Baker to Carolina
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Well there is where you are wrong. Obviously he is not as good as he thinks he is and no one wants to pay him to come prove differently.
See below...
I suppose I could give you 19 million reasons.
Tia, it can't be just Baker's guaranteed money... You've posted plenty of screen shots with the circles and arrows. If you're seeing Mayfield's deficiencies, I will bet the ranch every defensive coordinator in the NFL has seen all of it- and more. $18 million is bargain basement for a mid level starting QB this year... So teams must think he's not even worth that. Sprinkle in coming off an injury and a lousy 2021 season. With the draft come and gone, I have the feeling teams are going to wait until the Browns are forced to flat out release him... Or we get lucky (and another team gets real unlucky) with a starting QB getting hurt in OTAs or mini camp.
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Tia, it can't be just Baker's guaranteed money... You've posted plenty of screen shots with the circles and arrows. If you're seeing Mayfield's deficiencies, I will bet the ranch every defensive coordinator in the NFL has seen all of it- and more. $18 million is bargain basement for a mid level starting QB this year... So teams must think he's not even worth that. Sprinkle in coming off an injury and a lousy 2021 season. With the draft come and gone, I have the feeling teams are going to wait until the Browns are forced to flat out release him... Or we get lucky (and another team gets real unlucky) with a starting QB getting hurt in OTAs or mini camp.
Exactly. Baker's contract is guaranteed, so I'm assuming if we cut him today the cap hit would be the same if we cut him in September? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. So at this point, we have nothing to lose by holding onto to him. If Seattle wants us to eat $18 million and they only pick up $1 million, then F that. Like you said, we should hold onto Baker through pre-season and I say even through the beginning of the regular season (not with the team of course). Then hope someone's starting QB blows out an ACL. But yeah, this is not a good situation - it would have been ideal to dump him now, but nobody wants to coach or play with a moody, immature man-child.
Seattle's dumb if they think Drew Lock is going to keep them competitive - he couldn't beat out Teddy Twatwater for the starting job in Denver.
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As for Baker... Could be a draft Day, trade piece, but feels like we are rapidly approaching the time to simply hold him for the early-season starter injury(ies) desperation teams. If he looks good in preseason, maybe some interest rises. Of course by then, half this Board will be a fan again.
does baker lose out on any money if he doesnt show up for mandatory mini camp ? also if he is on the roster do you really think he would play a snap in the pre season ?
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..... Mayfield as a player would have suitors there's no doubt about that.
Well there is where you are wrong. Obviously he is not as good as he thinks he is and no one wants to pay him to come prove differently.
Well there is where you are wrong. Obviously he is not as good as he thinks he is and no one wants to pay him to come prove differently.
You are talking about Baker here?
Just checking...
Hard to imagine two more disperate routes to the QB dust bin.
Only common thread, I see... under 6' tall.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well there is where you are wrong. Obviously he is not as good as he thinks he is and no one wants to pay him to come prove differently.
You are talking about Baker here?
Just checking...
Hard to imagine two more disperate routes to the QB dust bin.
Only common thread, I see... under 6' tall.
You are talking about Baker here?
Just checking...
Hard to imagine two more disperate routes to the QB dust bin.
Only common thread, I see... under 6' tall.
Yep, one at least got a shot at Vegas as Billy. He just arrived way before the team did there.?
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Yep, one at least got a shot at Vegas as Billy. He just arrived way before the team did there.?
Baker does have one thing going for him. Unlike Johnny, there's no photos of him swilling a 1.75 of Don Julio straight at 7AM.
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I haven't seen this Ringer article linked yet.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Yep, one at least got a shot at Vegas as Billy. He just arrived way before the team did there.?
Baker does have one thing going for him. Unlike Johnny, there's no photos of him swilling a 1.75 of Don Julio straight at 7AM.
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I haven't seen this Ringer article linked yet.
I haven't seen this Ringer article linked yet.
Not a regular follower, but decent article there.... thanks.
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Not that this writer has a stellar track record of predictions so far...
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WSS
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I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
I've said it before, but at this point, keep him on the roster all season (unless someone offers to trade for him because their starter went down) and collect the comp pick when he bolts for free agency. Might as well get something for him, and if he refuses to report, you won't have to pay him.
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I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
is he going to be suspended this year ? i don't know but before the draft without any new signings vegas went from +2000 to +1400 to go to the super bowl so maybe they know something we do not
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I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
is he going to be suspended this year ? i don't know but before the draft without any new signings vegas went from +2000 to +1400 to go to the super bowl so maybe they know something we do not
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I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
That's certainly a dilemma. Rock / hard place. Start him for six or eight games but they can't really afford to have him look good except for trade value.
