Draft Thoughts
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Possibilities at Pick 44:
WR - George Pickens 6'3" UGA - Awesome prospect with great hands. A lot of mocks project him to Cleveland but I could see Detroit getting him at #32 or #34. GB could land him at #22 or #28. KC is another team that may be interested at #29 or #30. Jax could be very interested at pick #33 or the NYJ at #35. All depends on the run at this very deep position as well as the anticipated run on edge rushers (which could push Pickens back to Cleveland). My favorite alternative if he's gone (and the Browns are still going WR at #44) is David Bell 6'2" Purdue. I'll never forget the positive impact and spark that Jarvis Landry brought to our offense despite not being blessed with great speed. When I've seen him play, he reminded of Jarvis in that way. Very productive, runs great routes inside or out, and has great hands. Had 93 catches for 1286 yards and 6 TD in just 11 games in 2021.
DT - Travis Jones 6'4" 326 lbs Connecticut - Huge need; but no longer a sleeper in this draft when he's recently been mentioned in round 1 to upper round 2 consideration. His biggest competition at this spot is going to be the early run on those at another position (Edge Rushers). If available, he would really upgrade our biggest weakness on defense by far. Possible alternative is DT Logan Hall, 6'6" 278 lbs Houston. Lindy's Pro Football Draft Guide lists him as the Pass Rush Prototype with the versatility to rush inside or outside. The Millennial author said "he's twitched up with good hand quickness and a variety of natural moves." I haven't seen a lot of him but I like reading about his flexibility to play outside or inside in the pass rush. That said, nobody researches players better than Tia and if he doesn't think Hall is anything special - I may have to rethink the alternative (if Jones is already gone) or open it up to you guys for a better alternative.
C - Dohnovan West 6'3" 300 lbs Arizona State - This kid can't even spell his 1st name right - I'm already in love! I watched some film of him to see if the Draft Guide info made sense; and it did. Unfortunately, I didn't think the rest of his line was very good at all in the 2 games I watched. A lot of his efforts were lost or wasted in the reality of "you're only as good as your last guy." Lindy's Draft Guide hails him as the Run Blocking Prototype stating "Capable of uprooting Nose Tackles and sending linebackers flying. West has pop in his hands that few Centers bring to the table in the running game." My Take? Putting a prospect like this between our well respected OGs could take our inside running game to another level. Another thing to think about here is the Ratbirds are always big and strong at DT (and a have a sick feeling Jordan Davis will land right on their draft slot so we better have a better plan than Nick Harris). Possible alternative to a Center will be OT Darian Kinnard, 6'5" OT Kentucky. He's not a finished product by any means; but I've seen enough film to see why he earned 1st Team All America honors as a senior. His resume includes 39 starts. 1 thing I hated to see because he'll get flagged for not being on the LOS because of it - is how far back he keeps his right foot in his stance. When you see him on film that's an advertisement that he doesn't have quick feet and/or ideal lateral movement in pass pro (so he's had a tendency to lose his block on the right edge). Good news? He's lost a lot of weight since the season which should help the issue I spoke of as well as an OL Coach like Callahan. He's a GREAT run blocker though but there's room for a little more consistency. Kentucky had an awesome Offensive Line IMO. I think this guy can become an excellent RT as he gets the reps behind him.
DE - Cameron Thomas 6'5" 270 lbs San Diego State - You may be thinking there's better guys than this off the edge but this is pick #44 overall and he's a pretty damn good bargain at that spot. In his final season in 2021, this junior had 20.5 tackles for a loss, including 10.5 sacks. I think the drop-off after him has me thinking we would have to go edge rush at pick 78 or 99. Possible alternative is ILB Nakobe Dean 5'11" 225 lbs UGA. Ideally, I'd like him at least a couple inches taller; but this kid can do anything IMO. If you watch enough of this guy - your football wood factor is going to go from balsa to sequoia. We'd have a great young pair of LBers with him and JOK in a defense that will need this type of pairing. Having said that, the best way to keep blockers off them is to get way stronger at DT than we are at this time. It's gonna be interesting to see what the plan is.
Excellent insights Flugs ?
