Browns fans are a confusing bunch.

[Canton Dawg]

@tour2ma said:

Rinse wash and repeat much? 

Or we can accept the error and let Berry learn in his job and maybe grow in it.

On balance I think Berry has done well. DW? Controversial, iffy, move, but we are never going anywhere without a franchise QB. And as another replied above, who else was out there that we could tab?

Watson has the tools to be a franchise QB, but to call him a franchise QB after looking at his resume is a bit of a stretch.

Did I mention the fact that if this experiment doesn’t get us to a SB we’re screwed for the foreseeable future?

[Dutch Oven]

@westside-steve said:

I think your hatred is clouding your vision. Whether it's Watson or any other quarterback that they decided was going to be an upgrade and therefore the last missing puzzle piece, Carr, Garoppolo, Ryan, Rodgers or Wilson, it's not going to look good if the preseason fervor doesn't match the results. 

Just that in the case of your buddy DW, the expense was unprecedented.

WSS

"My buddy" DW?

I guess in that head of yours, anyone who didn't ride on Baker's nuts must love Watson. It's a ridiculous thought-process, but then again, you are the person behind the cesspool that is this board's political forum, so... 

If Baker was the QB you think he is, the Browns wouldn't have had to do this. A move that I have said numerous times is one that I understand why people are upset about, either ethically or logically. 

[hoorta]

@texasag1969 said:

Well the Broncos found a way to send Lock to Seattle while getting a franchise QB in return. Were we willing to pay the price the Broncos paid?

"The Broncos received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight end Noah Fant, quarterback Drew Lock, defensive end Shelby Harris, 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."

https://www.denverbroncos.com/news/broncos-trade-for-nine-time-pro-bowl-qb-russell-wilson

At least theirs comes with a Superbowl win, a jumped GL pass away from a second one and no known baggage that might preclude all or part of a season.

& Houston didn't want players (fortunately). For us to land the older (by seven years) Russell Wilson... 

"The Broncos Browns received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight end Noah Fant, David Njoku, quarterback Drew Lock, Baker Mayfield, defensive end Shelby Harris, Chase Winovich 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

That's the going rate for a franchise QB...  

Texans receive: Three first-round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), one third-round pick (2023), one fourth-round pick (2024)

Browns receive: Deshaun Watson, 2024 fifth-round pick. Basically with the draft day trade with Houston we got a couple 4th round picks back.  

[Westside Steve]

@hoorta said:

& Houston didn't want players (fortunately). For us to land the older (by seven years) Russell Wilson... 

"The Broncos Browns received the Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a fourth-round pick in exchange for tight end Noah Fant, David Njoku, quarterback Drew Lock, Baker Mayfield, defensive end Shelby Harris, Chase Winovich 2022 and 2023 first-round picks, 2022 and 2023 second-round picks and a 2022 fifth-round pick."

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

That's the going rate for a franchise QB...  

Texans receive: Three first-round picks (2022, 2023, 2024), one third-round pick (2023), one fourth-round pick (2024)

Browns receive: Deshaun Watson, 2024 fifth-round pick. Basically with the draft day trade with Houston we got a couple 4th round picks back.  

 it's the going rate because Jimmy Haslam set the price with a ridiculous offer that no team in the league except the Cleveland Browns would have made. If I find out anybody playing in any of the bars I do is making twice or three times as much money as me I'm going to demand the same deal.

@dutch-oven said:

"My buddy" DW?

I guess in that head of yours, anyone who didn't ride on Baker's nuts must love Watson. It's a ridiculous thought-process, but then again, you are the person behind the cesspool that is this board's political forum, so... 

If Baker was the QB you think he is, the Browns wouldn't have had to do this. A move that I have said numerous times is one that I understand why people are upset about, either ethically or logically. 

Your buddy because that's the guy we're talking about. Mayfield would be my buddy. Ethically? Morally? Ethically it sucks but they didn't really have a choice if they were really looking to dump him for somebody else and we're worried about getting left holding the bag with no quarterback at all. (Like that Aesop fable about the dog with the bone that saw his reflection in the Stream.) Even if it were for a player I liked a lot more than I like Watson, including Russell Ryan Carr... Maybe not Rogers. Morally? That only matters to me if Watson got rough with these chicks. And kicking that can down the road with a wink and a nod will never come out one way or the other. The me-too movement can blow me. 

On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.

