Schefter: Watson to Browns
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Well, once again, the idiots in the front office has screwed the Browns and Browns fans. The Watson acquisition is ludicrous. Sold out the BROWNS for the next 4+ years. $230 mil. for Watson, who may not even start this season due to NFL's possible sanctions....what??? hASSlam and "dingle"Berry have to be certifiably insane! Now, the F.O. jettison's Tretter and Landry with no compensation what-so-ever. Pro bowlers who were vital to the Browns and we get nothing for them? And, why release Tretter...he was just given a new contract and was essential to the O-line. This exceeds pure stupidity. Landry was a victim of salary cap restrictions...but to just release him???,,, not even try to trade him... Gotta think hASSlams wife must be a good masseuse(OK, my bad)
Well, once again, the idiots in the front office has screwed the Browns and Browns fans. The Watson acquisition is ludicrous. Sold out the BROWNS for the next 4+ years. $230 mil. for Watson, who may not even start this season due to NFL's possible sanctions....what??? hASSlam and "dingle"Berry have to be certifiably insane! Now, the F.O. jettison's Tretter and Landry with no compensation what-so-ever. Pro bowlers who were vital to the Browns and we get nothing for them? And, why release Tretter...he was just given a new contract and was essential to the O-line. This exceeds pure stupidity. Landry was a victim of salary cap restrictions...but to just release him???,,, not even try to trade him... Gotta think hASSlams wife must be a good masseuse(OK, my bad)
1) Watson has made the Pro Bowl and led the league in passing yards on a crappy team- Baker hasn't. Ia has pointed out the next round of QB contracts in a couple years (Burrow et al) are going to make Watson's look cheap by comparison.
2) The latest news in the NFL is teams are throwing draft picks around like confetti. https://www.nfl.com/news/saints-add-second-2022-first-round-draft-pick-in-multi-pick-trade-with-eagles Watson was our first round pick this year.
3) Hmmm... Landry, Tretter, and Clowney are all still unsigned by the entire league. Ring any bells? Their asking price happens to be too high- not only for the Browns but anyone else FWIW.
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Well, once again, the idiots in the front office has screwed the Browns and Browns fans. The Watson acquisition is ludicrous. Sold out the BROWNS for the next 4+ years. $230 mil. for Watson, who may not even start this season due to NFL's possible sanctions....what??? hASSlam and "dingle"Berry have to be certifiably insane! Now, the F.O. jettison's Tretter and Landry with no compensation what-so-ever. Pro bowlers who were vital to the Browns and we get nothing for them? And, why release Tretter...he was just given a new contract and was essential to the O-line. This exceeds pure stupidity. Landry was a victim of salary cap restrictions...but to just release him???,,, not even try to trade him... Gotta think hASSlams wife must be a good masseuse(OK, my bad)
"dingle"Berry have to be certifiably insane! Now, the F.O. jettison's Tretter and Landry with no compensation what-so-ever. Pro bowlers who were vital to the Browns and we get nothing for them? And, why release Tretter...he was just given a new contract and was essential to the O-line. This exceeds pure stupidity. Landry was a victim of salary cap restrictions...but to just release him???,,, not even try to trade him...
umm...it's not the same NFL anymore. It's hard to trade an aging player with a large salary. Teams don't want to take that on. That's why the players are simply released now. And Tretter...we drafted a center. This can't be a surprise. Plus he's the prez of the player's union. He's a great guy, everyone knows that, but it's still a PITA to have the union prez on the team.
I'd want Tretter, Landry and Clowny on our team. I don't see Landry coming back though. Kind of a matter of pride. He's gone because he wanted too much money so he'll probably just take less elsewhere rather than come crawling back to Berry and Co.
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"dingle"Berry have to be certifiably insane! Now, the F.O. jettison's Tretter and Landry with no compensation what-so-ever. Pro bowlers who were vital to the Browns and we get nothing for them? And, why release Tretter...he was just given a new contract and was essential to the O-line. This exceeds pure stupidity. Landry was a victim of salary cap restrictions...but to just release him???,,, not even try to trade him...
umm...it's not the same NFL anymore. It's hard to trade an aging player with a large salary. Teams don't want to take that on. That's why the players are simply released now. And Tretter...we drafted a center. This can't be a surprise. Plus he's the prez of the player's union. He's a great guy, everyone knows that, but it's still a PITA to have the union prez on the team.