I keep seeing reads of the Center in Donovan West, falling into the same rounds where the Nebraska center Cam Jurgens get's drafted.. Some think it's a rather large gap of 2nd to 4th round. ? Berry (at presser) seems to like the thoughts of Harris & Pocic at the position...I don't ?.. I'd be running the card in for Cam Jurgens sitting there with two picks in the 4th...
those be some lower base ham hocks... boyz
Excellent insights Flugs ?
I keep seeing reads of the Center in Donovan West, falling into the same rounds where the Nebraska center Cam Jurgens get's drafted.. Some think it's a rather large gap of 2nd to 4th round. ? Berry (at presser) seems to like the thoughts of Harris & Pocic at the position...I don't ?.. I'd be running the card in for Cam Jurgens sitting there with two picks in the 4th...
those be some lower base ham hocks... boyz
Thanks Gumbs! I totally agree with you about feeling like we're not set at all at Center right now. I'm reading and seeing a lot of good things written about Jurgens. I heard he's moving up on a lot of draft charts into upper round 2 territory. I only saw 1 brief video segment on him; and he was very good at pulling around end from his Center spot. He also appeared to get out on screens and lead block extremely well. Even better, he made the key blocks when doing so. I didn't see a lot of footage where he had an opponent head-up on him to get an impression of how well he'd do against any stout 350 lb defenders he'll see on Sundays though. He's got the physique, quicks, and ability to get there first, which forecasts an effective blocker IMO. And looking at those oak tree circumferences on his thighs for his compact 6'1" frame - I get the feeling he can get up under a lot of defenders to nullify their base (and win the leverage wars).
Here's what Lindy's Draft Guide says about him as their Prototype for Initial Quickness: "Centers with truly elite quickness aren't all that common, but Jurgens has it. He has special burst out of his stance, and it allows him to hit angles that most blockers can't attempt." And then they went on to leave him out of their top 6 Centers. They did put him in the next tier of "Worth Watching."
I think it was you that previously mentioned Luke Fortner from Kentucky as another good prospect. If we don't go Center as early as round 2, he'd be really good pick for us a little later. In 2021, he earned All SEC First Team honors on a very good line that competed in a great conference.
By the end of the draft, it would be nice if we landed a WR, Center, Tackle, DT, Edge Rusher, LB and DB. Anything else we can look to sign Undrafted Free Agents. We shall see...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Excellent insights Flugs ?
I keep seeing reads of the Center in Donovan West, falling into the same rounds where the Nebraska center Cam Jurgens get's drafted.. Some think it's a rather large gap of 2nd to 4th round. ? Berry (at presser) seems to like the thoughts of Harris & Pocic at the position...I don't ?.. I'd be running the card in for Cam Jurgens sitting there with two picks in the 4th...
those be some lower base ham hocks... boyz
I thought Jurgens moved really well during the combine. Seems like a great fit for zone blocking scheme
I thought Jurgens moved really well during the combine. Seems like a great fit for zone blocking scheme
Well said! He'll probably be the apex of someone's ZBS.
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Excellent insights Flugs ?
I keep seeing reads of the Center in Donovan West, falling into the same rounds where the Nebraska center Cam Jurgens get's drafted.. Some think it's a rather large gap of 2nd to 4th round. ? Berry (at presser) seems to like the thoughts of Harris & Pocic at the position...I don't ?.. I'd be running the card in for Cam Jurgens sitting there with two picks in the 4th...
those be some lower base ham hocks... boyz
Thanks Gumbs! I totally agree with you about feeling like we're not set at all at Center right now. I'm reading and seeing a lot of good things written about Jurgens. I heard he's moving up on a lot of draft charts into upper round 2 territory. I only saw 1 brief video segment on him; and he was very good at pulling around end from his Center spot. He also appeared to get out on screens and lead block extremely well. Even better, he made the key blocks when doing so. I didn't see a lot of footage where he had an opponent head-up on him to get an impression of how well he'd do against any stout 350 lb defenders he'll see on Sundays though. He's got the physique, quicks, and ability to get there first, which forecasts an effective blocker IMO. And looking at those oak tree circumferences on his thighs for his compact 6'1" frame - I get the feeling he can get up under a lot of defenders to nullify their base (and win the leverage wars).