OTOH I think the league would prefer to hold off the suspension for one season because by then most of the outrage will have blown over, and the attorneys will have moved on.
WSS
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Official date of Mandatory Camp announced... Mandatory Minicamp: June 14*-16
* this is the date Baker would be mandated to come to work or be subject to fines..
Mandatory team activity for Mayfield and the Browns is in mid-June when the team holds a three-day minicamp. This is the last organized team activity before the summer break begins. Though it is mandatory for all players and punishable by fines, there is plenty of precedent of teams excusing players who do not wish to attend for contractual or trade request reasons.(injury) The Browns could certainly excuse Mayfield to give themselves more time to arrange a trade.
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Official date of Mandatory Camp announced... Mandatory Minicamp: June 14*-16
* this is the date Baker would be mandated to come to work or be subject to fines..
Mandatory team activity for Mayfield and the Browns is in mid-June when the team holds a three-day minicamp. This is the last organized team activity before the summer break begins. Though it is mandatory for all players and punishable by fines, there is plenty of precedent of teams excusing players who do not wish to attend for contractual or trade request reasons.(injury) The Browns could certainly excuse Mayfield to give themselves more time to arrange a trade.
Official date of Mandatory Camp announced... Mandatory Minicamp: June 14*-16
* this is the date Baker would be mandated to come to work or be subject to fines..
Mandatory team activity for Mayfield and the Browns is in mid-June when the team holds a three-day minicamp. This is the last organized team activity before the summer break begins. Though it is mandatory for all players and punishable by fines, there is plenty of precedent of teams excusing players who do not wish to attend for contractual or trade request reasons.(injury) The Browns could certainly excuse Mayfield to give themselves more time to arrange a trade.
He won''t show.. He's stubborn like myself.. He'll just say "Fuck you"
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Official date of Mandatory Camp announced... Mandatory Minicamp: June 14*-16
* this is the date Baker would be mandated to come to work or be subject to fines..
Mandatory team activity for Mayfield and the Browns is in mid-June when the team holds a three-day minicamp. This is the last organized team activity before the summer break begins. Though it is mandatory for all players and punishable by fines, there is plenty of precedent of teams excusing players who do not wish to attend for contractual or trade request reasons.(injury) The Browns could certainly excuse Mayfield to give themselves more time to arrange a trade.
He won''t show.. He's stubborn like myself.. He'll just say "Fuck you"
He won''t show.. He's stubborn like myself.. He'll just say "Fuck you"
Double down on.. other... He'll be excused for trade request reason's...(can the shoulder even pass a NFL physical, to trade at this point?)
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Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
My advice? Bite your tongue take the money.
WSS
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Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
My advice? Bite your tongue take the money.
WSS
My advice? Bite your tongue take the money.
WSS
Probably a good course of action.
Another thing we are talking about a very wealthy 27 year old both on the field and (probably) millions more in his off the field deals which makes him in position to do whatever he wants to do whenever he wants to do it.
Fun isn't it to pretend if I signed a $32.6M guaranteed contract when you were just 23 year old kid what then ?
What do you think he will do ? What would you do if you were in his spot ? The small print :
Current Contract
Baker Mayfield signed a 4 year, $32,682,980 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $21,849,440 signing bonus, $32,682,980 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,170,745. In 2022, Mayfield will earn a base salary of $18,858,000, while carrying a cap hit of $18,858,000 and a dead cap value of $18,858,000.
CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $32,682,980 SIGNING BONUS$21,849,440 AVERAGE SALARY$8,170,745 GTD AT SIGN:$32,682,980 TOTAL GTD:$32,682,980 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2018 23 $480,000 $5,462,360 - $5,942,360 $32,682,980 $22,329,440($22,329,440) 2019 24 $570,000 $5,462,360 $1,395,590 $7,427,950 $26,740,620 $1,996,971($24,326,411) 2020 25 $750,000 $5,462,360 $2,791,180 $9,003,540 $19,312,670 $3,615,494($27,941,905) 2021 26 $920,000 $5,462,360 $4,186,770 $10,569,130 $29,257,130 $5,106,770($33,048,675) 2022 27 $18,858,000 - - $18,858,000 $18,858,000 $18,858,000($51,906,675) 2023 28 UFA Contract Notes:- Fully Guaranteed
- Includes Offset Language
- 5th-year option available (exercised)
- Roster Bonuses due at the start of training camp
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