Gun safety survey
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As did I. You don't like mine. I don't like yours.
Now what? Dick measuring contest? Dual at sunrise??
Your suggestions solve absolutely nothing.
Mine would apply toward trying to solve the problem.
Pass your kind of laws, do you really believe the gangs and cartels and inner city shooters will
comply?
The problem is mental illness - not all the decent 180 million good folks who own guns.
Your suggestions solve absolutely nothing.
Mine would apply toward trying to solve the problem.
Pass your kind of laws, do you really believe the gangs and cartels and inner city shooters will
comply?
The problem is mental illness - not all the decent 180 million good folks who own guns.
The 180 million good people should in no way object over having to prove they are still competent to own a gun.... I sure as hell don't.
Bad turds.... inner city and yes even the white ones in a Vegas hotel tower will still be pieces of shit, and that I don't argue with.
For what it's worth, to me when someone brings in "the left" or "the right" into a discussion like this, I won't spend a lot of time arguing because I already know which side of the ballz they are led by and there's nothing I can say to change their brainwashed minds.
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Your suggestions solve absolutely nothing.
Mine would apply toward trying to solve the problem.
Pass your kind of laws, do you really believe the gangs and cartels and inner city shooters will
comply?
The problem is mental illness - not all the decent 180 million good folks who own guns.
The 180 million good people should in no way object over having to prove they are still competent to own a gun.... I sure as hell don't.
Bad turds.... inner city and yes even the white ones in a Vegas hotel tower will still be pieces of shit, and that I don't argue with.
For what it's worth, to me when someone brings in "the left" or "the right" into a discussion like this, I won't spend a lot of time arguing because I already know which side of the ballz they are led by and there's nothing I can say to change their brainwashed minds.
The 180 million good people should in no way object over having to prove they are still competent to own a gun.... I sure as hell don't.
so, why not just put them in straight jackets? in prison? haha, that should stop all gun violence.
liberals see issues emotionally. and their "solutions" are self-serving and/or emotional.
The left promised the "great society" = BACKFIRED. but got them a lot of votes over all these years.
The left promisted to solve inner city crime and poverty - it's still there, worse and worse. = BACKFIRED.,
the left promised to fix healthcare - with obaMao/biden "obamaocare". = BACKFIRED.
no solutions. just self-serving fake promises. and they can use them every four years etc.
The problem is mental health. Try thinking of a real solution.
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The 180 million good people should in no way object over having to prove they are still competent to own a gun.... I sure as hell don't.
so, why not just put them in straight jackets? in prison? haha, that should stop all gun violence.
liberals see issues emotionally. and their "solutions" are self-serving and/or emotional.
The left promised the "great society" = BACKFIRED. but got them a lot of votes over all these years.
The left promisted to solve inner city crime and poverty - it's still there, worse and worse. = BACKFIRED.,
the left promised to fix healthcare - with obaMao/biden "obamaocare". = BACKFIRED.
no solutions. just self-serving fake promises. and they can use them every four years etc.
The problem is mental health. Try thinking of a real solution.
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A few things to start:
A "good guy with a gun" / security doesn't prevent shit. In both the buffalo shooting and Texas shooting there were "good guys with a gun" that didn't stop a mass shooting from happening. That's a cop out suggestion from people that don't want to give up their toys.
You aren't preventing a tyrannical government because you own a few guns. If a modern military wanted you dead you'd get taken out at night by an unmanned drone without a trace. You aren't stopping a modern military. That's fucking laughable
Some reforms
Create a national registry of guns and gun owners, just like with cars.
Increase the basic level of training needed to fire and own a gun, and increase that level as needed across different styles of guns. Again, just like cars. Stricter license to drive an 18 wheeler.
Implement a buy back program on firearms
Limit large capacity magazines
Limit the amount of ammo an individual can buy. If they want to shoot for fun, go to a gun range.
Make illegal any commercially available add on that can make a gun more deadly
Limit where and how guns can be sold
Invest in public healthcare, including mental health
More thorough background checks with longer waiting periods
A few things to start:
A "good guy with a gun" / security doesn't prevent shit. In both the buffalo shooting and Texas shooting there were "good guys with a gun" that didn't stop a mass shooting from happening. That's a cop out suggestion from people that don't want to give up their toys.
You aren't preventing a tyrannical government because you own a few guns. If a modern military wanted you dead you'd get taken out at night by an unmanned drone without a trace. You aren't stopping a modern military. That's fucking laughable
Some reforms
Create a national registry of guns and gun owners, just like with cars.
