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  • @westside-steve said:

    Look I read a pretty well written study by someone that seemed like they were real research doctors. It was a study of the difference between regular carbohydrates and carbohydrates found in beer. Apparently the carbohydrates in beer are a lot less likely, for whatever crazy reason, to make you fat then ones you would find in potatoes or spaghetti. Pretty boring stuff it only a woodpecker would read but at the end I did notice who commissioned the study. Anheuser-Busch. Now would anybody guess that these researchers might have had an idea which side of the bread the butter was on? 

    No doubt research scientist can spin data toward whoever is holding the checkbook.

    WSS

    and you just successfully called out all of the "research papers" posted by Cal and the like on this board for the last decade, congrats. The "studies" coming from conservative think tanks that take donations from oil companies are what you're referring to in your post above.... not the findings from a consensus of qualified experts across the globe.

    We've done the "anti-expert" thing on here so many damn times on so many science-related topics and its more worrying each time

    @mld-woody said:

    and you just successfully called out all of the "research papers" posted by Cal and the like on this board for the last decade, congrats. The "studies" coming from conservative think tanks that take donations from oil companies are what you're referring to in your post above.... not the findings from a consensus of qualified experts across the globe.

    We've done the "anti-expert" thing on here so many damn times on so many science-related topics and its more worrying each time

    Somebody has to pay for research. If the researchers don't give the employers what they want the employers will find researchers that will.

    WSS

  • @mld-woody said:

    and you just successfully called out all of the "research papers" posted by Cal and the like on this board for the last decade, congrats. The "studies" coming from conservative think tanks that take donations from oil companies are what you're referring to in your post above.... not the findings from a consensus of qualified experts across the globe.

    We've done the "anti-expert" thing on here so many damn times on so many science-related topics and its more worrying each time

    Somebody has to pay for research. If the researchers don't give the employers what they want the employers will find researchers that will.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Somebody has to pay for research. If the researchers don't give the employers what they want the employers will find researchers that will.

    WSS

    Right, all these fat cat.... climatologists...

  • @westside-steve said:

    Somebody has to pay for research. If the researchers don't give the employers what they want the employers will find researchers that will.

    WSS

    Right, all these fat cat.... climatologists...

    @mld-woody said:

    Right, all these fat cat.... climatologists...

    They need to earn a living like everybody else. I think you're kidding yourself because politicians stand to earn a lot more money than the actual researchers. But politicians pay the bills.

    How much do you suppose the EU breaks in from the Paris Accord? How much do you think China's profitability is increased?

    WSS 

    ps check your inbox

  • @westside-steve said:

    Somebody has to pay for research. If the researchers don't give the employers what they want the employers will find researchers that will.

    WSS

    Right, all these fat cat.... climatologists...

    @mld-woody said:

    Right, all these fat cat.... climatologists...

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  • @mld-woody said:

    Right, all these fat cat.... climatologists...

    They need to earn a living like everybody else. I think you're kidding yourself because politicians stand to earn a lot more money than the actual researchers. But politicians pay the bills.

    How much do you suppose the EU breaks in from the Paris Accord? How much do you think China's profitability is increased?

    WSS 

    ps check your inbox

    @westside-steve said:

    They need to earn a living like everybody else. I think you're kidding yourself because politicians stand to earn a lot more money than the actual researchers. But politicians pay the bills.

    How much do you suppose the EU breaks in from the Paris Accord? How much do you think China's profitability is increased?

    WSS 

    ps check your inbox

    This pivot to "they're just in it for the money", when referring to the climatologists doing research at universities, etc, where they've dedicated their lifes, is hilarious. It's just the next attempt to deflect from a group that fell for the politicization of a scientific issue. Thinking these scientists got into this line of work "for the money" is hilarious. I don't care about politicians' thoughts on this issue. Unfortunately they're necessary to get anything done, but they'll just try to maintain the status quo, because that's all they ever do. 

    Again and again it seems like no real progress will get made on this issue until older generation is no longer in the political equation. Which is a shame. And backed up by polling. It's a lost cause for so many in the older generation and nothing is changing their minds. I just hope they don't leave the place too fucked up. At least not worse than it is now. 