I'd want Tretter, Landry and Clowny on our team. I don't see Landry coming back though. Kind of a matter of pride. He's gone because he wanted too much money so he'll probably just take less elsewhere rather than come crawling back to Berry and Co.
umm...it's not the same NFL anymore. It's hard to trade an aging player with a large salary. Teams don't want to take that on. That's why the players are simply released now. And Tretter...we drafted a center. This can't be a surprise. Plus he's the prez of the player's union. He's a great guy, everyone knows that, but it's still a PITA to have the union prez on the team.
I'd want Tretter, Landry and Clowny on our team. I don't see Landry coming back though. Kind of a matter of pride. He's gone because he wanted too much money so he'll probably just take less elsewhere rather than come crawling back to Berry and Co.
Exactamundo Orion. Landry's supposed asking price was WR top shelf $20 million a year. He's not worth that anymore. Didn't cost us anything to release him either BTW. So unless the three are willing to take significant pay cuts, they're going to be sitting by the phone waiting for a team to have an injury at their respective positions and hope that they can get something close to what they think they're worth. The Browns are more than willing to take all of them back- at the right price. Supposedly the Browns have already offered Clowney two years and $24 million, and he's not interested... YET.
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umm...it's not the same NFL anymore. It's hard to trade an aging player with a large salary. Teams don't want to take that on. That's why the players are simply released now. And Tretter...we drafted a center. This can't be a surprise. Plus he's the prez of the player's union. He's a great guy, everyone knows that, but it's still a PITA to have the union prez on the team.
I'd want Tretter, Landry and Clowny on our team. I don't see Landry coming back though. Kind of a matter of pride. He's gone because he wanted too much money so he'll probably just take less elsewhere rather than come crawling back to Berry and Co.
Exactamundo Orion. Landry's supposed asking price was WR top shelf $20 million a year. He's not worth that anymore. Didn't cost us anything to release him either BTW. So unless the three are willing to take significant pay cuts, they're going to be sitting by the phone waiting for a team to have an injury at their respective positions and hope that they can get something close to what they think they're worth. The Browns are more than willing to take all of them back- at the right price. Supposedly the Browns have already offered Clowney two years and $24 million, and he's not interested... YET.
Supposedly the Browns have already offered Clowney two years and $24 million, and he's not interested... YET.
He's a mercenary. But he's a mercenary that doesn't want to do training camp.
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He's a mercenary. But he's a mercenary that doesn't want to do training camp.
I wonder if Watson will do training camp? And OTAs? Stefanski seems like the kind of guy that lets Rich players slack off. Then they get hurt.
I guess a lot of that depends on how in shape these guys stay during the offseason.
WSS
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QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
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QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
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QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
?
WSS
For some odd reason I actually pictured this and literally laughed out loud
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QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
?
WSS
I'm genuinely curious about something Steve, and this is not meant to be snarky.
Since I've been on this board, of all the moderators or longtime guys on here, you really don't post that often on the Browns forum. You have your movie forum, the Shrine to Deep Thought that is the political forum, but you really don't post very much on the actual Browns forum. Not during 1-31, or the playoff run of 2020.
Until it appeared Baker Mayfield was going to lose his starting job, and then did lose his starting job. Now you are on here consistently. I'm just curious to why now.
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So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
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WSS
I'm genuinely curious about something Steve, and this is not meant to be snarky.
Since I've been on this board, of all the moderators or longtime guys on here, you really don't post that often on the Browns forum. You have your movie forum, the Shrine to Deep Thought that is the political forum, but you really don't post very much on the actual Browns forum. Not during 1-31, or the playoff run of 2020.
Until it appeared Baker Mayfield was going to lose his starting job, and then did lose his starting job. Now you are on here consistently. I'm just curious to why now.