Increase the basic level of training needed to fire and own a gun, and increase that level as needed across different styles of guns. Again, just like cars. Stricter license to drive an 18 wheeler.
Implement a buy back program on firearms
Limit large capacity magazines
Limit the amount of ammo an individual can buy. If they want to shoot for fun, go to a gun range.
Make illegal any commercially available add on that can make a gun more deadly
Limit where and how guns can be sold
Invest in public healthcare, including mental health
More thorough background checks with longer waiting periods
Uvalde, Texas shooter entered school undisrupted through unlocked door, DPS official says
The Texas Department of Public Safety official also said that it's believed the door Ramos entered at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde was unlocked
https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-shooter-entered-school-undisrupted-unlocked-door
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woodypeckerhead said:
A "good guy with a gun" / security doesn't prevent shit. In both the buffalo shooting and Texas shooting there were "good guys with a gun" that didn't stop a mass shooting from happening. That's a cop out suggestion from people that don't want to give up their toys.
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Hell yes it does. I proved you wrong. Thousands a year. You just don't know, as usual. The police did not enter the school, instead, they tasered parents and told them to shove it. Because they were cowards, I guess. And people who don't want to give up their guns? it won't solve anything, but will make society powerless to prevent home invasions, assaults, and safety on vacation etc. Violent crime went UP in Australia. No guns to stop them. A gun is NOT A TOY. That shows serious ignorance on your part.
You're a moron.
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It isn't the same. "Good guys with guns" is provided as a catch all solution. As if putting a retired cop in a school solves all issues. It doesn't. I don't expect any one of my proposed actions to solve the issue, but they all take steps in the same direction.
Not to mention "good guys with guns" is just a gun Lobbyist phrase. Pushing more gun sales.
Not to mention it is a "solution" at a very shallow level. You aren't preventing or reducing access to mass shooting weapons. You're just hoping to stop them early once they've decided to start the mass shooting.
That's a sprinkler system in a building going off when there's a fire. It puts it out, but it's not stopping the initial fire.
3 there is an insane amount of guns in the country. A buy back program is just to help reduce that and get it under control. I'd propose limits on gun manufacturers as well. Mexico, the cartels, the scary Hispanics everyone here goes on about, get their guns from us
4 and 5, again, it's about steps in the right direction. Not complete resolution. This guy got his gun 8 days before the shooting (I heard). What happens if he needs to wait a month?
6, I'm not even just talking about gun shows. What about online?
And you have a very old school understanding and attitude towards mental health, which is not surprising at all based off of everything from you I've seen here. Again, we don't even have regular universal healthcare. Throw in attitudes like yours towards mental health and nothing is going to happen any time soon.
Don't allow hillbillies to run and operate a gun store. Provide stricter licenses to sell guns. Or, don't have the gun store owners knowledgeable of anything on a background check. A third party can do it and it'll come back yes or no.
We could only hope any measures are as effective as sprinkler systems which are mandated because they demonstrably save lives.
We could only hope any measures are as effective as sprinkler systems which are mandated because they demonstrably save lives.
I should say a sprinkler system that sometimes gets nervous around fire and runs. Or sometimes confuses the fire with another sprinkler. Or sometimes turns and lights it's own fire. Or..
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
We could only hope any measures are as effective as sprinkler systems which are mandated because they demonstrably save lives.
I should say a sprinkler system that sometimes gets nervous around fire and runs. Or sometimes confuses the fire with another sprinkler. Or sometimes turns and lights it's own fire. Or..
I should say a sprinkler system that sometimes gets nervous around fire and runs. Or sometimes confuses the fire with another sprinkler. Or sometimes turns and lights it's own fire. Or..
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whooreta and woodpecker don't really give a damn about kids who die.
Yes, some use guns to kill or commit suicide.
they also use illegal drugs.
which come across out border a LOT. thanks to the dems.