WSS 

[Dutch Oven]

@westside-steve said:

Your buddy because that's the guy we're talking about. Mayfield would be my buddy. Ethically? Morally? Ethically it sucks but they didn't really have a choice if they were really looking to dump him for somebody else and we're worried about getting left holding the bag with no quarterback at all. (Like that Aesop fable about the dog with the bone that saw his reflection in the Stream.) Even if it were for a player I liked a lot more than I like Watson, including Russell Ryan Carr... Maybe not Rogers. Morally? That only matters to me if Watson got rough with these chicks. And kicking that can down the road with a wink and a nod will never come out one way or the other. The me-too movement can blow me. 

On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.

WSS 

Your rambling, barely coherent response is made even more perfect by the fact that calfox and nickers liked it. 

That should tell you something about your general thought-process, but it won't. 

Go sell your crazy somewhere else. 

[gumby73]

I can feel it.

Coming

In the air tonight..

Hold on..

Hold on ! ? 

?

[Westside Steve]

@dutch-oven said:

Your rambling, barely coherent response is made even more perfect by the fact that calfox and nickers liked it. 

That should tell you something about your general thought-process, but it won't. 

Go sell your crazy somewhere else. 

Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.

I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.

"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "

Love,

WSS

ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?

[nickers]

@westside-steve said:

Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.

I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.

"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "

Love,

WSS

ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?

You are arguing with a Hilljack Douche Nozzle who thinks he's oh so smarter than everyone else... He's just another wanna be internet tough guy with no life... His mothers basement probably smells like dog shit , too!

[Dutch Oven]

@westside-steve said:

Me oh my! Again I've offended you and for that I am truly sorry. First I appreciate your calling my remarks perfect even though I don't understand you being on the rag about Cal or Nick.

I will try to be more succinctly. Let me paraphrase and you can choose your favorite.

"Blow me" or "Go fuck yourself. "

Love,

WSS

ps if you had trouble comprehending I'm sorry, maybe try adult learning class in remedial English?

Oh look here, I've touched a nerve with Emily Mayfield.

I'm sorry it didn't work out with your husband and the Browns.

Good luck to both of you in your future endeavors! 

With the most sincerest regards,

Someone who actually cares about more than one player on the Browns roster.  
 

[Westside Steve]

@dutch-oven said:

Oh look here, I've touched a nerve with Emily Mayfield.

I'm sorry it didn't work out with your husband and the Browns.

Good luck to both of you in your future endeavors! 

With the most sincerest regards,

Someone who actually cares about more than one player on the Browns roster.  
 

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But you didn't answer my question, do you prefer go fuck yourself or blow me?

WSS

[Dutch Oven]

Zombo said:

I'd go with "Blow me".

Watson is a Christian from a Red State who likes to grab women by the pussy ... Can't figure out why these guys don't love him?

Z

He's a darker hue than they prefer? 

They generally stop at "orange" on the color spectrum. 

[D Bone]

If this forum doesn't make you laugh, then you need to check your pulse - or at the very least, your funny bone. 

Thank you Sweet Baby Jeebus for allowing this place to keep on going. 

[Westside Steve]

Zombo said:

I'd go with "Blow me".

Watson is a Christian from a Red State who likes to grab women by the pussy ... Can't figure out why these guys don't love him?

Z

Conversely some of these bums would be looking for rope at a tree because of those distinctions.

I'm guessing you guys would be singing a different tune if the Squealers had made that deal.

WSS

[Westside Steve]

Zombo said:

Rope and a tree? Wow! 

Then came the sixties. JFK, MLK, goodbye to judging people by their skin color ... that was awesome, 55 years ago. So glad we progressed.

If he was a Steeler my reaction would be: FUCK. We're FUCKED!

Z

Hey bud it was your buddy douche oven the decided to play the race card. I didn't even play the rapist card except for the fact that Ben Roethlisberger is probably having a good laugh now.

Again like I said a thousand f****** times if he didn't get rough with those chicks I can live with it.

But you guys get so pissed off if I say something like I'm going to wait until he brings us a winning season before I put the son of a b**** in the Hall of Fame. And that's how I'd feel if we'd gotten Russell Wilson, or Matt Ryan Who has never been, to my knowledge, a team cancer.

WSS

[Westside Steve]

Zombo said:

Well, he didn't get rough with those chicks and he was never a team cancer, so ....

Z

He sat out because he didn't like the Houston Texans. And of course they will keep that testimony quiet until the stink blows over next year or so. When it's been forgotten.

And whether or not Baker Mayfield plays another down in the NFL I'm still waiting for this guy to bring a Super Bowl to Cleveland. If he doesn't we wasted the resources

WSS

[Dutch Oven]

Steve on ANY Browns topic not regarding Baker

Steve when Baker Mayfield is mentioned

[Westside Steve]

Zombo said:

Well, he was cleared of all criminal charges, which would include any sort of violence or force. So that leaves asking for a handjob or a blowjob and he said/ she said ... and certainly we have all been there.

