Baker to Carolina
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..... Mayfield as a player would have suitors there's no doubt about that.
Well there is where you are wrong. Obviously he is not as good as he thinks he is and no one wants to pay him to come prove differently.
Well there is where you are wrong. Obviously he is not as good as he thinks he is and no one wants to pay him to come prove differently.
You are talking about Baker here?
Just checking...
Hard to imagine two more disperate routes to the QB dust bin.
Only common thread, I see... under 6' tall.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well there is where you are wrong. Obviously he is not as good as he thinks he is and no one wants to pay him to come prove differently.
You are talking about Baker here?
Just checking...
Hard to imagine two more disperate routes to the QB dust bin.
Only common thread, I see... under 6' tall.
You are talking about Baker here?
Just checking...
Hard to imagine two more disperate routes to the QB dust bin.
Only common thread, I see... under 6' tall.
Yep, one at least got a shot at Vegas as Billy. He just arrived way before the team did there.?
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Yep, one at least got a shot at Vegas as Billy. He just arrived way before the team did there.?
Baker does have one thing going for him. Unlike Johnny, there's no photos of him swilling a 1.75 of Don Julio straight at 7AM.
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I haven't seen this Ringer article linked yet.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Yep, one at least got a shot at Vegas as Billy. He just arrived way before the team did there.?
Baker does have one thing going for him. Unlike Johnny, there's no photos of him swilling a 1.75 of Don Julio straight at 7AM.
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I haven't seen this Ringer article linked yet.
I haven't seen this Ringer article linked yet.
Not a regular follower, but decent article there.... thanks.
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Not that this writer has a stellar track record of predictions so far...
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WSS
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I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
I've said it before, but at this point, keep him on the roster all season (unless someone offers to trade for him because their starter went down) and collect the comp pick when he bolts for free agency. Might as well get something for him, and if he refuses to report, you won't have to pay him.
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I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
is he going to be suspended this year ? i don't know but before the draft without any new signings vegas went from +2000 to +1400 to go to the super bowl so maybe they know something we do not
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I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
is he going to be suspended this year ? i don't know but before the draft without any new signings vegas went from +2000 to +1400 to go to the super bowl so maybe they know something we do not
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I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
I wonder if now Berea is going to keep Baker for the initial games this season while Watson is suspended.. if we're going to pay him, might as well play him.
But perhaps NFL is going to "Hold" the decision on Watson, not that there's anything more to learn of course. And why? Look no further than the NFL's Categorical Imperative - had Kant placed "Suck it, Cleveland" as the highest moral precept.
That's certainly a dilemma. Rock / hard place. Start him for six or eight games but they can't really afford to have him look good except for trade value.
OTOH I think the league would prefer to hold off the suspension for one season because by then most of the outrage will have blown over, and the attorneys will have moved on.
WSS
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Official date of Mandatory Camp announced... Mandatory Minicamp: June 14*-16
* this is the date Baker would be mandated to come to work or be subject to fines..
Mandatory team activity for Mayfield and the Browns is in mid-June when the team holds a three-day minicamp. This is the last organized team activity before the summer break begins. Though it is mandatory for all players and punishable by fines, there is plenty of precedent of teams excusing players who do not wish to attend for contractual or trade request reasons.(injury) The Browns could certainly excuse Mayfield to give themselves more time to arrange a trade.
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Official date of Mandatory Camp announced... Mandatory Minicamp: June 14*-16
* this is the date Baker would be mandated to come to work or be subject to fines..
Mandatory team activity for Mayfield and the Browns is in mid-June when the team holds a three-day minicamp. This is the last organized team activity before the summer break begins. Though it is mandatory for all players and punishable by fines, there is plenty of precedent of teams excusing players who do not wish to attend for contractual or trade request reasons.(injury) The Browns could certainly excuse Mayfield to give themselves more time to arrange a trade.
Official date of Mandatory Camp announced... Mandatory Minicamp: June 14*-16
* this is the date Baker would be mandated to come to work or be subject to fines..