Here's what Lindy's Draft Guide says about him as their Prototype for Initial Quickness: "Centers with truly elite quickness aren't all that common, but Jurgens has it. He has special burst out of his stance, and it allows him to hit angles that most blockers can't attempt." And then they went on to leave him out of their top 6 Centers. They did put him in the next tier of "Worth Watching."
I think it was you that previously mentioned Luke Fortner from Kentucky as another good prospect. If we don't go Center as early as round 2, he'd be really good pick for us a little later. In 2021, he earned All SEC First Team honors on a very good line that competed in a great conference.
By the end of the draft, it would be nice if we landed a WR, Center, Tackle, DT, Edge Rusher, LB and DB. Anything else we can look to sign Undrafted Free Agents. We shall see...
By the end of the draft, it would be nice if we landed a WR, Center, Tackle, DT, Edge Rusher, LB and DB. Anything else we can look to sign Undrafted Free Agents. We shall see...
Enjoyed the read Tom. Give me a call on Sat or Sunday after the draft. We'll compare your notes to the final outcome. I have to admit I have not paid much attention to the draft after we traded away all those #1's. It kind of put a damper on our yearly 7 round BB draft thingy as well. However I do plan to print out a couple of the 7 round pre-draft prognostications this week so I can follow along and see what we have left to pick over.
PS-and I don't believe anything that anyone like Berry says this late before the draft. Too many are sending out smoke and mirrors right now.
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Excellent insights Flugs ?
I keep seeing reads of the Center in Donovan West, falling into the same rounds where the Nebraska center Cam Jurgens get's drafted.. Some think it's a rather large gap of 2nd to 4th round. ? Berry (at presser) seems to like the thoughts of Harris & Pocic at the position...I don't ?.. I'd be running the card in for Cam Jurgens sitting there with two picks in the 4th...
those be some lower base ham hocks... boyz
Thanks Gumbs! I totally agree with you about feeling like we're not set at all at Center right now. I'm reading and seeing a lot of good things written about Jurgens. I heard he's moving up on a lot of draft charts into upper round 2 territory. I only saw 1 brief video segment on him; and he was very good at pulling around end from his Center spot. He also appeared to get out on screens and lead block extremely well. Even better, he made the key blocks when doing so. I didn't see a lot of footage where he had an opponent head-up on him to get an impression of how well he'd do against any stout 350 lb defenders he'll see on Sundays though. He's got the physique, quicks, and ability to get there first, which forecasts an effective blocker IMO. And looking at those oak tree circumferences on his thighs for his compact 6'1" frame - I get the feeling he can get up under a lot of defenders to nullify their base (and win the leverage wars).
Here's what Lindy's Draft Guide says about him as their Prototype for Initial Quickness: "Centers with truly elite quickness aren't all that common, but Jurgens has it. He has special burst out of his stance, and it allows him to hit angles that most blockers can't attempt." And then they went on to leave him out of their top 6 Centers. They did put him in the next tier of "Worth Watching."
I think it was you that previously mentioned Luke Fortner from Kentucky as another good prospect. If we don't go Center as early as round 2, he'd be really good pick for us a little later. In 2021, he earned All SEC First Team honors on a very good line that competed in a great conference.
By the end of the draft, it would be nice if we landed a WR, Center, Tackle, DT, Edge Rusher, LB and DB. Anything else we can look to sign Undrafted Free Agents. We shall see...
......Here's what Lindy's Draft Guide says about him as their Prototype for Initial Quickness: "Centers with truly elite quickness aren't all that common, but Jurgens has it. He has special burst out of his stance, and it allows him to hit angles that most blockers can't attempt." And then they went on to leave him out of their top 6 Centers. They did put him in the next tier of "Worth Watching."
I think it was you that previously mentioned Luke Fortner from Kentucky as another good prospect. If we don't go Center as early as round 2, he'd be really good pick for us a little later. In 2021, he earned All SEC First Team honors on a very good line that competed in a great conference.
By the end of the draft, it would be nice if we landed a WR, Center, Tackle, DT, Edge Rusher, LB and DB. Anything else we can look to sign Undrafted Free Agents. We shall see...
