Schefter: Watson to Browns
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QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
For some odd reason I actually pictured this and literally laughed out loud
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QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
I'm genuinely curious about something Steve, and this is not meant to be snarky.
Since I've been on this board, of all the moderators or longtime guys on here, you really don't post that often on the Browns forum. You have your movie forum, the Shrine to Deep Thought that is the political forum, but you really don't post very much on the actual Browns forum. Not during 1-31, or the playoff run of 2020.
Until it appeared Baker Mayfield was going to lose his starting job, and then did lose his starting job. Now you are on here consistently. I'm just curious to why now.
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So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
I'm genuinely curious about something Steve, and this is not meant to be snarky.
Since I've been on this board, of all the moderators or longtime guys on here, you really don't post that often on the Browns forum. You have your movie forum, the Shrine to Deep Thought that is the political forum, but you really don't post very much on the actual Browns forum. Not during 1-31, or the playoff run of 2020.
Until it appeared Baker Mayfield was going to lose his starting job, and then did lose his starting job. Now you are on here consistently. I'm just curious to why now.
I'm just curious
Perhaps I haven't been here long enough...but I haven't noticed much of a difference in his posting frequency. He always posts Pluto updates. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
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QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
Quarter of a billion guaranteed
I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
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I'm just curious
Perhaps I haven't been here long enough...but I haven't noticed much of a difference in his posting frequency. He always posts Pluto updates. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
Perhaps I haven't been here long enough...but I haven't noticed much of a difference in his posting frequency. He always posts Pluto updates. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
You could be correct, if just seems like he's been on here far more lately than I ever remembering before. Sure, he'd post Pluto links, but actually participating in daily threads? It feels like it has increased of late, not a bad thing of course, just an observation. I was curious to why Baker Mayfield seems to be the catalyst to Steve actually becoming a regular on the Browns forum.
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Quarter of a billion guaranteed
I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
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I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
No...but they were paying the guys on defense like they're quarterbacks......Ed Reed, Ray Lewis....
Besides...it's a new NFL. Tampa and the Rams showed this. Get the elite QB, Go all in on the pieces around him....that's your best bet.
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I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
They seem like idiots to me.
No argument there. And you can lump their son in law in there with them. Just look at what they did to the uniforms a few years back...
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I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
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If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
Exactly.....because WTF has the previous methods gotten us?
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So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
I'm genuinely curious about something Steve, and this is not meant to be snarky.
Since I've been on this board, of all the moderators or longtime guys on here, you really don't post that often on the Browns forum. You have your movie forum, the Shrine to Deep Thought that is the political forum, but you really don't post very much on the actual Browns forum. Not during 1-31, or the playoff run of 2020.
Until it appeared Baker Mayfield was going to lose his starting job, and then did lose his starting job. Now you are on here consistently. I'm just curious to why now.
I'm genuinely curious about something Steve, and this is not meant to be snarky.
Since I've been on this board, of all the moderators or longtime guys on here, you really don't post that often on the Browns forum. You have your movie forum, the Shrine to Deep Thought that is the political forum, but you really don't post very much on the actual Browns forum. Not during 1-31, or the playoff run of 2020.
Until it appeared Baker Mayfield was going to lose his starting job, and then did lose his starting job. Now you are on here consistently. I'm just curious to why now.
Well since your curiosity is genuine I've really been around for a long time, I go back to the old AOL days, and always been up and down concerning activity. Always been a fan always watch every possible game and always have my handful of guys I root for. And more often than not that eventually leads to disappointment. I don't think that's an uncommon feeling. We still have guys here that hate Belichick over the Bernie Kosar situation. I don't consider myself an expert or even much of a student of the game. Frankly the most knowledgeable people here probably know less than the guy that fetches coffee at Berea.
As far as being a frequent contributor it's been a long drought with not a whole lot to discuss. Form a bond with an a player for whatever reason and it's not long before this idiot Haslam tears the team apart and starts over. But for myself oh, and that's all I can speak to, I have felt a special kinship with Mayfield.
High pick or not he's been the underdog his whole life and has gone through how many head coaches and offensive coordinators here? So after the cage of wandering in the desert there's a guy I really like leaving the team to what I thought could be the turning point this coming season. Ups and downs WTF. So I'm just more interested and more vocal and I've been for a little while. We didn't know each during the Brian Sipe years or the Vinny Bernie controversy years.(if you were aware around that time there were Browns fans wearing Dallas and Miami jerseys with Kosar's name.) Even the Brady Quinn years. JFF who really let me down. Dilfer, Zeier, Mc Cown Charley etc.