Mandatory team activity for Mayfield and the Browns is in mid-June when the team holds a three-day minicamp. This is the last organized team activity before the summer break begins. Though it is mandatory for all players and punishable by fines, there is plenty of precedent of teams excusing players who do not wish to attend for contractual or trade request reasons.(injury) The Browns could certainly excuse Mayfield to give themselves more time to arrange a trade.
He won''t show.. He's stubborn like myself.. He'll just say "Fuck you"
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Official date of Mandatory Camp announced... Mandatory Minicamp: June 14*-16
* this is the date Baker would be mandated to come to work or be subject to fines..
Mandatory team activity for Mayfield and the Browns is in mid-June when the team holds a three-day minicamp. This is the last organized team activity before the summer break begins. Though it is mandatory for all players and punishable by fines, there is plenty of precedent of teams excusing players who do not wish to attend for contractual or trade request reasons.(injury) The Browns could certainly excuse Mayfield to give themselves more time to arrange a trade.
He won''t show.. He's stubborn like myself.. He'll just say "Fuck you"
He won''t show.. He's stubborn like myself.. He'll just say "Fuck you"
Double down on.. other... He'll be excused for trade request reason's...(can the shoulder even pass a NFL physical, to trade at this point?)
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Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
My advice? Bite your tongue take the money.
WSS
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Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
My advice? Bite your tongue take the money.
WSS
My advice? Bite your tongue take the money.
WSS
Probably a good course of action.
Another thing we are talking about a very wealthy 27 year old both on the field and (probably) millions more in his off the field deals which makes him in position to do whatever he wants to do whenever he wants to do it.
Fun isn't it to pretend if I signed a $32.6M guaranteed contract when you were just 23 year old kid what then ?
What do you think he will do ? What would you do if you were in his spot ? The small print :
Current Contract
Baker Mayfield signed a 4 year, $32,682,980 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $21,849,440 signing bonus, $32,682,980 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,170,745. In 2022, Mayfield will earn a base salary of $18,858,000, while carrying a cap hit of $18,858,000 and a dead cap value of $18,858,000.
CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $32,682,980 SIGNING BONUS$21,849,440 AVERAGE SALARY$8,170,745 GTD AT SIGN:$32,682,980 TOTAL GTD:$32,682,980 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2018 23 $480,000 $5,462,360 - $5,942,360 $32,682,980 $22,329,440($22,329,440) 2019 24 $570,000 $5,462,360 $1,395,590 $7,427,950 $26,740,620 $1,996,971($24,326,411) 2020 25 $750,000 $5,462,360 $2,791,180 $9,003,540 $19,312,670 $3,615,494($27,941,905) 2021 26 $920,000 $5,462,360 $4,186,770 $10,569,130 $29,257,130 $5,106,770($33,048,675) 2022 27 $18,858,000 - - $18,858,000 $18,858,000 $18,858,000($51,906,675) 2023 28 UFA Contract Notes:- Fully Guaranteed
- Includes Offset Language
- 5th-year option available (exercised)
- Roster Bonuses due at the start of training camp
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Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
Because Mayfield is on his rookie deal, likely no contract implications for sitting out minicamp
One detail that hasn't been mentioned: If Mayfield reports and walks out, Browns could place him on the "reserve/left squad" list which freezes his contract for the year and prevents Baker Mayfield from playing NFL football anywhere in 2022 -- no cash goes to him, next season would be considered the 5th of his rookie deal, we repeat the same showdown next offseason
In a perfect world for the Browns, if they kept him, he'd refuse to report, the Browns would then not have to pay him, freeing up $19 mill, and he'd still become a free agent after the season ended, giving the Browns a comp pick for him leaving. I'm guessing that can't happen, though?
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My advice? Bite your tongue take the money.
WSS
Probably a good course of action.
Another thing we are talking about a very wealthy 27 year old both on the field and (probably) millions more in his off the field deals which makes him in position to do whatever he wants to do whenever he wants to do it.