  • May be an image of text that says 'The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it's difficult to determine whether or not they are genuine. Abraham Lincoln FonderAholit.com'

  • You break down in Bum fuk Wyoming, good luck finding a place that can repair your car.

  • @westside-steve said:

    They need to earn a living like everybody else. I think you're kidding yourself because politicians stand to earn a lot more money than the actual researchers. But politicians pay the bills.

    How much do you suppose the EU breaks in from the Paris Accord? How much do you think China's profitability is increased?

    WSS 

    ps check your inbox

    This pivot to "they're just in it for the money", when referring to the climatologists doing research at universities, etc, where they've dedicated their lifes, is hilarious. It's just the next attempt to deflect from a group that fell for the politicization of a scientific issue. Thinking these scientists got into this line of work "for the money" is hilarious. I don't care about politicians' thoughts on this issue. Unfortunately they're necessary to get anything done, but they'll just try to maintain the status quo, because that's all they ever do. 

    Again and again it seems like no real progress will get made on this issue until older generation is no longer in the political equation. Which is a shame. And backed up by polling. It's a lost cause for so many in the older generation and nothing is changing their minds. I just hope they don't leave the place too fucked up. At least not worse than it is now. 

    @mld-woody said:

    This pivot to "they're just in it for the money", when referring to the climatologists doing research at universities, etc, where they've dedicated their lifes, is hilarious. It's just the next attempt to deflect from a group that fell for the politicization of a scientific issue. Thinking these scientists got into this line of work "for the money" is hilarious. I don't care about politicians' thoughts on this issue. Unfortunately they're necessary to get anything done, but they'll just try to maintain the status quo, because that's all they ever do. 

    Again and again it seems like no real progress will get made on this issue until older generation is no longer in the political equation. Which is a shame. And backed up by polling. It's a lost cause for so many in the older generation and nothing is changing their minds. I just hope they don't leave the place too fucked up. At least not worse than it is now. 

    You are downplaying how politicized academia is. There are academic, political, and financial pressures to publish certain outcomes in any field, let alone one as polarizing as climatology. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    This pivot to "they're just in it for the money", when referring to the climatologists doing research at universities, etc, where they've dedicated their lifes, is hilarious. It's just the next attempt to deflect from a group that fell for the politicization of a scientific issue. Thinking these scientists got into this line of work "for the money" is hilarious. I don't care about politicians' thoughts on this issue. Unfortunately they're necessary to get anything done, but they'll just try to maintain the status quo, because that's all they ever do. 

    Again and again it seems like no real progress will get made on this issue until older generation is no longer in the political equation. Which is a shame. And backed up by polling. It's a lost cause for so many in the older generation and nothing is changing their minds. I just hope they don't leave the place too fucked up. At least not worse than it is now. 

    You are downplaying how politicized academia is. There are academic, political, and financial pressures to publish certain outcomes in any field, let alone one as polarizing as climatology. 

    @vaportrail said:

    You are downplaying how politicized academia is. There are academic, political, and financial pressures to publish certain outcomes in any field, let alone one as polarizing as climatology. 

    To the point where the overwhelming consensus of climatologists are reaching the same/similar conclusions? Where nearly ever reputable scientific organization in the world has the same/similar stance on climate change? How should we weight a study through a right wing think tank paid for by oil companies vs a study done by a handful of universities? 

    Sure, politics exist in everything, unfortunately. But this scientific issue has been clearly politicized by those in power to sway the public in ways to protect the status quo and keep wealth where it is. Its frustrating to watch. 

    So we'll just keep spinning our wheels for years and years and years, barely making any progress. Again, I just hope that when certain folks are no longer in power we can try to get something done. 

  • You break down in Bum fuk Wyoming, good luck finding a place that can repair your car.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    You break down in Bum fuk Wyoming, good luck finding a place that can repair your car.

    driving out west - 80 mph a lot of the time, hours straight through the Great Plains...few side roads....

    yep. seriously.

  • @vaportrail said:

    You are downplaying how politicized academia is. There are academic, political, and financial pressures to publish certain outcomes in any field, let alone one as polarizing as climatology. 

