Browns fans are a confusing bunch.
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Man I wonder what the reaction is going to be when the 230 million dollar man fails to make the browns any more of a contender in the span of four years.
I won't be able to pinpoint this thread at that time, probably, but looking back over Watson's career...I think you had all better keep your expectations low.
I couldn't hear you over your Baker Mayfield jersey.... ?
I couldn't hear you over your Baker Mayfield jersey.... ?
I think your hatred is clouding your vision. Whether it's Watson or any other quarterback that they decided was going to be an upgrade and therefore the last missing puzzle piece, Carr, Garoppolo, Ryan, Rodgers or Wilson, it's not going to look good if the preseason fervor doesn't match the results.
Just that in the case of your buddy DW, the expense was unprecedented.
WSS
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@calfoxwc said:
"and can scramble for good yards like Lamar Jackson maybe"
weird - the forum froze up on me there....... couldn't edit.
just seems racist to me. All they had to do was draft the terrific qb from Liberty College if they
wanted a good qb that can really run for yards and make defenses pay.
Or any other qb that can also run who isn't a dirtbag.
so tired of the woke craze in sports and everything else.
All they had to do was draft the terrific qb from Liberty College if they
Terrific? TBD, cal... No one thinks he's ready now and competition level is a serious question in my mind.
We know what DW can do on a pro field.
Making Watson the highest paid QB was an all in approach by the FO.
I certainly hope they’re right, but if Berry is wrong he just set us back a few years and needs to be shitcanned.
Rinse wash and repeat much?
Or we can accept the error and let Berry learn in his job and maybe grow in it.
On balance I think Berry has done well. DW? Controversial, iffy, move, but we are never going anywhere without a franchise QB. And as another replied above, who else was out there that we could tab?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
All they had to do was draft the terrific qb from Liberty College if they
Terrific? TBD, cal... No one thinks he's ready now and competition level is a serious question in my mind.
We know what DW can do on a pro field.
Making Watson the highest paid QB was an all in approach by the FO.
I certainly hope they’re right, but if Berry is wrong he just set us back a few years and needs to be shitcanned.
Rinse wash and repeat much?
Or we can accept the error and let Berry learn in his job and maybe grow in it.
On balance I think Berry has done well. DW? Controversial, iffy, move, but we are never going anywhere without a franchise QB. And as another replied above, who else was out there that we could tab?
who else was out there that we could tab?
Well the Broncos found a way to send Lock to Seattle while getting a franchise QB in return. Were we willing to pay the price the Broncos paid?
"The Broncos received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight end Noah Fant, quarterback Drew Lock, defensive end Shelby Harris, 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."
https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/broncos-trade-for-nine-time-pro-bowl-qb-russell-wilson
At least theirs comes with a Superbowl win, a jumped GL pass away from a second one and no known baggage that might preclude all or part of a season.
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All they had to do was draft the terrific qb from Liberty College if they
Terrific? TBD, cal... No one thinks he's ready now and competition level is a serious question in my mind.
We know what DW can do on a pro field.
Making Watson the highest paid QB was an all in approach by the FO.
I certainly hope they’re right, but if Berry is wrong he just set us back a few years and needs to be shitcanned.
Rinse wash and repeat much?
Or we can accept the error and let Berry learn in his job and maybe grow in it.
On balance I think Berry has done well. DW? Controversial, iffy, move, but we are never going anywhere without a franchise QB. And as another replied above, who else was out there that we could tab?
Rinse wash and repeat much?
Or we can accept the error and let Berry learn in his job and maybe grow in it.
On balance I think Berry has done well. DW? Controversial, iffy, move, but we are never going anywhere without a franchise QB. And as another replied above, who else was out there that we could tab?
Watson has the tools to be a franchise QB, but to call him a franchise QB after looking at his resume is a bit of a stretch.
Did I mention the fact that if this experiment doesn’t get us to a SB we’re screwed for the foreseeable future?
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I couldn't hear you over your Baker Mayfield jersey.... ?