Anyway after four years of shit I was stoked for the upcoming season, which I believed would be a watershed, until Haslam, who I think is an idiot, pulled the rug with a deal I think is truly insane. AND for a guy I didn't like regardless of off-the-field innuendo. Sorry I freely admit I root for personalities and would always prefer a 60- nothing beat down of the Steelers to what some people call a good game. And let's face it it's 99% territorial loyalty. Unlike the clowns out there wearing Los Angeles jerseys until next Super Bowl. So that's all I can tell you my active participation Rises and falls. Similarly I like Higgins and was hoping for more with Parkey and the hammer among others, but not worth dozens of posts on minor issues.
Anyway everybody has their own individual set of criteria and not that I think it's much of a comparison let me ask you this, how would you have felt had the Browns signed Michael Vick?
I'm not comparing him to Watson just wondering how the win at all costs attitude holds up.
WSS
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If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
Everybody has their own reasons for watching the broadcast buying tickets or jerseys or other paraphernalia. Like Pilate said we all have truths are mine the same as yours?
When I take of the Jets I think of Joe Namath my favorite football player we never wore brown and orange. When I think of the Buffalo Bills I think of Frank & Teresa's Anchor Bar and the curse of Doug Flutie, the New England Patriots? Bill Belichick and wishing he would have stayed in Cleveland. And that every Championship they win pushes the Steelers further Back Into Obscurity. Other teams varying levels of hatred or not caring.
Anyway the best I can do is take a wait-and-see attitude.
WSS
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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
Everybody has their own reasons for watching the broadcast buying tickets or jerseys or other paraphernalia. Like Pilate said we all have truths are mine the same as yours?
When I take of the Jets I think of Joe Namath my favorite football player we never wore brown and orange. When I think of the Buffalo Bills I think of Frank & Teresa's Anchor Bar and the curse of Doug Flutie, the New England Patriots? Bill Belichick and wishing he would have stayed in Cleveland. And that every Championship they win pushes the Steelers further Back Into Obscurity. Other teams varying levels of hatred or not caring.
Anyway the best I can do is take a wait-and-see attitude.
WSS
Everybody has their own reasons for watching the broadcast buying tickets or jerseys or other paraphernalia. Like Pilate said we all have truths are mine the same as yours?
When I take of the Jets I think of Joe Namath my favorite football player we never wore brown and orange. When I think of the Buffalo Bills I think of Frank & Teresa's Anchor Bar and the curse of Doug Flutie, the New England Patriots? Bill Belichick and wishing he would have stayed in Cleveland. And that every Championship they win pushes the Steelers further Back Into Obscurity. Other teams varying levels of hatred or not caring.
Anyway the best I can do is take a wait-and-see attitude.
WSS
You make valid points but the bottomline is winning games....which is obvious...
You think as detailed oriented as the Pats are that they didn't know Aaron Herneadez was a murdering psycho? Let alone Goodell throwing away their cheat tapes
You think the Ravens didn't try and hide the fact that ray Lewis was involved in a double murder and paid off both families? Heck, he is a liaison for the league now
You play to win the game.....when you win the Superbowl...no one cares about anything else
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Everybody has their own reasons for watching the broadcast buying tickets or jerseys or other paraphernalia. Like Pilate said we all have truths are mine the same as yours?
When I take of the Jets I think of Joe Namath my favorite football player we never wore brown and orange. When I think of the Buffalo Bills I think of Frank & Teresa's Anchor Bar and the curse of Doug Flutie, the New England Patriots? Bill Belichick and wishing he would have stayed in Cleveland. And that every Championship they win pushes the Steelers further Back Into Obscurity. Other teams varying levels of hatred or not caring.
Anyway the best I can do is take a wait-and-see attitude.
WSS
You make valid points but the bottomline is winning games....which is obvious...
You think as detailed oriented as the Pats are that they didn't know Aaron Herneadez was a murdering psycho? Let alone Goodell throwing away their cheat tapes
You think the Ravens didn't try and hide the fact that ray Lewis was involved in a double murder and paid off both families? Heck, he is a liaison for the league now
You play to win the game.....when you win the Superbowl...no one cares about anything else
You make valid points but the bottomline is winning games....which is obvious...