I'm just curious
Perhaps I haven't been here long enough...but I haven't noticed much of a difference in his posting frequency. He always posts Pluto updates. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
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QB's don't skip training camp. Especially new ones with as much of a learning curve as Watson will have between new receivers, coaches and language.
Signal callers are there unless there's a contact dispute.
So far; unprecedented times ya know. Quarter of a billion guaranteed I might not show up until game day with a bag of donuts and a six pack.
?
WSS
Quarter of a billion guaranteed
I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
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I'm just curious
Perhaps I haven't been here long enough...but I haven't noticed much of a difference in his posting frequency. He always posts Pluto updates. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
Perhaps I haven't been here long enough...but I haven't noticed much of a difference in his posting frequency. He always posts Pluto updates. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
You could be correct, if just seems like he's been on here far more lately than I ever remembering before. Sure, he'd post Pluto links, but actually participating in daily threads? It feels like it has increased of late, not a bad thing of course, just an observation. I was curious to why Baker Mayfield seems to be the catalyst to Steve actually becoming a regular on the Browns forum.
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Quarter of a billion guaranteed
I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
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I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
No...but they were paying the guys on defense like they're quarterbacks......Ed Reed, Ray Lewis....
Besides...it's a new NFL. Tampa and the Rams showed this. Get the elite QB, Go all in on the pieces around him....that's your best bet.
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I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
They seem like idiots to me.
No argument there. And you can lump their son in law in there with them. Just look at what they did to the uniforms a few years back...
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I remember right after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Flacco got his big contract. (big for the day) I saw this Ravens team picture circulation where every player was cropped out of the picture except Flacco...sitting all alone in the bleachers. And so now, here we are.
It's hard for me to believe that DePodesta came up with the idea of getting Watson for this price. And I'm not 100% sure that Berry actually has a side to him that is this flamboyant. Now, Jimmy, that's different. It certainly does seem up his alley. But THIS time I actually mean it in kind of a good way. I mean, he could've screwed up the team payroll for the next decade (with league-wide ripple affects)...butt it solidifies just how much he and Dee want to win. I truly believe that they want the team to be a winner right through to their marrow. I'm reminded of a story where a Browns player's wife ran into Dee at a store one day and they got to talking. And the player's wife said that Dee was brought to tears as she was explaining how much they want the team to win...and that they haven't been able to do it and that they feel so horribly bad about it.
Jimmy & Dee have admitted that they didn't know what they were doing when they started out. And they still may not. But I'll give them this much; They realize just how important it is to have a top flight QB in today's NFL. (reality check, it's always been all about the QB) And they realized that Baker just was not that QB. And...there just so happened to be this top tier QB that was available. A VERY rare event. A top tier QB, who is young and not at the tail end of his career is available. He's gonna go to some team. THIS is what their football team needs to be successful. So, knowing that they were going to get beat up doing what they did....they did it anyway. It's like making a deal with the devil. And if they didn't, someone else would've.
We can hate this reality. We can hate them for not having the standards that some of us may want them to have. But it certainly underscores just how much they want the team to be a winner...so they can stop crying in their pillow at night. --- Very rare for me to shine a positive ray on JImmuh --
I'd say your correlation is a little bit off. The reasons and their successful years have done so as a team. Not decimating the team so they can pay more for one guy. Matter of fact when those big time Ravens quarterbacks hit the open market what happens?
I don't know Jimmy and Dee personally. They seem like idiots to me. As always I admit if this brings a Super Bowl titles to the city of Cleveland I guess they've made the right decision. If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
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If not there man a laughing stock. While pissing away the great deal of the team's respect. We shall see.
WSS
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when I think of the Jets, I don't think 'Man, those are some decent dudes'.
No, I think of a terribly run franchise that cannot identify, develop and secure long term talent along with winning games.
This team only started getting "respect" after a couple near .500 years and a playoff win. Because that's what people gravitate to - winning.
If Watson comes in and helps hold open a window of consistently deep playoffs pushes, AFC title games and, God willing, a SuperBowl spot, then it was worth the risk.
Exactly.....because WTF has the previous methods gotten us?
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