In Defense of Deshaun
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Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in bas salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfiet only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in bas salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfiet only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
I think you are overlooking the leverage one party has over the other. Deshaun and his team could call the shots.
I see questionable bargains all the time in life, sports and work. If one party is desperate stuff like this happens
edit: just listened to Papa and Charlie Weiss on XM NFL radio- they asked this same question. And said how do Browns feel that he didn’t want to go to Cleveland until all the money was guaranteed? We basically did Baker wrong in their eyes and we will regret the deal and look what we did to contracts moving forward when guys want all guaranteed dollars
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I’m no attorney but I’d speculate if he has to settle any civil suits he would only pay a percentage of what his current salary is. The less you make the less they can take
I’m no attorney but I’d speculate if he has to settle any civil suits he would only pay a percentage of what his current salary is. The less you make the less they can take
No one would draft a settlement agreement based on percentage of earnings. It's almost always just a lump sum. Even a judgement would likely be a lump sum if it went to trial, which it won't.
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Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in bas salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfiet only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
I think you are overlooking the leverage one party has over the other. Deshaun and his team could call the shots.
I see questionable bargains all the time in life, sports and work. If one party is desperate stuff like this happens
edit: just listened to Papa and Charlie Weiss on XM NFL radio- they asked this same question. And said how do Browns feel that he didn’t want to go to Cleveland until all the money was guaranteed? We basically did Baker wrong in their eyes and we will regret the deal and look what we did to contracts moving forward when guys want all guaranteed dollars
I think you are overlooking the leverage one party has over the other. Deshaun and his team could call the shots.
I see questionable bargains all the time in life, sports and work. If one party is desperate stuff like this happens
edit: just listened to Papa and Charlie Weiss on XM NFL radio- they asked this same question. And said how do Browns feel that he didn’t want to go to Cleveland until all the money was guaranteed? We basically did Baker wrong in their eyes and we will regret the deal and look what we did to contracts moving forward when guys want all guaranteed dollars
Yeah this is what has me miffed on the Browns end....business is business, but cutting guys to clear cap space, and devote roughly 25% of the cap to ONE guy is crazy (in my eyes), and to GUARANTEE it? Yikes, Haslam set a precedent that's going to irk other owners I bet.
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I think you are overlooking the leverage one party has over the other. Deshaun and his team could call the shots.
I see questionable bargains all the time in life, sports and work. If one party is desperate stuff like this happens
edit: just listened to Papa and Charlie Weiss on XM NFL radio- they asked this same question. And said how do Browns feel that he didn’t want to go to Cleveland until all the money was guaranteed? We basically did Baker wrong in their eyes and we will regret the deal and look what we did to contracts moving forward when guys want all guaranteed dollars
Yeah this is what has me miffed on the Browns end....business is business, but cutting guys to clear cap space, and devote roughly 25% of the cap to ONE guy is crazy (in my eyes), and to GUARANTEE it? Yikes, Haslam set a precedent that's going to irk other owners I bet.
Yeah this is what has me miffed on the Browns end....business is business, but cutting guys to clear cap space, and devote roughly 25% of the cap to ONE guy is crazy (in my eyes), and to GUARANTEE it? Yikes, Haslam set a precedent that's going to irk other owners I bet.
Have we ever had a “franchise” QB? I know this is New territory for us.
When Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Wilson and generally the upper echelon get paid their contract takes up a lot of the teams cap space.
Packers lost Adams, Chiefs are losing guys and will continue to have good talent cut, the Seahawks could never pay for Oline talent (they had tackle hold out and a bunch of stop gaps). The Browns will lose Ward next year. Baker hurt this team last year and this coming year by not playing like the #1 overall pick that he was…instead Joe Burrow played like it and the Bengals went to the SB.
so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss can kiss my @$$
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Yeah this is what has me miffed on the Browns end....business is business, but cutting guys to clear cap space, and devote roughly 25% of the cap to ONE guy is crazy (in my eyes), and to GUARANTEE it? Yikes, Haslam set a precedent that's going to irk other owners I bet.