In kids 18 and younger, suicide attempts by self-poisoning occurred more during the school months of September through May. This pattern wasn't seen in the 19- to 21-year-old age group.Skin disorders. Cardiovascular disease. Reduced appetite. The brain dysfunction caused by these drugs can lead to serious psychiatric problems: Depression, apathy, sadness and social withdrawal and isolation. Obsessive-compulsive disorder. Suicidal thoughts and behavior. Paranoia, mania and psychosis. Anxiety, nervousness and agitation.Suicide is the second leading cause of death for people between the ages of 10 and 34. 3. More teens and young adults die from suicide than from heart disease, AIDS, birth defects, pneumonia, influenza, cancer, and lung disease combined. 4. Four out of five teens who attempt suicide give warning signs.Of all drug overdose deaths among adolescents aged 15-19 in 2015, about eight in ten (80.4%) were unintentional, 13.5% were suicide, 5.2% were of undetermined intent, and 0.9% were homicide ( Figure 2 ). A higher percentage of male (86.2%) than female (70.1%) overdose deaths in adolescents aged 15-19 were unintentional.Suicidal thoughts or actions, even in very young children, are a sign of extreme distress and should not be ignored. If you or someone you know needs immediate help, contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK (8255) or the Crisis Text Line by texting "home" to 741 741. According to the Centers for Disease Control and ...The risk of suicidality for these drugs was identified in a combined analysis of short-term (up to 4 months) placebo-controlled trials of nine antidepressant drugs, including the selective ...The two most common substance groups in all age groups were over-the-counter (OTC) painkillers such as acetaminophen, ibuprofen and aspirin, followed by antidepressants. In youth (ages 10-12) and ...Introduction. As suicide is one of the top 20 causes of death worldwide [], there has been substantial effort to understand, predict, and prevent it.Klonsky and May [] argue that research on risk for suicide has often conflated why people feel suicidal with why they act on suicidal thoughts.In a large international study of almost 85,000 individuals in 17 countries [], approximately one-third ...Jul 27, 2021A new study shows an increase in suicidality among children as young as five and investigates the shared characteristics among kids who die by suicide. Researchers hope to improve prevention efforts.Parents play a critical role in their children's lives. As their children grow to pre-teens and teens, parents worry about new risks they may experience. One such risk is the use of substances, such as alcohol, marijuana, tobacco, and other drugs. Parents can help by talking to their teen's pediatrician about screening for substance use.whooreta and woodpecker don't really give a damn about kids who die.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
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the mentally listless problem is the woodpecker's ideas.
So, woodpecker, if you really genuinely CARE about these deaths,
here are some suggestions:
1. Put God back in our schools.
2. Teach children to respect each other, respect our country and our flag.
3. STOP any and all bullying.
4. Teach kids that there are only two genders.
5. Teach kids citizenship, and how to be a friend.
6. LEGITMATELY, give teachers a chance to start a report on threats and very odd, aggressive behavior via official channels...Obamao/biden stopped this. because it was "racist".
7. Discipline - put it BACK into our schools. Right now, teachers and students are AT RISK because of obaMao/biden school policies.
8. Get back to reading, writing and arithmatic. Stop the liberal social agenda garbage.
9. Teach kids the DANGERS of illegal drugs and alcohol.
10. Teach kids CRITICAL THINKING and HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
11. Teach teachers to reach out to loner kids - kids who don't fit into the usual social cliques and activities.
12. Develop communication with students about social media - and how it can be a danger just as it can be great fun and constructive.
13. Teach kids about self-actualization, and how it is important to grow into themselves constructively and happily.
Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
1. Put God back in our schools.
I agree. All the Gods. Throw ‘em all in there. The students will believe whichever God they choose to believe, and they can learn about the other ones in the process. Reduce ignorance.
2. Teach children to respect each other, respect our country and our flag.
Absolutely. They have to find where they fit in the world and our country. I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.
3. STOP any and all bullying.
Nice idea, but maybe a little unreasonable. We want kids to face hardship from a variety of places so they can learn healthy ways to respond. We don’t want a bunch of ninny kids.
4. Teach kids that there are only two genders.
I’ll admit l don’t really understand trans, but if you advocate this hard line “only 2 genders” thing then you’re going to create some loose end trans kid with a gun. This is what we’re trying to avoid. We want the trans kids to find their place in the world too.
5. Teach kids citizenship, and how to be a friend.
Sing me the Golden Girls theme song my man.
6. LEGITMATELY, give teachers a chance to start a report on threats and very odd, aggressive behavior via official channels...Obamao/biden stopped this. because it was "racist".
They should probably finish the report too.
7. Discipline - put it BACK into our schools. Right now, teachers and students are AT RISK because of obaMao/biden school policies.
I’m not sure about this one. I don’t think we can give schools cart blanche on punishing students but then be all “let the parents decide” on other things. Some parents don’t want your hand on their kid’s ass.