Pretty much a standard wish list for the BROWNS.
And no quarterback as part of their development plan ? No first round pick on a WR ? How many people thought this after the Watson deal ? More than a few I'd guess.
I wonder how much the term character comes up during the three draft days.
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......Here's what Lindy's Draft Guide says about him as their Prototype for Initial Quickness: "Centers with truly elite quickness aren't all that common, but Jurgens has it. He has special burst out of his stance, and it allows him to hit angles that most blockers can't attempt." And then they went on to leave him out of their top 6 Centers. They did put him in the next tier of "Worth Watching."
I think it was you that previously mentioned Luke Fortner from Kentucky as another good prospect. If we don't go Center as early as round 2, he'd be really good pick for us a little later. In 2021, he earned All SEC First Team honors on a very good line that competed in a great conference.
By the end of the draft, it would be nice if we landed a WR, Center, Tackle, DT, Edge Rusher, LB and DB. Anything else we can look to sign Undrafted Free Agents. We shall see...
Pretty much a standard wish list for the BROWNS.
And no quarterback as part of their development plan ? No first round pick on a WR ? How many people thought this after the Watson deal ? More than a few I'd guess.
I wonder how much the term character comes up during the three draft days.
Pretty much a standard wish list for the BROWNS.
And no quarterback as part of their development plan ? No first round pick on a WR ? How many people thought this after the Watson deal ? More than a few I'd guess.
I wonder how much the term character comes up during the three draft days.
One thing is for certain MJ. It's gonna be interesting. Stay tuned? You bet!
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......Here's what Lindy's Draft Guide says about him as their Prototype for Initial Quickness: "Centers with truly elite quickness aren't all that common, but Jurgens has it. He has special burst out of his stance, and it allows him to hit angles that most blockers can't attempt." And then they went on to leave him out of their top 6 Centers. They did put him in the next tier of "Worth Watching."
I think it was you that previously mentioned Luke Fortner from Kentucky as another good prospect. If we don't go Center as early as round 2, he'd be really good pick for us a little later. In 2021, he earned All SEC First Team honors on a very good line that competed in a great conference.
By the end of the draft, it would be nice if we landed a WR, Center, Tackle, DT, Edge Rusher, LB and DB. Anything else we can look to sign Undrafted Free Agents. We shall see...
Pretty much a standard wish list for the BROWNS.
And no quarterback as part of their development plan ? No first round pick on a WR ? How many people thought this after the Watson deal ? More than a few I'd guess.
I wonder how much the term character comes up during the three draft days.
Pretty much a standard wish list for the BROWNS.
And no quarterback as part of their development plan ? No first round pick on a WR ? How many people thought this after the Watson deal ? More than a few I'd guess.
I wonder how much the term character comes up during the three draft days.
We just traded for a QB we plan on being here for 5 or more years, so the rush for developmental QB isn't a big priority. Plus, most teams don't draft that guy in round 1. I'd say there is a chance we draft a QB this year or next.
I actually think Dobbs might be a guy we extend for 2-3 years after this season. Brissett not so much IMO, but what do i know.
I think both are here on a 1 year try-out to see which we elect to keep for 3 more.
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Pretty much a standard wish list for the BROWNS.
And no quarterback as part of their development plan ? No first round pick on a WR ? How many people thought this after the Watson deal ? More than a few I'd guess.
I wonder how much the term character comes up during the three draft days.
We just traded for a QB we plan on being here for 5 or more years, so the rush for developmental QB isn't a big priority. Plus, most teams don't draft that guy in round 1. I'd say there is a chance we draft a QB this year or next.
I actually think Dobbs might be a guy we extend for 2-3 years after this season. Brissett not so much IMO, but what do i know.
I think both are here on a 1 year try-out to see which we elect to keep for 3 more.
We just traded for a QB we plan on being here for 5 or more years, so the rush for developmental QB isn't a big priority. Plus, most teams don't draft that guy in round 1. I'd say there is a chance we draft a QB this year or next.