Have we ever had a “franchise” QB? I know this is New territory for us.
When Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Wilson and generally the upper echelon get paid their contract takes up a lot of the teams cap space.
Packers lost Adams, Chiefs are losing guys and will continue to have good talent cut, the Seahawks could never pay for Oline talent (they had tackle hold out and a bunch of stop gaps). The Browns will lose Ward next year. Baker hurt this team last year and this coming year by not playing like the #1 overall pick that he was…instead Joe Burrow played like it and the Bengals went to the SB.
so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss can kiss my @$$
Have we ever had a “franchise” QB? I know this is New territory for us.
When Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Wilson and generally the upper echelon get paid their contract takes up a lot of the teams cap space.
Packers lost Adams, Chiefs are losing guys and will continue to have good talent cut, the Seahawks could never pay for Oline talent (they had tackle hold out and a bunch of stop gaps). The Browns will lose Ward next year. Baker hurt this team last year and this coming year by not playing like the #1 overall pick that he was…instead Joe Burrow played like it and the Bengals went to the SB.
so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
yes Otto Graham and Bernie Kosar..
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Have we ever had a “franchise” QB? I know this is New territory for us.
When Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Wilson and generally the upper echelon get paid their contract takes up a lot of the teams cap space.
Packers lost Adams, Chiefs are losing guys and will continue to have good talent cut, the Seahawks could never pay for Oline talent (they had tackle hold out and a bunch of stop gaps). The Browns will lose Ward next year. Baker hurt this team last year and this coming year by not playing like the #1 overall pick that he was…instead Joe Burrow played like it and the Bengals went to the SB.
so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
yes Otto Graham and Bernie Kosar..
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Yeah this is what has me miffed on the Browns end....business is business, but cutting guys to clear cap space, and devote roughly 25% of the cap to ONE guy is crazy (in my eyes), and to GUARANTEE it? Yikes, Haslam set a precedent that's going to irk other owners I bet.
Have we ever had a “franchise” QB? I know this is New territory for us.
When Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Wilson and generally the upper echelon get paid their contract takes up a lot of the teams cap space.
Packers lost Adams, Chiefs are losing guys and will continue to have good talent cut, the Seahawks could never pay for Oline talent (they had tackle hold out and a bunch of stop gaps). The Browns will lose Ward next year. Baker hurt this team last year and this coming year by not playing like the #1 overall pick that he was…instead Joe Burrow played like it and the Bengals went to the SB.
so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss can kiss my @$$
so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
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so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
Thats Haslam and Berry being desperate in my view...
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so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
The Vikings set that precedent when they signed Kirk Cousins to a fully guaranteed contract. The Browns may have expanded the horizons of that precedent.
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There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
The Vikings set that precedent when they signed Kirk Cousins to a fully guaranteed contract. The Browns may have expanded the horizons of that precedent.
The Vikings set that precedent when they signed Kirk Cousins to a fully guaranteed contract. The Browns may have expanded the horizons of that precedent.
Ok...I wasn't 100% certain on whether Watson set a precedent on guaranteed $$. Thanks.
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so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
Papa and Weiss kind of pissed me off this morning and generally this is where my comments were coming from. And their slight on the Browns like how does it feel browns fans that you had to go down this unchartered road to bring in a franchise QB after our current QB declined to play for us.
In Papa’s case as a Giants guy I guess it is better than having Danny Dimes and Tyrod Taylor
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Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in bas salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfiet only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in base salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfeit only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
As they say Pat... "Image is everything". If this all turn out to be this was just consensual sex in a massage parlor, we gotta show the NFL audience this doesn't look good. Should Watson get suspended for a significant number of games, (Goodell can do whatever he feels like) the hypocrisy from my POV is stunning... He didn't do diddly-do to one of the guys who pays his salary (Robert Kraft) who got charged with soliciting prostitution- and it was even on camera.