I think your hatred is clouding your vision. Whether it's Watson or any other quarterback that they decided was going to be an upgrade and therefore the last missing puzzle piece, Carr, Garoppolo, Ryan, Rodgers or Wilson, it's not going to look good if the preseason fervor doesn't match the results.
Just that in the case of your buddy DW, the expense was unprecedented.
WSS
I think your hatred is clouding your vision. Whether it's Watson or any other quarterback that they decided was going to be an upgrade and therefore the last missing puzzle piece, Carr, Garoppolo, Ryan, Rodgers or Wilson, it's not going to look good if the preseason fervor doesn't match the results.
Just that in the case of your buddy DW, the expense was unprecedented.
WSS
"My buddy" DW?
I guess in that head of yours, anyone who didn't ride on Baker's nuts must love Watson. It's a ridiculous thought-process, but then again, you are the person behind the cesspool that is this board's political forum, so...
If Baker was the QB you think he is, the Browns wouldn't have had to do this. A move that I have said numerous times is one that I understand why people are upset about, either ethically or logically.
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who else was out there that we could tab?
Well the Broncos found a way to send Lock to Seattle while getting a franchise QB in return. Were we willing to pay the price the Broncos paid?
"The Broncos received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight end Noah Fant, quarterback Drew Lock, defensive end Shelby Harris, 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."
https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/broncos-trade-for-nine-time-pro-bowl-qb-russell-wilson
At least theirs comes with a Superbowl win, a jumped GL pass away from a second one and no known baggage that might preclude all or part of a season.
Well the Broncos found a way to send Lock to Seattle while getting a franchise QB in return. Were we willing to pay the price the Broncos paid?
"The Broncos received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight end Noah Fant, quarterback Drew Lock, defensive end Shelby Harris, 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."
https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/broncos-trade-for-nine-time-pro-bowl-qb-russell-wilson
At least theirs comes with a Superbowl win, a jumped GL pass away from a second one and no known baggage that might preclude all or part of a season.
& Houston didn't want players (fortunately). For us to land the older (by seven years) Russell Wilson...
"The
BroncosBrowns received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight endNoah Fant, David Njoku, quarterbackDrew Lock, Baker Mayfield, defensive endShelby Harris, Chase Winovich 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That's the going rate for a franchise QB...
Texans receive: Three first-round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), one third-round pick (2023), one fourth-round pick (2024)
Browns receive: Deshaun Watson, 2024 fifth-round pick. Basically with the draft day trade with Houston we got a couple 4th round picks back.
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Well the Broncos found a way to send Lock to Seattle while getting a franchise QB in return. Were we willing to pay the price the Broncos paid?
"The Broncos received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight end Noah Fant, quarterback Drew Lock, defensive end Shelby Harris, 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."
https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/broncos-trade-for-nine-time-pro-bowl-qb-russell-wilson
At least theirs comes with a Superbowl win, a jumped GL pass away from a second one and no known baggage that might preclude all or part of a season.
& Houston didn't want players (fortunately). For us to land the older (by seven years) Russell Wilson...
"The
BroncosBrowns received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight endNoah Fant, David Njoku, quarterbackDrew Lock, Baker Mayfield, defensive endShelby Harris, Chase Winovich 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That's the going rate for a franchise QB...
Texans receive: Three first-round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), one third-round pick (2023), one fourth-round pick (2024)
Browns receive: Deshaun Watson, 2024 fifth-round pick. Basically with the draft day trade with Houston we got a couple 4th round picks back.
& Houston didn't want players (fortunately). For us to land the older (by seven years) Russell Wilson...
"The
BroncosBrowns received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight endNoah Fant, David Njoku, quarterbackDrew Lock, Baker Mayfield, defensive endShelby Harris, Chase Winovich 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That's the going rate for a franchise QB...
Texans receive: Three first-round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), one third-round pick (2023), one fourth-round pick (2024)
Browns receive: Deshaun Watson, 2024 fifth-round pick. Basically with the draft day trade with Houston we got a couple 4th round picks back.
it's the going rate because Jimmy Haslam set the price with a ridiculous offer that no team in the league except the Cleveland Browns would have made. If I find out anybody playing in any of the bars I do is making twice or three times as much money as me I'm going to demand the same deal.