We had 3 coaches/coaching at the shrine bowl this season. Berry had a zoom meeting with the Brown QB EJ Perry...
my thinking was Berry might be looking for a UDFA QB camp arm with size & some upside..some team may draft Perry late?..heck, It might be us
Could we chance putting one of Dobbs or Brissett on the PS without getting plucked by another team? All these jealous owners & GM's seem to have a ? pointed at AB...
Man! It's like Thursday will never get here ! ?
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Just speaking for myself, I would always keep 3 QBs on the active roster. The position is important enough. I also feel that there is much to be gained by those guys by being on the sidelines, at the coaches hip.
I don't know what the plan is. I have read we may have interest in Perry. Maybe the plan is to draft or sign him as a UDFA and let Dobbs and Brissett battle it out for the back-up position and cutting the loser. Again, just me but I think I would rather have Dobbs though the preseason will tell that tale. In the end, with a question mark over the Watson status we will probably keep both of Brissett and Dobbs on the active and any QB brought in will be the practice guy.
Maybe not for this year, but I liked the Patriots strategy of drafting a QB fairly high, then using them for trade bait 2-3 years later. At worst you gain value in the way of a pick. At best you really do get a QB you can go with.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Just speaking for myself, I would always keep 3 QBs on the active roster. The position is important enough. I also feel that there is much to be gained by those guys by being on the sidelines, at the coaches hip.
I don't know what the plan is. I have read we may have interest in Perry. Maybe the plan is to draft or sign him as a UDFA and let Dobbs and Brissett battle it out for the back-up position and cutting the loser. Again, just me but I think I would rather have Dobbs though the preseason will tell that tale. In the end, with a question mark over the Watson status we will probably keep both of Brissett and Dobbs on the active and any QB brought in will be the practice guy.
Maybe not for this year, but I liked the Patriots strategy of drafting a QB fairly high, then using them for trade bait 2-3 years later. At worst you gain value in the way of a pick. At best you really do get a QB you can go with.
Just speaking for myself, I would always keep 3 QBs on the active roster. The position is important enough. I also feel that there is much to be gained by those guys by being on the sidelines, at the coaches hip.
I don't know what the plan is. I have read we may have interest in Perry. Maybe the plan is to draft or sign him as a UDFA and let Dobbs and Brissett battle it out for the back-up position and cutting the loser. Again, just me but I think I would rather have Dobbs though the preseason will tell that tale. In the end, with a question mark over the Watson status we will probably keep both of Brissett and Dobbs on the active and any QB brought in will be the practice guy.
Maybe not for this year, but I liked the Patriots strategy of drafting a QB fairly high, then using them for trade bait 2-3 years later. At worst you gain value in the way of a pick. At best you really do get a QB you can go with.
I would think strategy would be to get a day 4 QB in the 5-7 rounds. They can showcase enough talent in preseason to make someone give up a 2nd round pick (compensation the pats got for Jimmy G) I don’t see enough playing time with a developmental QB in the next four years to show off enough to get better picks. In a couple years let’s revisit this
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Malik Willis, QB - Liberty.
He doesn't run like Vick, Lamar or even Jake Locker. His mobility reminds me of a little quicker version of Donovan Mcnabb. But for all the rage of him being a "mobile" QB, he appears (by my 1 whole game watched) to be just that. He's a QB first who looks perfectly content not leaving the pocket until he has to/ is forced to.
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On tonights NFL Nation Mock Draft on ESPN, where a local media member drafts for every respective team, Chris Olave was taken by the Houston Texans with the #13 overall pick, formerly owned by the Browns.
Ohio State WR Garrett Wilson was already off the clock, taken by the NY Jets at #10 overall.
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Here's Doug Lesmerises' of the Cleveland Plain Dealer's final mock.