    To the point where the overwhelming consensus of climatologists are reaching the same/similar conclusions? Where nearly ever reputable scientific organization in the world has the same/similar stance on climate change? How should we weight a study through a right wing think tank paid for by oil companies vs a study done by a handful of universities? 

    Sure, politics exist in everything, unfortunately. But this scientific issue has been clearly politicized by those in power to sway the public in ways to protect the status quo and keep wealth where it is. Its frustrating to watch. 

    So we'll just keep spinning our wheels for years and years and years, barely making any progress. Again, I just hope that when certain folks are no longer in power we can try to get something done. 

    @mld-woody said:

    To the point where the overwhelming consensus of climatologists are reaching the same/similar conclusions? Where nearly ever reputable scientific organization in the world has the same/similar stance on climate change? How should we weight a study through a right wing think tank paid for by oil companies vs a study done by a handful of universities? 

    Sure, politics exist in everything, unfortunately. But this scientific issue has been clearly politicized by those in power to sway the public in ways to protect the status quo and keep wealth where it is. Its frustrating to watch. 

    So we'll just keep spinning our wheels for years and years and years, barely making any progress. Again, I just hope that when certain folks are no longer in power we can try to get something done. 

    there he goes again. He's channeling his inner Sheply bird.

    https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/climate-change/the-bogus-consensus-argument-on-climate-change/

    The Bogus “Consensus” Argument on Climate Change

    October 8, 2019

    "[Cook et al.] got their 97 percent by considering only those abstracts that expressed a position on anthropogenic global warming (AGW). I find it interesting that 2/3 of the abstracts did not take a position. So, taking into account David Friedman’s criticism above, and mine, Cook and Bedford, in summarizing their findings, should have said, “Of the approximately one-third of climate scientists writing on global warming who stated a position on the role of humans, 97% thought humans contribute somewhat to global warming.” That doesn’t quite have the same ring, does it? [David R. Henderson, bold "

  • @vaportrail said:

    You are downplaying how politicized academia is. There are academic, political, and financial pressures to publish certain outcomes in any field, let alone one as polarizing as climatology. 

    To the point where the overwhelming consensus of climatologists are reaching the same/similar conclusions? Where nearly ever reputable scientific organization in the world has the same/similar stance on climate change? How should we weight a study through a right wing think tank paid for by oil companies vs a study done by a handful of universities? 

    Sure, politics exist in everything, unfortunately. But this scientific issue has been clearly politicized by those in power to sway the public in ways to protect the status quo and keep wealth where it is. Its frustrating to watch. 

    So we'll just keep spinning our wheels for years and years and years, barely making any progress. Again, I just hope that when certain folks are no longer in power we can try to get something done. 

    @mld-woody said:

    To the point where the overwhelming consensus of climatologists are reaching the same/similar conclusions? Where nearly ever reputable scientific organization in the world has the same/similar stance on climate change? How should we weight a study through a right wing think tank paid for by oil companies vs a study done by a handful of universities? 

    Sure, politics exist in everything, unfortunately. But this scientific issue has been clearly politicized by those in power to sway the public in ways to protect the status quo and keep wealth where it is. Its frustrating to watch. 

    So we'll just keep spinning our wheels for years and years and years, barely making any progress. Again, I just hope that when certain folks are no longer in power we can try to get something done. 

    For someone who chides J on his conspiracy thread your quite the hypocrite.

    Your global warming crap has far more BS in it than just about anything J posts.

  • If you can't agree on reality, there is no way to have a debate. 

  • And cal posts a link from a right wing think tank, started by a Koch brother and funded by Exxon, among others ... 

    But it's those fat cat university professors we need to worry about!

    Again, this is a lost cause for certain folks. They've been conditioned to think what they think and there's no changing it. We just have to wait until they're no longer part of the political equation

  • And cal posts a link from a right wing think tank, started by a Koch brother and funded by Exxon, among others ... 

    But it's those fat cat university professors we need to worry about!

    Again, this is a lost cause for certain folks. They've been conditioned to think what they think and there's no changing it. We just have to wait until they're no longer part of the political equation

    @mld-woody said:

    And cal posts a link from a right wing think tank, started by a Koch brother and funded by Exxon, among others ... 