He requested a trade from the Texans,  who were deconstructing their team and paying him on his rookie contract. Other players to recently request a trade include Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and JJ Watt ... But they are white and no one gives a shit who is giving them a handjob.

Z

1 That's true. And yes we have all been there, no doubt. And that's why I'm not basing my objection on that oh, have you read anything I've said on the subject?

But just for the record Ben Roethlisberger wasn't charged with anything.

As for the holdout. I haven't read any stories that said it was anything about a deconstruction but that he was pissed off about some but he didn't like being hired. And since with his ridiculous guaranteed contract probably won't have much motivation to hang in there wouldn't have any of the Browns brass does something he doesn't like.

As far as caring about somebody getting a handjob there were reams of bellyaching about Bob Kraft. And if I'm not mistaken Roethlisberger is white. And he still got suspended.

Tom Brady was a free agent. Aaron Rodgers never sat out except for injury. Afaik. J.j. watt asked for a release and was granted. By the way I didn't want Aaron Rodgers either and he's white. I know that's your first concern these days.

And at the end of the day the price was insane. Nothing but a Super Bowl victory probably multiple Super Bowl victories would be anywhere near worth the crossed. For anybody regardless of race. Or sexual imprudence

WSS

[Nero]

@d-bone said:

If this forum doesn't make you laugh, then you need to check your pulse - or at the very least, your funny bone. 

Thank you Sweet Baby Jeebus for allowing this place to keep on going. 

This forum or this thread? Because I read half of it and I'm wondering if it's worth it reading the rest. 

[hoorta]

@westside-steve said:

1)  it's the going rate because Jimmy Haslam set the price with a ridiculous offer that no team in the league except the Cleveland Browns would have made. If I find out anybody playing in any of the bars I do is making twice or three times as much money as me I'm going to demand the same deal.

2) On the other hand, I think Mayfield had a rough season and has the ability to have a great season when he's put in the right situation and the team is in the right situation, same as anybody else in the league. Actually same as your buddy y Watson.

WSS 

1) That's not what I've heard Steve.... Other teams WERE willing to cough up three first round picks for Watson. Yeah, the $230 million changed Deshaun's mind. A record for guaranteed money, but it sure isn't out of line what guys like Mahomes and Rodgers are getting on a per year basis.  If you want to say the other two have won Super Bowls, and Watson hasn't (to date) fair enough

2) Can Baker bounce back with a change of scenery?  Remains to be seen. Plenty of opinion similar to our one year wonder Derek Anderson teams have Baker "figured out".  I wish him well. However, early returns suggest Berry was correct in his estimation Mayfield is a "close, no cigar" QB. Same as the Rams with Goff.  IF other teams thought Baker could be the difference between what they have at QB, and a trip to the playoffs, there would have been no shortage of teams willing to pick up his salary in exchange for the sack of seeds draft picks the Browns would get. Besides coming off that injury, having the arrogance to keep insisting on starting when it was obvious his play was toilet flushable probably turned a lot of potential suitors off.    

I think I've been pretty clear in the morality department... Watson may well be a great talent on the field, but his off field antics leave a lot to be desired. He'll never be on the integrity level of Joe Thomas and a few dozen other former Browns players. He might get the Browns to the Super Bowl, but it will always ring a little bit hollow.  My POV.   

[calfoxwc]

Zombo said:

Well, he was cleared of all criminal charges, which would include any sort of violence or force. So that leaves asking for a handjob or a blowjob and he said/ she said ... and certainly we have all been there.

He requested a trade from the Texans,  who were deconstructing their team and paying him on his rookie contract. Other players to recently request a trade include Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and JJ Watt ... But they are white and no one gives a shit who is giving them a handjob.

Wait....did Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and JJ Watt have 22 women file suit against them?

no. Has nothing to do with race or requesting a trade.

"sleazy" trashed himself out of the Texans' plans.

To me - hopefully you want the face of the frachise to inspire kids and fans.

   That isn't "sleasy". The browns stepped in it, deep - and it stinks worse than a muddy pig farm. If some fans are fine with it - ok, but it's their choices. Not a lot of others - and dividing the fan base over the controversy stinks terrible. It says very bad things about the browns fo.

Except - lack of evidence/ word against word.... doesn't get a conviction - but he had a very expensive room at a fancy place, and paid UNLICENSED women to fly to him?