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so the league is pissed off- so what. The Browns were and are pissed when the league issues apologies on missed calls or when Josh Gordon is suspended for a year and goes to NE and on his next suspension gets docked one game…or how about getting effed with the Raiders game and COVID nonsense…but the league fixes things after they screw us. I got a tissue for Baltimore when they owe Lamar more guaranteed money. Not trying to play victim but Papa and Weiss and kiss my @$$
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
I'll comment on this in more detail in another thread Bob, but yeah- 'twas 2018 four (short) years ago the Vikings gave Cousins that unheard of at the time $80 million guaranteed. But if you break that down on a per year basis, Watson's $230 million is less than Rodgers $150 million. Watson is 26, Rodgers is 38. I don't have a crystal ball to predict what NFL salaries are going to look like in 2026, but I can safely predict when Directv loses Sunday Ticket after this year, there's bidders already out there (Disney) willing to double, and possibly triple (Amazon) the $$$billion a year the NFL is currently getting for the service. Do the math what that alone will do to the salary cap.
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Why did the Browns draw up a contract that only pays a very low number in base salary this year so as to avoid Watson having to pay or forfeit only tiny amounts in the event of a suspension? That doesn't happen when you think the NFL is going to come to the conclusion that Watson is not culpable in some way.
As they say Pat... "Image is everything". If this all turn out to be this was just consensual sex in a massage parlor, we gotta show the NFL audience this doesn't look good. Should Watson get suspended for a significant number of games, (Goodell can do whatever he feels like) the hypocrisy from my POV is stunning... He didn't do diddly-do to one of the guys who pays his salary (Robert Kraft) who got charged with soliciting prostitution- and it was even on camera.
As they say Pat... "Image is everything". If this all turn out to be this was just consensual sex in a massage parlor, we gotta show the NFL audience this doesn't look good. Should Watson get suspended for a significant number of games, (Goodell can do whatever he feels like) the hypocrisy from my POV is stunning... He didn't do diddly-do to one of the guys who pays his salary (Robert Kraft) who got charged with soliciting prostitution- and it was even on camera.
Back in the day it was not hidden or passed off as a massage parlor. It was the best little whorehouse in Texas in La Grange. Damn that Marvin Zindler for forcing it all underground.?
A decent private eye would try to find if a lot of their "customers" get similar "special treatment".
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Thats Haslam and Berry being desperate in my view...
Desperate? Nope. They were BOSSES. They did what they had to do to get the best QB available. For the record, at least one other team complained that they would have matched the Browns' offer. Deshaun didn't give them a chance. He actually wanted Cleveland. Contrary to the popular media mentality of belittling the Browns at every opportunity by saying he wanted nothing to do with Cleveland.
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There's a ton of " screwing the Browns" tales for sure & I could name a half dozen or more easily.
I'm talking the "guaranteed money" they gave Watson. That's unheard of in the NFL, I'm fairly certain.
Papa and Weiss kind of pissed me off this morning and generally this is where my comments were coming from. And their slight on the Browns like how does it feel browns fans that you had to go down this unchartered road to bring in a franchise QB after our current QB declined to play for us.
In Papa’s case as a Giants guy I guess it is better than having Danny Dimes and Tyrod Taylor
Papa and Weiss kind of pissed me off this morning and generally this is where my comments were coming from. And their slight on the Browns like how does it feel browns fans that you had to go down this unchartered road to bring in a franchise QB after our current QB declined to play for us. ....after the Browns told him they wanted him as the starter at the Combine
In Papa’s case as a Giants guy I guess it is better than having Danny Dimes and Tyrod Taylor
I'm sure the NFL radio team didn't add that snippett I put in above.
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As they say Pat... "Image is everything". If this all turn out to be this was just consensual sex in a massage parlor, we gotta show the NFL audience this doesn't look good. Should Watson get suspended for a significant number of games, (Goodell can do whatever he feels like) the hypocrisy from my POV is stunning... He didn't do diddly-do to one of the guys who pays his salary (Robert Kraft) who got charged with soliciting prostitution- and it was even on camera.
Back in the day it was not hidden or passed off as a massage parlor. It was the best little whorehouse in Texas in La Grange. Damn that Marvin Zindler for forcing it all underground.?
