture war target. I guess they're done with Mr. Potatoehead

                  Keep in mind that nonsense issues like making mr. Potato Head gender-neutral CRT allowing people with penises to compete in women's sports, product logos, green M & M's, sports teams nicknames  and a laundry list of other crazy shit would never make the news had it not been for, get ready to whine, "you guys" taking action on them.

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                    @calfoxwc said:

                    seriously.

                    https://www.theblaze.com/news/video-line-of-teslas-wait-to-charge

                    Video shows enormous line of Teslas waiting to charge in Louisiana

                    Just think after they get you hooked on EVs they will need to start adding all those taxes like they do gas... road taxes, equipment tax, infrastructure taxes , etc...

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                    @vambo said:

                    Just think after they get you hooked on EVs they will need to start adding all those taxes like they do gas... road taxes, equipment tax, infrastructure taxes , etc...

                    that is true. Like diesel cars. Diesel fuel used to be a good bit CHEAPER. Less processing, etc.

                    Now? they got ya. Now diesel fuel is a lot more expensive. Will cost a LOT more to fuel our tractor, dammit.

                    That will hit farmers also.

                       So, we have two 100 watt solar panels, and we ordered a smallish solar generator. It will be great for long trips, especially if we can't have electricity at some campground. But it takes a lot of time to charge batteries. On our fishing electric motor, I leave the charger on all night to recharge the battery for the next morning. and if the power goes out for a few days or a lot worse... we can power the fan on the wood burning insert (back up to heat our home)

                    Imagine recharging your electric car as fast as you can put gas in your tank. Then laugh yourself right out of your chair. Never going to happen. It's a pipe dream - a utopian fantasy. Sure, electric cars are possible to do, but not practical. I read where some article writer was saying that. "Imagine driving cross country and not hearing your engine and truck engines and....".

                    Why, "imagine pretty monarch butterflies on the moon". Yeah. Go fly to Alaska on a solar powered Boeing 737.

                    I just don't get it.

                    With the way electric car goofs in our government spend money by the trillions more and more, you can be sure the cost of recharging your electric car will go up and up and up.

                    Runaway inflation is dangerous - it can collectively grow from several directions.

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                      @vaportrail said:

                      Doesn't seem like a weird target to me. They aren't practical nor affordable for a large portion of the population. Inflation is already a bitch, and none of those people want their tax dollars going to subsidize Teslas for rich, white suburbanites. I personally think the pollution cost of strip-mining for rare-earth metals is much worse for the environment than the carbon cost of internal combustion vehicles.

                      I guess it's a different flavor that Dr Seuss, Mr Potatohead, the green m&m, CRT, etc

                      But it definitely is a hot button issue, and more relevant to current events. 

                      I'm of the mind we keep using governmental means to push infrastructure and adoption. It looks like it's succeeding with most major auto makers. The whole value chain needs to be sustainable though, as you've pointed out. 

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      I guess it's a different flavor that Dr Seuss, Mr Potatohead, the green m&m, CRT, etc

                      But it definitely is a hot button issue, and more relevant to current events. 

                      I'm of the mind we keep using governmental means to push infrastructure and adoption. It looks like it's succeeding with most major auto makers. The whole value chain needs to be sustainable though, as you've pointed out. 

                      Sure, but they're not doing anything to ease pollution from metals mining. Just go to the third-world and mine it there. Pictured below is two decades of expansion of a nickel mine in the Philippines that abuts a tropical rainforest. The greens need to start having serious conversations about weighing the costs of carbon footprint against the cost of toxic pollution.

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                      Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/rise-of-electric-cars-endangers-last-frontier-philippines/index.html

                      Side note - The expansion of this mine was in large part driven by the need for nickel in electric car batteries.

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                        7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

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                        7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

                        You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

                        What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

                        Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                          @cccjwh said:

                          7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

                          You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

                          What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

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                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                          You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

                          What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just breaking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

                          Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

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                            @the-cysko-kid said:

                            You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

                            What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just breaking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

                            Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

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                            @westside-steve said:

                            Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

                            WSS

                            Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

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                                @westside-steve said:

                                Again to me the solution is simple. Standardized interchangeable batteries like propane tanks at the hardware store. And they have to be available at just about every gas station.

                                WSS

                                Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

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                                @the-cysko-kid said:

                                Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

                                More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

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                                  I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

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                                    I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

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                                    I have seen recently that states are starting to charge way more to register an electric car every year

                                    EV owners in Ohio have to pay $200 more.

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                                      @the-cysko-kid said:

                                      Pain in the ass though, isn't it. You have to get out and change your battery if you exceed your limits. And I imagine those batteries are a piece larger than your standard gasoline powered engine battery. 

                                      More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

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                                      More or less pain in the ass than pulling into a station parking your car for for 5  or 6 hours? You can pull your car in and get an oil change in 15 minutes for 29 bucks. Auto parts stores and stole your battery or windshield wipers on the spot. Swapping out the battery would be easier than changing the oil.

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                                        7.5 billion going to charging stations. A bunch more money to upgrade the power grid. Upgrading the power grid by itself is going to save a shit load of energy. Not sure why we would need 3x more charging stations vs gas stations. No one has a gas station at home. Most people charge their car at home or work.

                                        You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

                                        What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

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                                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                                        You're... not sure why? Really? Maybe, and I know this is wacky, it's because it takes approximately 10x as long to half assed charge an electric vehicle as fill up at a gas station. 

                                        What the prime focus should be here is figuring how to charge the battery when driving, not just braking, in order to double the current range of the batteries. When they can do that they'll be in better shape. I have to assume me you've never worked on a construction project because let me tell you that infrastructure upgrade is going to take a long ass time. Especially if it's spearheaded by federal contractors. 

                                        Most people don't need a charging station. You charge your vehicle at home or at work. Only time you need them if you are drive a long way. Average distance per day someone drives? 39 miles. Probably less now, since so many people are working from home. 

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                                          Average city person. However you might have noticed or maybe not but there's an awful lot of not city around. 

                                          Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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