Rd 2: #44 WR George Pickens, Georgia
Rd 3: #78 DE Josh Paschel, Kentucky
Rd 3: #99 CB Coby Bryant, Cincinnati
Rd 4: #118 TE Charlie Kolar, Iowa
Rd 5: #150 K Cade York, LSU
Rd 7: #223 S Bubba Bolden, Miami
Rd 7: #246 DT Haskell Garrett, Ohio State -
Was Bill Belichick's dog drafting every other pick in that guy's mock? If Coby Bryant is available at the end of the 3rd color me shocked.. same with most of those guys
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Was Bill Belichick's dog drafting every other pick in that guy's mock? If Coby Bryant is available at the end of the 3rd color me shocked.. same with most of those guys
Was Bill Belichick's dog drafting every other pick in that guy's mock? If Coby Bryant is available at the end of the 3rd color me shocked.. same with most of those guys
The thing with mocks is they are easy to mock so to speak. Some site could mock the 1st round exactly how it plays out on Thursday and it would seem unbelievable and flawed.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Was Bill Belichick's dog drafting every other pick in that guy's mock? If Coby Bryant is available at the end of the 3rd color me shocked.. same with most of those guys
The thing with mocks is they are easy to mock so to speak. Some site could mock the 1st round exactly how it plays out on Thursday and it would seem unbelievable and flawed.
The thing with mocks is they are easy to mock so to speak. Some site could mock the 1st round exactly how it plays out on Thursday and it would seem unbelievable and flawed.
Yeah, I never understood why some people get so bent over mock drafts... THERE'S NO WAY THAT TEAM WOULD TAKE THAT PLAYER IN THAT SPOT! Then we watch the draft, and crazy shit happens all over the place. A guy every draft publication says is a 6th or 7th rounder gets taken halfway through the 2nd... (Chaun Thompson ring a bell for anyone?)
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I still don't want to believe the Chump pick.
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Was Bill Belichick's dog drafting every other pick in that guy's mock? If Coby Bryant is available at the end of the 3rd color me shocked.. same with most of those guys
The thing with mocks is they are easy to mock so to speak. Some site could mock the 1st round exactly how it plays out on Thursday and it would seem unbelievable and flawed.
The thing with mocks is they are easy to mock so to speak. Some site could mock the 1st round exactly how it plays out on Thursday and it would seem unbelievable and flawed.
That's why I've never really got overly serious about mock drafts even though they can be fun to do.
It's going to be for real in about 33 hours from now.... OMG it doesn't seem like it really is happening after the long wait.
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The thing with mocks is they are easy to mock so to speak. Some site could mock the 1st round exactly how it plays out on Thursday and it would seem unbelievable and flawed.
That's why I've never really got overly serious about mock drafts even though they can be fun to do.
It's going to be for real in about 33 hours from now.... OMG it doesn't seem like it really is happening after the long wait.
That's why I've never really got overly serious about mock drafts even though they can be fun to do.
It's going to be for real in about 33 hours from now.... OMG it doesn't seem like it really is happening after the long wait.
I don't know what it i.. But I'm not one bit excited for this draft.... I guess it really does not matter what the Clowns do anymore after selling out...
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Any word on that kid from Nebraska? Center, Cam Jurgens.
Opinions vary... mostly mine vs. talking heads. I see nothing remarkable, Zuerlein sees a quickness that I do not, so ZBS fit?. All of us do seem to agree that anchoring vs a bull rush could be problematic. And I think we have that area covered.
I actually like Taven. Good resign IMO. Flashed a few times last season, which for a part timer is fine... But still need another part timer and that could be Butler. Also sets up competition for whomever develops to stick beyond 2022.
RB that just caught my eye is Central Michigan's Lew Nichols. Not the fastest (by a fair margin), but shifty and pretty strong on a compact frame.
Opinions vary... mostly mine vs. talking heads. I see nothing remarkable, Zuerlein sees a quickness that I do not, so ZBS fit?. All of us do seem to agree that anchoring vs a bull rush could be problematic. And I think we have that area covered.
Got around to watching Jurgens. Not taking this kid before the 5th, and even then? 6th-7th.
He's a decently big, fast, farm boy looking for a street fight and little else. Has no technique, no polish, no pacing on his snaps, questionable play strength and loses his base far too often when engaged. His game against OU was just... I watched the cutup twice because the first I was shaking my head half the snaps. Had to be sure of what I was looking at.
However he does have fast eyes when making choices in protection and quickly finds his work with how lightning his feet are. He just plays really wound tight though. Almost like he's so jacked up to just hit someone that he forgets it's football. There's far more to this game than just slugging the other lineman in front of you.
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I'll miss the 1st round (band rehearsal) but I'll be tuned in on Friday night.
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