I don't go to the NFL for my morals
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From Jim Brown wikipedia:
"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.
In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".
In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.
In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.
In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.
In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.
Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".
No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.
And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.
Also almost 70% of all rapes go unreported...should we name the college boys who got off from brutal rapes?
Also almost 70% of all rapes go unreported...should we name the college boys who got off from brutal rapes?
Depends on what you believe. Is it better, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, for 100 guilty persons to escape than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly? Or should we go back to the old country style of justice where an individual is guilty until proven innocent?
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Also almost 70% of all rapes go unreported...should we name the college boys who got off from brutal rapes?
Depends on what you believe. Is it better, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, for 100 guilty persons to escape than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly? Or should we go back to the old country style of justice where an individual is guilty until proven innocent?
Depends on what you believe. Is it better, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, for 100 guilty persons to escape than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly? Or should we go back to the old country style of justice where an individual is guilty until proven innocent?
I believe statistics, historical data, research and eye witness accounts.
Even Guilty rapists are getting away or slap on the wrist..see: Brock Turner...especially on college campuses.
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Do you have any Jim Brown merchandise or are a Jim Brown fan? If so, aren't you being a tad hypocritical?
nope. never once. Jim Brown was an ardent racist back then, and his domestic violence - Dad and I did not respect him at all.
Leroy Kelly was our favorite rb back then. He was great, too. Would you give three NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICKS for McDowell after he did what he did?
me neither.
I never said I was going to root for the ratbirds and squealers after this fiasco. I just said I'm done with spending time watching their games.
haslams and berry apparently don't give a damn that they have divided their fans into two groups after this controversy....all they care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the networks.
so be it. let the network execs buy all their tickets. I won't even watch them anymore.
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Jim Brown went to prison. I don't exactly recall was he charged with assault and battery on women or misdemeanor vandalism?
From Jim Brown wikipedia:
"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.
In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".
In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.
In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.
In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.
In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.
Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".
...At any rate if anybody can prove that all 22 of those chicks were lying I think they should be charged with crimes.
Disagree?
WSS
No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.
And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.
From Jim Brown wikipedia:
"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.
In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".
In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.
In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.
In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.
In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.
Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".
No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.
And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.
Like I said he did jail time for the things he was convicted of. The other accusations I guess he's in the same boat as Watson. As for your last wine I agree with you I think that's a shity thing for a woman to do and I think it happens too often. Probably because they don't really seem to be any consequences.
WSS
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As another person mentioned earlier in the thread, Jim Brown is considered to be the greatest Cleveland Browns player in the franchise's history, and probably one of it's most beloved players by Browns fans, many on here included.
He's also confirmed to be a giant fuckin' scumbag when it comes to women.
But sure, go ahead and give your Browns fandom up over someone who's had two grand juries decline to indict him due to lack of evidence and instead continue to idolize a confirmed woman beater and alleged rapist, who actually served jail time for the former charge.
It still does not excuse Watson for being a DUMB FUCK and getting himself into this mess... Which had he used his fucking head... All couldve been avoided.
So whats to stop him from doing more stupid shit?
It still does not excuse Watson for being a DUMB FUCK and getting himself into this mess... Which had he used his fucking head... All couldve been avoided
Nope.
The agency in this wasn't Watson's.
Watson's interactions with women are actually a red herring because none of us will likely know for certain precisely what happened. The only thing we do know for certain is that whatever happened both wasn't criminal and wasn't enough to deliver an indictment. This is your weekly reminder that hearsay can, in fact, be testimony -- because in reality very few cases ever have "smoking-gun evidence" -- and even with all those witnesses they still ended up with bupkis not once but twice.
The lawsuits came purely because Watson forced his way out of Texas.. The ONLY way this could have been avoided is if Watson remained with Houston.
If Watson had remained in Houston, "magically" zero lawsuits would have been filed against him and this wouldn't be a thing.
Are the women money-grabbing? Sure, but not from Watson. From McNair..
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It still does not excuse Watson for being a DUMB FUCK and getting himself into this mess... Which had he used his fucking head... All couldve been avoided
Nope.
The agency in this wasn't Watson's.
Watson's interactions with women are actually a red herring because none of us will likely know for certain precisely what happened. The only thing we do know for certain is that whatever happened both wasn't criminal and wasn't enough to deliver an indictment. This is your weekly reminder that hearsay can, in fact, be testimony -- because in reality very few cases ever have "smoking-gun evidence" -- and even with all those witnesses they still ended up with bupkis not once but twice.
The lawsuits came purely because Watson forced his way out of Texas.. The ONLY way this could have been avoided is if Watson remained with Houston.
If Watson had remained in Houston, "magically" zero lawsuits would have been filed against him and this wouldn't be a thing.
Are the women money-grabbing? Sure, but not from Watson. From McNair..
Nope.
The agency in this wasn't Watson's.
Watson's interactions with women are actually a red herring because none of us will likely know for certain precisely what happened. The only thing we do know for certain is that whatever happened both wasn't criminal and wasn't enough to deliver an indictment. This is your weekly reminder that hearsay can, in fact, be testimony -- because in reality very few cases ever have "smoking-gun evidence" -- and even with all those witnesses they still ended up with bupkis not once but twice.
The lawsuits came purely because Watson forced his way out of Texas.. The ONLY way this could have been avoided is if Watson remained with Houston.
If Watson had remained in Houston, "magically" zero lawsuits would have been filed against him and this wouldn't be a thing.
Are the women money-grabbing? Sure, but not from Watson. From McNair..
And it was a Grand Jury....they can indict almost over any reason....
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Do you have any Jim Brown merchandise or are a Jim Brown fan? If so, aren't you being a tad hypocritical?
nope. never once. Jim Brown was an ardent racist back then, and his domestic violence - Dad and I did not respect him at all.
Leroy Kelly was our favorite rb back then. He was great, too. Would you give three NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICKS for McDowell after he did what he did?
me neither.
I never said I was going to root for the ratbirds and squealers after this fiasco. I just said I'm done with spending time watching their games.
haslams and berry apparently don't give a damn that they have divided their fans into two groups after this controversy....all they care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the networks.
so be it. let the network execs buy all their tickets. I won't even watch them anymore.
nope. never once. Jim Brown was an ardent racist back then, and his domestic violence - Dad and I did not respect him at all.
Leroy Kelly was our favorite rb back then. He was great, too. Would you give three NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICKS for McDowell after he did what he did?
me neither.
I never said I was going to root for the ratbirds and squealers after this fiasco. I just said I'm done with spending time watching their games.
haslams and berry apparently don't give a damn that they have divided their fans into two groups after this controversy....all they care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the networks.
so be it. let the network execs buy all their tickets. I won't even watch them anymore.
Brown was a racist? Did he have reasons?
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nope. never once. Jim Brown was an ardent racist back then, and his domestic violence - Dad and I did not respect him at all.
Leroy Kelly was our favorite rb back then. He was great, too. Would you give three NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICKS for McDowell after he did what he did?
me neither.
I never said I was going to root for the ratbirds and squealers after this fiasco. I just said I'm done with spending time watching their games.
haslams and berry apparently don't give a damn that they have divided their fans into two groups after this controversy....all they care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the networks.
so be it. let the network execs buy all their tickets. I won't even watch them anymore.
Brown was a racist? Did he have reasons?
Brown was a racist? Did he have reasons?
My old man hungout with Jim Brown... Never once said he was racist... They just have a few drinks together at the Left Bank in the Flats...
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