You think as detailed oriented as the Pats are that they didn't know Aaron Herneadez was a murdering psycho? Let alone Goodell throwing away their cheat tapes
You think the Ravens didn't try and hide the fact that ray Lewis was involved in a double murder and paid off both families? Heck, he is a liaison for the league now
You play to win the game.....when you win the Superbowl...no one cares about anything else
Don't know, don't care. If you've been following along I'm not talking about the 22 chicks. It's the deal. It's the fact that he refused to play for the Texans because they didn't like who they hired. A quarter of a billion dollars guaranteed he will have even less reason the play if he doesn't like something. Also he really didn't want to be here and only grudgingly wound up in Cleveland when the other suitors folded and Jimmy saw the bet + raise them. When he says he didn't even consider the contract he's lying.
I'm saying that I like Baker Mayfield and I believed that his being healthy and the rest of the obstacles coming together for the rest of the team would have been a successful run in 23.
But still if this doesn't bring a Super Bowl ring we've crippled the team for years to come.
WSS
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You make valid points but the bottomline is winning games....which is obvious...
You think as detailed oriented as the Pats are that they didn't know Aaron Herneadez was a murdering psycho? Let alone Goodell throwing away their cheat tapes
You think the Ravens didn't try and hide the fact that ray Lewis was involved in a double murder and paid off both families? Heck, he is a liaison for the league now
You play to win the game.....when you win the Superbowl...no one cares about anything else
Don't know, don't care. If you've been following along I'm not talking about the 22 chicks. It's the deal. It's the fact that he refused to play for the Texans because they didn't like who they hired. A quarter of a billion dollars guaranteed he will have even less reason the play if he doesn't like something. Also he really didn't want to be here and only grudgingly wound up in Cleveland when the other suitors folded and Jimmy saw the bet + raise them. When he says he didn't even consider the contract he's lying.
I'm saying that I like Baker Mayfield and I believed that his being healthy and the rest of the obstacles coming together for the rest of the team would have been a successful run in 23.
But still if this doesn't bring a Super Bowl ring we've crippled the team for years to come.
WSS
Don't know, don't care. If you've been following along I'm not talking about the 22 chicks. It's the deal. It's the fact that he refused to play for the Texans because they didn't like who they hired. A quarter of a billion dollars guaranteed he will have even less reason the play if he doesn't like something. Also he really didn't want to be here and only grudgingly wound up in Cleveland when the other suitors folded and Jimmy saw the bet + raise them. When he says he didn't even consider the contract he's lying.
I'm saying that I like Baker Mayfield and I believed that his being healthy and the rest of the obstacles coming together for the rest of the team would have been a successful run in 23.
But still if this doesn't bring a Super Bowl ring we've crippled the team for years to come.
WSS
Actually your point was regarding ethics.
The deal ? Really? The deal will be mid level in 2 years and the Browns are still 20 mill under the cap. Where did the previous road get us before? Crippled us from what....no Superbowl . Burrows, Jackson and who ever the Steelers get will be getting more...thus screwing them.
As in his bout with the Texans...ask JJ Watt and D .Hopkins about it. No one but you and Texans fans had a problem with Watson not playing there. It was waaay more than just who they hired.....
I'm saying Baker is good if everything around him is damn near great. -not elite. Other than that...the league is showing you what they think. He is only 18 mill and no one is trying to beat down his door. His mouth and antics with inferior play is costing him. As in his injuries...he got injured behind a top line....what makes you think he won't again? He decided to play and he decided no one else could make that decision. Well......that's on him
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Don't know, don't care. If you've been following along I'm not talking about the 22 chicks. It's the deal. It's the fact that he refused to play for the Texans because they didn't like who they hired. A quarter of a billion dollars guaranteed he will have even less reason the play if he doesn't like something. Also he really didn't want to be here and only grudgingly wound up in Cleveland when the other suitors folded and Jimmy saw the bet + raise them. When he says he didn't even consider the contract he's lying.
I'm saying that I like Baker Mayfield and I believed that his being healthy and the rest of the obstacles coming together for the rest of the team would have been a successful run in 23.
But still if this doesn't bring a Super Bowl ring we've crippled the team for years to come.
WSS
Actually your point was regarding ethics.
The deal ? Really? The deal will be mid level in 2 years and the Browns are still 20 mill under the cap. Where did the previous road get us before? Crippled us from what....no Superbowl . Burrows, Jackson and who ever the Steelers get will be getting more...thus screwing them.