    But it's those fat cat university professors we need to worry about!

    Again, this is a lost cause for certain folks. They've been conditioned to think what they think and there's no changing it. We just have to wait until they're no longer part of the political equation

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  • @vaportrail said:

    You are downplaying how politicized academia is. There are academic, political, and financial pressures to publish certain outcomes in any field, let alone one as polarizing as climatology. 

    To the point where the overwhelming consensus of climatologists are reaching the same/similar conclusions? Where nearly ever reputable scientific organization in the world has the same/similar stance on climate change? How should we weight a study through a right wing think tank paid for by oil companies vs a study done by a handful of universities? 

    Sure, politics exist in everything, unfortunately. But this scientific issue has been clearly politicized by those in power to sway the public in ways to protect the status quo and keep wealth where it is. Its frustrating to watch. 

    So we'll just keep spinning our wheels for years and years and years, barely making any progress. Again, I just hope that when certain folks are no longer in power we can try to get something done. 

    @mld-woody said:

    To the point where the overwhelming consensus of climatologists are reaching the same/similar conclusions? Where nearly ever reputable scientific organization in the world has the same/similar stance on climate change? How should we weight a study through a right wing think tank paid for by oil companies vs a study done by a handful of universities? 

    Sure, politics exist in everything, unfortunately. But this scientific issue has been clearly politicized by those in power to sway the public in ways to protect the status quo and keep wealth where it is. Its frustrating to watch. 

    So we'll just keep spinning our wheels for years and years and years, barely making any progress. Again, I just hope that when certain folks are no longer in power we can try to get something done. 

    Climatology research should determine economic policy?

    Here's an open letter penned this week by 500 academics, mostly climatologists, who recommend that funding from oil companies be banned for research on climate change, the environment, and energy policy. You agree with that?
    Source: https://fossilfreeresearch.com/

    Do you really believe that we have been "barely making any progress" in our lifetimes? You can see wind farms all over the country. Hell, even private industry is making efforts to go green - on the east side of Cleveland, you have a massive wind turbine with "Lincoln Electric" written on the side of it and the Progressive HQ has a giant field of solar panels (for all the good that will do in northeast Ohio weather).

    You can't run a modern economy on renewable resources. No one wants nuclear power plants or wind farms because of NIMBYism. Ohio has 2 nuclear power plants, wind farms in the northwest region of the state, and 6 hydroelectric dams. All of that adds up to a grand total of 5% of energy consumed by the state. 
    Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=OH#tabs-1

  • will the woodpecker grow up? will he ever admit he voted for

    the death, destruction and war crimes going on in the Ukraine?

    Will he ever stop moulting?

    How and Why Birds Molt - The Spruce

    How Birds Molt . The exact cycles, frequency, and timing of molts vary for different species, but every bird shares some similarities when molting. In general, feathers are molted in a symmetrical pattern across the bird's wings, tail, and body so it retains its balance for flight. The entire cycle typically takes 5-12 weeks, though ducks often ...
  • hey woodpecker:

    feel like a complete fool yet?

    they invest is what they are selling....

    https://republicandaily.com/2022/03/pelosi-makes-big-green-energy-stock-trade/

    Pelosi Makes Big Green Energy Stock Trade

  • hey woodpecker:

    feel like a complete fool yet?

    they invest is what they are selling....

    https://republicandaily.com/2022/03/pelosi-makes-big-green-energy-stock-trade/

    Pelosi Makes Big Green Energy Stock Trade

    @calfoxwc said:

    hey woodpecker:

    feel like a complete fool yet?

    they invest is what they are selling....

    https://republicandaily.com/2022/03/pelosi-makes-big-green-energy-stock-trade/

    Pelosi Makes Big Green Energy Stock Trade

    I'm against representatives and senators owning any stocks. I made a thread about this. You refused to agree, tiptoed around the subject, and then started vomiting up links and woodpecker gifs. 

    Congressmen on both sides of the aisle do this practice. I want to ban them owning stocks. You're incapable of potentially ever agreeing with a Dem... so you gave no real answer. 

    Pelosi doing shady stuff with the stock market speaks to the issue of politicians being able to sell stocks btw, not anything to do with climate change.