A decent private eye would try to find if a lot of their "customers" get similar "special treatment".
Back in the day it was not hidden or passed off as a massage parlor. It was the best little whorehouse in Texas in La Grange. Damn that Marvin Zindler for forcing it all underground.?
A decent private eye would try to find if a lot of their "customers" get similar "special treatment".
Hate to be graphic but how do you force someone into receiving fellatio without raping them? Jedi mind trick? He was never charged with rape.
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Back in the day it was not hidden or passed off as a massage parlor. It was the best little whorehouse in Texas in La Grange. Damn that Marvin Zindler for forcing it all underground.?
A decent private eye would try to find if a lot of their "customers" get similar "special treatment".
Hate to be graphic but how do you force someone into receiving fellatio without raping them? Jedi mind trick? He was never charged with rape.
Hate to be graphic but how do you
force someone into receiving fellatio without raping them?Jedi mind trick? He was never charged with rape.This boils down to a she said, he said argument.... And IF she got paid? That removes a lot of the well, he forced me to do it. If you go to the OP, the DA couldn't prove anyone was forced to do anything. Then there's also the attorney who's representing a lot of the women who IMHO is only in it to get a pile of cash for these women, and by extension himself.
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Hate to be graphic but how do you
force someone into receiving fellatio without raping them?Jedi mind trick? He was never charged with rape.This boils down to a she said, he said argument.... And IF she got paid? That removes a lot of the well, he forced me to do it. If you go to the OP, the DA couldn't prove anyone was forced to do anything. Then there's also the attorney who's representing a lot of the women who IMHO is only in it to get a pile of cash for these women, and by extension himself.
This boils down to a she said, he said argument.... And IF she got paid? That removes a lot of the well, he forced me to do it. If you go to the OP, the DA couldn't prove anyone was forced to do anything. Then there's also the attorney who's representing a lot of the women who IMHO is only in it to get a pile of cash for these women, and by extension himself.
The attorney who:
- Accepted donations to his mayorial campaign from, guess who, McNair, owner of the Texans
- Who lives on the same street as the McNair
- Whose wife is friends with McNair's grand daughter
- Has a reputation as an ambulance-chaser
Why did all this surface only after he requested a trade? Angry billionaire and scummy lawyer scratch each others back to punish Watson and make scummy lawyer richer? Too many coincidences to ignore.
Here's the submission to the court from Watson's attorney, make up your own minds, but he does make an excellent case pointing out all the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132/deshaun-watson-original-answer.pdf
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This boils down to a she said, he said argument.... And IF she got paid? That removes a lot of the well, he forced me to do it. If you go to the OP, the DA couldn't prove anyone was forced to do anything. Then there's also the attorney who's representing a lot of the women who IMHO is only in it to get a pile of cash for these women, and by extension himself.
The attorney who:
- Accepted donations to his mayorial campaign from, guess who, McNair, owner of the Texans
- Who lives on the same street as the McNair
- Whose wife is friends with McNair's grand daughter
- Has a reputation as an ambulance-chaser
Why did all this surface only after he requested a trade? Angry billionaire and scummy lawyer scratch each others back to punish Watson and make scummy lawyer richer? Too many coincidences to ignore.
Here's the submission to the court from Watson's attorney, make up your own minds, but he does make an excellent case pointing out all the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132/deshaun-watson-original-answer.pdf
The attorney who:
- Accepted donations to his mayorial campaign from, guess who, McNair, owner of the Texans
- Who lives on the same street as the McNair
- Whose wife is friends with McNair's grand daughter
- Has a reputation as an ambulance-chaser
Why did all this surface only after he requested a trade? Angry billionaire and scummy lawyer scratch each others back to punish Watson and make scummy lawyer richer? Too many coincidences to ignore.
Here's the submission to the court from Watson's attorney, make up your own minds, but he does make an excellent case pointing out all the inconsistencies in the prosecution's case:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20619132/deshaun-watson-original-answer.pdf
Just what I thought. I wrote that there was some Texas oleboys shennanigans in another thread
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