As in his bout with the Texans...ask JJ Watt and D .Hopkins about it. No one but you and Texans fans had a problem with Watson not playing there. It was waaay more than just who they hired.....
I'm saying Baker is good if everything around him is damn near great. -not elite. Other than that...the league is showing you what they think. He is only 18 mill and no one is trying to beat down his door. His mouth and antics with inferior play is costing him. As in his injuries...he got injured behind a top line....what makes you think he won't again? He decided to play and he decided no one else could make that decision. Well......that's on him
Actually your point was regarding ethics.
The deal ? Really? The deal will be mid level in 2 years and the Browns are still 20 mill under the cap. Where did the previous road get us before? Crippled us from what....no Superbowl . Burrows, Jackson and who ever the Steelers get will be getting more...thus screwing them.
As in his bout with the Texans...ask JJ Watt and D .Hopkins about it. No one but you and Texans fans had a problem with Watson not playing there. It was waaay more than just who they hired.....
I'm saying Baker is good if everything around him is damn near great. -not elite. Other than that...the league is showing you what they think. He is only 18 mill and no one is trying to beat down his door. His mouth and antics with inferior play is costing him. As in his injuries...he got injured behind a top line....what makes you think he won't again? He decided to play and he decided no one else could make that decision. Well......that's on him
I don't think my point was necessarily about ethics maybe you could cut and paste the line that led you to believe that, maybe I was wrong maybe I was misunderstood. No s*** his price is only 18 million bucks. If I'm shopping at a yard sale at an item cost x amount of dollars I know that after the sale is over it's going to be on the curb and I can get it for free. Neither his mouth nor his antics have concern me.
As far as only me and Texans fans don't even count me. I'd rather he was back at Texas f****** with them. But when he pulls the same s*** here then he's f****** with the Browns and Texans fans won't care. Then again maybe he won't. Maybe he's changed his ways. Maybe he loves it here. Maybe being a good soldier is first on his list of things to do. Maybe just maybe he decided to come to Cleveland because he thought we were ready to win. And not the money. Wait a minute who am I kidding...?
WSS
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Actually your point was regarding ethics.
The deal ? Really? The deal will be mid level in 2 years and the Browns are still 20 mill under the cap. Where did the previous road get us before? Crippled us from what....no Superbowl . Burrows, Jackson and who ever the Steelers get will be getting more...thus screwing them.
As in his bout with the Texans...ask JJ Watt and D .Hopkins about it. No one but you and Texans fans had a problem with Watson not playing there. It was waaay more than just who they hired.....
I'm saying Baker is good if everything around him is damn near great. -not elite. Other than that...the league is showing you what they think. He is only 18 mill and no one is trying to beat down his door. His mouth and antics with inferior play is costing him. As in his injuries...he got injured behind a top line....what makes you think he won't again? He decided to play and he decided no one else could make that decision. Well......that's on him
I don't think my point was necessarily about ethics maybe you could cut and paste the line that led you to believe that, maybe I was wrong maybe I was misunderstood. No s*** his price is only 18 million bucks. If I'm shopping at a yard sale at an item cost x amount of dollars I know that after the sale is over it's going to be on the curb and I can get it for free. Neither his mouth nor his antics have concern me.
As far as only me and Texans fans don't even count me. I'd rather he was back at Texas f****** with them. But when he pulls the same s*** here then he's f****** with the Browns and Texans fans won't care. Then again maybe he won't. Maybe he's changed his ways. Maybe he loves it here. Maybe being a good soldier is first on his list of things to do. Maybe just maybe he decided to come to Cleveland because he thought we were ready to win. And not the money. Wait a minute who am I kidding...?
WSS
I don't think my point was necessarily about ethics maybe you could cut and paste the line that led you to believe that, maybe I was wrong maybe I was misunderstood. No s*** his price is only 18 million bucks. If I'm shopping at a yard sale at an item cost x amount of dollars I know that after the sale is over it's going to be on the curb and I can get it for free. Neither his mouth nor his antics have concern me.
As far as only me and Texans fans don't even count me. I'd rather he was back at Texas f****** with them. But when he pulls the same s*** here then he's f****** with the Browns and Texans fans won't care. Then again maybe he won't. Maybe he's changed his ways. Maybe he loves it here. Maybe being a good soldier is first on his list of things to do. Maybe just maybe he decided to come to Cleveland because he thought we were ready to win. And not the money. Wait a minute who am I kidding...?