"My buddy" DW?
I guess in that head of yours, anyone who didn't ride on Baker's nuts must love Watson. It's a ridiculous thought-process, but then again, you are the person behind the cesspool that is this board's political forum, so...
If Baker was the QB you think he is, the Browns wouldn't have had to do this. A move that I have said numerous times is one that I understand why people are upset about, either ethically or logically.
Your buddy because that's the guy we're talking about. Mayfield would be my buddy. Ethically? Morally? Ethically it sucks but they didn't really have a choice if they were really looking to dump him for somebody else and we're worried about getting left holding the bag with no quarterback at all. (Like that Aesop fable about the dog with the bone that saw his reflection in the Stream.) Even if it were for a player I liked a lot more than I like Watson, including Russell Ryan Carr... Maybe not Rogers. Morally? That only matters to me if Watson got rough with these chicks. And kicking that can down the road with a wink and a nod will never come out one way or the other. The me-too movement can blow me.
On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.
WSS
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& Houston didn't want players (fortunately). For us to land the older (by seven years) Russell Wilson...
"The
BroncosBrowns received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight endNoah Fant, David Njoku, quarterbackDrew Lock, Baker Mayfield, defensive endShelby Harris, Chase Winovich 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
That's the going rate for a franchise QB...
Texans receive: Three first-round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), one third-round pick (2023), one fourth-round pick (2024)
Browns receive: Deshaun Watson, 2024 fifth-round pick. Basically with the draft day trade with Houston we got a couple 4th round picks back.
it's the going rate because Jimmy Haslam set the price with a ridiculous offer that no team in the league except the Cleveland Browns would have made. If I find out anybody playing in any of the bars I do is making twice or three times as much money as me I'm going to demand the same deal.
"My buddy" DW?
I guess in that head of yours, anyone who didn't ride on Baker's nuts must love Watson. It's a ridiculous thought-process, but then again, you are the person behind the cesspool that is this board's political forum, so...
If Baker was the QB you think he is, the Browns wouldn't have had to do this. A move that I have said numerous times is one that I understand why people are upset about, either ethically or logically.
Your buddy because that's the guy we're talking about. Mayfield would be my buddy. Ethically? Morally? Ethically it sucks but they didn't really have a choice if they were really looking to dump him for somebody else and we're worried about getting left holding the bag with no quarterback at all. (Like that Aesop fable about the dog with the bone that saw his reflection in the Stream.) Even if it were for a player I liked a lot more than I like Watson, including Russell Ryan Carr... Maybe not Rogers. Morally? That only matters to me if Watson got rough with these chicks. And kicking that can down the road with a wink and a nod will never come out one way or the other. The me-too movement can blow me.
On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.
WSS
Your buddy because that's the guy we're talking about. Mayfield would be my buddy. Ethically? Morally? Ethically it sucks but they didn't really have a choice if they were really looking to dump him for somebody else and we're worried about getting left holding the bag with no quarterback at all. (Like that Aesop fable about the dog with the bone that saw his reflection in the Stream.) Even if it were for a player I liked a lot more than I like Watson, including Russell Ryan Carr... Maybe not Rogers. Morally? That only matters to me if Watson got rough with these chicks. And kicking that can down the road with a wink and a nod will never come out one way or the other. The me-too movement can blow me.
On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.
WSS
Your rambling, barely coherent response is made even more perfect by the fact that calfox and nickers liked it.
That should tell you something about your general thought-process, but it won't.
Go sell your crazy somewhere else.
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Your buddy because that's the guy we're talking about. Mayfield would be my buddy. Ethically? Morally? Ethically it sucks but they didn't really have a choice if they were really looking to dump him for somebody else and we're worried about getting left holding the bag with no quarterback at all. (Like that Aesop fable about the dog with the bone that saw his reflection in the Stream.) Even if it were for a player I liked a lot more than I like Watson, including Russell Ryan Carr... Maybe not Rogers. Morally? That only matters to me if Watson got rough with these chicks. And kicking that can down the road with a wink and a nod will never come out one way or the other. The me-too movement can blow me.