Fun isn't it to pretend if I signed a $32.6M guaranteed contract when you were just 23 year old kid what then ?
What do you think he will do ? What would you do if you were in his spot ? The small print :
Current Contract
Baker Mayfield signed a 4 year, $32,682,980 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $21,849,440 signing bonus, $32,682,980 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,170,745. In 2022, Mayfield will earn a base salary of $18,858,000, while carrying a cap hit of $18,858,000 and a dead cap value of $18,858,000.
CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $32,682,980 SIGNING BONUS$21,849,440 AVERAGE SALARY$8,170,745 GTD AT SIGN:$32,682,980 TOTAL GTD:$32,682,980 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2018 23 $480,000 $5,462,360 - $5,942,360 $32,682,980 $22,329,440($22,329,440) 2019 24 $570,000 $5,462,360 $1,395,590 $7,427,950 $26,740,620 $1,996,971($24,326,411) 2020 25 $750,000 $5,462,360 $2,791,180 $9,003,540 $19,312,670 $3,615,494($27,941,905) 2021 26 $920,000 $5,462,360 $4,186,770 $10,569,130 $29,257,130 $5,106,770($33,048,675) 2022 27 $18,858,000 - - $18,858,000 $18,858,000 $18,858,000($51,906,675) 2023 28 UFA Contract Notes:- Fully Guaranteed
- Includes Offset Language
- 5th-year option available (exercised)
- Roster Bonuses due at the start of training camp
Probably a good course of action.
Another thing we are talking about a very wealthy 27 year old both on the field and (probably) millions more in his off the field deals which makes him in position to do whatever he wants to do whenever he wants to do it.
Fun isn't it to pretend if I signed a $32.6M guaranteed contract when you were just 23 year old kid what then ?
What do you think he will do ? What would you do if you were in his spot ? The small print :
Current Contract
Baker Mayfield signed a 4 year, $32,682,980 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $21,849,440 signing bonus, $32,682,980 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,170,745. In 2022, Mayfield will earn a base salary of $18,858,000, while carrying a cap hit of $18,858,000 and a dead cap value of $18,858,000.
CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $32,682,980 SIGNING BONUS$21,849,440 AVERAGE SALARY$8,170,745 GTD AT SIGN:$32,682,980 TOTAL GTD:$32,682,980 FREE AGENT:2023 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2018 23 $480,000 $5,462,360 - $5,942,360 $32,682,980 $22,329,440($22,329,440) 2019 24 $570,000 $5,462,360 $1,395,590 $7,427,950 $26,740,620 $1,996,971($24,326,411) 2020 25 $750,000 $5,462,360 $2,791,180 $9,003,540 $19,312,670 $3,615,494($27,941,905) 2021 26 $920,000 $5,462,360 $4,186,770 $10,569,130 $29,257,130 $5,106,770($33,048,675) 2022 27 $18,858,000 - - $18,858,000 $18,858,000 $18,858,000($51,906,675) 2023 28 UFA Contract Notes:- Fully Guaranteed
- Includes Offset Language
- 5th-year option available (exercised)
- Roster Bonuses due at the start of training camp
In a perfect world for the Browns, if they kept him, he'd refuse to report, the Browns would then not have to pay him, freeing up $19 mill, and he'd still become a free agent after the season ended, giving the Browns a comp pick for him leaving. I'm guessing that can't happen, though?
What he will do and what he should do are two completely different things. I know how well I had my shit together when I was 23. (Just for the record the answer is not very)
What he should do is STFU pretend he's a good soldier and willing to hold a clipboard for the future Hall of Famer Jacoby Briskett. Collect 19 million bucks.
But many of us remember the intoxicating power of the arrogance of Youth so who knows?
As for a perfect world?
Haha (besides me winning an Oscar for best original song and attending the academy awards ceremony with my new girlfriend Jennifer Aniston) Watson gets at 8 game suspension Mayfield starts and goes 8 and O while the Seacocks go 0 and 8 and Seattle eats the entire contract and coughs up some draft picks.
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WSS
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