WSS
I'm still pissed he got THAT kind of money and hasn't produced a Sausage (SB win)
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I don't think my point was necessarily about ethics maybe you could cut and paste the line that led you to believe that, maybe I was wrong maybe I was misunderstood. No s*** his price is only 18 million bucks. If I'm shopping at a yard sale at an item cost x amount of dollars I know that after the sale is over it's going to be on the curb and I can get it for free. Neither his mouth nor his antics have concern me.
As far as only me and Texans fans don't even count me. I'd rather he was back at Texas f****** with them. But when he pulls the same s*** here then he's f****** with the Browns and Texans fans won't care. Then again maybe he won't. Maybe he's changed his ways. Maybe he loves it here. Maybe being a good soldier is first on his list of things to do. Maybe just maybe he decided to come to Cleveland because he thought we were ready to win. And not the money. Wait a minute who am I kidding...?
WSS
I'm still pissed he got THAT kind of money and hasn't produced a Sausage (SB win)
I'm still pissed he got THAT kind of money and hasn't produced a Sausage (SB win)
I got the Trivisonno reference haha
WSS
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I got the Trivisonno reference haha
WSS
I loved that guy...
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Actually your point was regarding ethics.
The deal ? Really? The deal will be mid level in 2 years and the Browns are still 20 mill under the cap. Where did the previous road get us before? Crippled us from what....no Superbowl . Burrows, Jackson and who ever the Steelers get will be getting more...thus screwing them.
As in his bout with the Texans...ask JJ Watt and D .Hopkins about it. No one but you and Texans fans had a problem with Watson not playing there. It was waaay more than just who they hired.....
I'm saying Baker is good if everything around him is damn near great. -not elite. Other than that...the league is showing you what they think. He is only 18 mill and no one is trying to beat down his door. His mouth and antics with inferior play is costing him. As in his injuries...he got injured behind a top line....what makes you think he won't again? He decided to play and he decided no one else could make that decision. Well......that's on him
I don't think my point was necessarily about ethics maybe you could cut and paste the line that led you to believe that, maybe I was wrong maybe I was misunderstood. No s*** his price is only 18 million bucks. If I'm shopping at a yard sale at an item cost x amount of dollars I know that after the sale is over it's going to be on the curb and I can get it for free. Neither his mouth nor his antics have concern me.
As far as only me and Texans fans don't even count me. I'd rather he was back at Texas f****** with them. But when he pulls the same s*** here then he's f****** with the Browns and Texans fans won't care. Then again maybe he won't. Maybe he's changed his ways. Maybe he loves it here. Maybe being a good soldier is first on his list of things to do. Maybe just maybe he decided to come to Cleveland because he thought we were ready to win. And not the money. Wait a minute who am I kidding...?
WSS
I don't think my point was necessarily about ethics maybe you could cut and paste the line that led you to believe that, maybe I was wrong maybe I was misunderstood. No s*** his price is only 18 million bucks. If I'm shopping at a yard sale at an item cost x amount of dollars I know that after the sale is over it's going to be on the curb and I can get it for free. Neither his mouth nor his antics have concern me.
As far as only me and Texans fans don't even count me. I'd rather he was back at Texas f****** with them. But when he pulls the same s*** here then he's f****** with the Browns and Texans fans won't care. Then again maybe he won't. Maybe he's changed his ways. Maybe he loves it here. Maybe being a good soldier is first on his list of things to do. Maybe just maybe he decided to come to Cleveland because he thought we were ready to win. And not the money. Wait a minute who am I kidding...?
WSS
I believed it was your first reply...but ok
If you want whatever in that yard sale and afraid someone else is going to get it...you grab it-immediately-u don't wait. It's a Jackie Robinson rookie card and all the neighbors found out at the same time....then what happens?
His mouth or antics don't concern you but you're not an owner.....so it obviously concerning teams.
Does it really natter why someone comes here as along as they produce? Idgaf abou tthe reasons....I'm not a friend or family member of the player. Just produce. Seems as if you're getting upset of what "could" happen....ask yourself this....did the Browns have the best roster of all the reported teams after Watson? If the answer is yes....then that's it. Have we won or even been to a Superbowl yet?
I think you're ignoring the present day NFL conditions which the last 2 Superbowl winners proved to be. Our FO see it and acting on it. Bravo for the Browns for one of the very first times being a tad ahead of the curve
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