On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.
WSS
Your rambling, barely coherent response is made even more perfect by the fact that calfox and nickers liked it.
That should tell you something about your general thought-process, but it won't.
Go sell your crazy somewhere else.
Your rambling, barely coherent response is made even more perfect by the fact that calfox and nickers liked it.
That should tell you something about your general thought-process, but it won't.
Go sell your crazy somewhere else.
Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.
I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.
"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "
Love,
WSS
ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?
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Your rambling, barely coherent response is made even more perfect by the fact that calfox and nickers liked it.
That should tell you something about your general thought-process, but it won't.
Go sell your crazy somewhere else.
Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.
I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.
"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "
Love,
WSS
ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?
Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.
I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.
"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "
Love,
WSS
ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?
You are arguing with a Hilljack Douche Nozzle who thinks he's oh so smarter than everyone else... He's just another wanna be internet tough guy with no life... His mothers basement probably smells like dog shit , too!
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Your rambling, barely coherent response is made even more perfect by the fact that calfox and nickers liked it.
That should tell you something about your general thought-process, but it won't.
Go sell your crazy somewhere else.
Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.
I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.
"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "
Love,
WSS
ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?
Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.
I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.
"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "
Love,
WSS
ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?
Oh look here, I've touched a nerve with Emily Mayfield.
I'm sorry it didn't work out with your husband and the Browns.
Good luck to both of you in your future endeavors!
With the most sincerest regards,
Someone who actually cares about more than one player on the Browns roster.
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Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.
I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.
"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "
Love,
WSS
ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?
Oh look here, I've touched a nerve with Emily Mayfield.
I'm sorry it didn't work out with your husband and the Browns.
Good luck to both of you in your future endeavors!
With the most sincerest regards,
Someone who actually cares about more than one player on the Browns roster.
Oh look here, I've touched a nerve with Emily Mayfield.
I'm sorry it didn't work out with your husband and the Browns.
Good luck to both of you in your future endeavors!
With the most sincerest regards,
Someone who actually cares about more than one player on the Browns roster.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But you didn't answer my question, do you prefer go fuck yourself or blow me?
WSS
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Zombo said:
I'd go with "Blow me".
Watson is a Christian from a Red State who likes to grab women by the pussy ... Can't figure out why these guys don't love him?
Z
He's a darker hue than they prefer?
They generally stop at "orange" on the color spectrum.
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Zombo said:
I'd go with "Blow me".
Watson is a Christian from a Red State who likes to grab women by the pussy ... Can't figure out why these guys don't love him?
Z
Conversely some of these bums would be looking for rope at a tree because of those distinctions.
I'm guessing you guys would be singing a different tune if the Squealers had made that deal.
WSS
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Zombo said:
Rope and a tree? Wow!
Then came the sixties. JFK, MLK, goodbye to judging people by their skin color ... that was awesome, 55 years ago. So glad we progressed.
If he was a Steeler my reaction would be: FUCK. We're FUCKED!
Z
Hey bud it was your buddy douche oven the decided to play the race card. I didn't even play the rapist card except for the fact that Ben Roethlisberger is probably having a good laugh now.
Again like I said a thousand f****** times if he didn't get rough with those chicks I can live with it.
But you guys get so pissed off if I say something like I'm going to wait until he brings us a winning season before I put the son of a b**** in the Hall of Fame. And that's how I'd feel if we'd gotten Russell Wilson, or Matt Ryan Who has never been, to my knowledge, a team cancer.
WSS
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Zombo said:
Well, he didn't get rough with those chicks and he was never a team cancer, so ....
Z
He sat out because he didn't like the Houston Texans. And of course they will keep that testimony quiet until the stink blows over next year or so. When it's been forgotten.
And whether or not Baker Mayfield plays another down in the NFL I'm still waiting for this guy to bring a Super Bowl to Cleveland. If he doesn't we wasted the resources
WSS
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Steve on ANY Browns topic not regarding Baker
Steve when Baker Mayfield is mentioned
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