8. Get back to reading, writing and arithmatic. Stop the liberal social agenda garbage.
I don’t thing they stopped reading, writing and arithmetic. As mentioned before learning another language will help with arithmetic.
9. Teach kids the DANGERS of illegal drugs and alcohol.
I know right? There’s nothing worse than your teacher handing you a bong before class.
10. Teach kids CRITICAL THINKING and HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Sing it!
11. Teach teachers to reach out to loner kids - kids who don't fit into the usual social cliques and activities.
I think l pretty well addressed that above. Teachers can help steer, but ultimately it’s their peers kids will need to fit in with.
12. Develop communication with students about social media - and how it can be a danger just as it can be great fun and constructive.
Sure.
13. Teach kids about self-actualization, and how it is important to grow into themselves constructively and happily.
If we’re tossing in a reference to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs then self actualization is the tippy top of living life, and l suppose you can “teach it” but it’s more important to build the foundation so that students have the tools to achieve it, but it’s pretty unlikely they will while still in school.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
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We could only hope any measures are as effective as sprinkler systems which are mandated because they demonstrably save lives.
I should say a sprinkler system that sometimes gets nervous around fire and runs. Or sometimes confuses the fire with another sprinkler. Or sometimes turns and lights it's own fire. Or..
I should say a sprinkler system that sometimes gets nervous around fire and runs. Or sometimes confuses the fire with another sprinkler. Or sometimes turns and lights it's own fire. Or..
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Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
1. Put God back in our schools.
I agree. All the Gods. Throw ‘em all in there. The students will believe whichever God they choose to believe, and they can learn about the other ones in the process. Reduce ignorance.
2. Teach children to respect each other, respect our country and our flag.
Absolutely. They have to find where they fit in the world and our country. I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.
3. STOP any and all bullying.
Nice idea, but maybe a little unreasonable. We want kids to face hardship from a variety of places so they can learn healthy ways to respond. We don’t want a bunch of ninny kids.
4. Teach kids that there are only two genders.
I’ll admit l don’t really understand trans, but if you advocate this hard line “only 2 genders” thing then you’re going to create some loose end trans kid with a gun. This is what we’re trying to avoid. We want the trans kids to find their place in the world too.
5. Teach kids citizenship, and how to be a friend.
Sing me the Golden Girls theme song my man.
6. LEGITMATELY, give teachers a chance to start a report on threats and very odd, aggressive behavior via official channels...Obamao/biden stopped this. because it was "racist".
They should probably finish the report too.
7. Discipline - put it BACK into our schools. Right now, teachers and students are AT RISK because of obaMao/biden school policies.
I’m not sure about this one. I don’t think we can give schools cart blanche on punishing students but then be all “let the parents decide” on other things. Some parents don’t want your hand on their kid’s ass.
8. Get back to reading, writing and arithmatic. Stop the liberal social agenda garbage.
I don’t thing they stopped reading, writing and arithmetic. As mentioned before learning another language will help with arithmetic.
9. Teach kids the DANGERS of illegal drugs and alcohol.
I know right? There’s nothing worse than your teacher handing you a bong before class.
10. Teach kids CRITICAL THINKING and HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Sing it!
11. Teach teachers to reach out to loner kids - kids who don't fit into the usual social cliques and activities.
I think l pretty well addressed that above. Teachers can help steer, but ultimately it’s their peers kids will need to fit in with.
12. Develop communication with students about social media - and how it can be a danger just as it can be great fun and constructive.
Sure.
13. Teach kids about self-actualization, and how it is important to grow into themselves constructively and happily.
If we’re tossing in a reference to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs then self actualization is the tippy top of living life, and l suppose you can “teach it” but it’s more important to build the foundation so that students have the tools to achieve it, but it’s pretty unlikely they will while still in school.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Anything but addressing the 800 pound gun in the room I guess...
Forcing kids to be social that don't want to be isn't going to do anything. Not to mention classes that cover different cultures and religions exist.
Address the means to commit mass murder. Heaven forbid people will have more restrictions around their toys
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Also, I'm seen Cals post now that hoorta quoted it
Go fuck yourself Cal. Go ride your magic donkey into the woods and duck yourself
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whooreta and woodpecker don't really give a damn about kids who die.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
Demand? why do you "care" about kids who die by gunfire by maniacs, but you have never said ONE WORD about car accidents? Cars are the number one killer of children. So shove that up YOUR rabbithole. Why not admit you haven't said much at all about all the fentanyl deaths? drug overdoses???
Logical conclusion = railing about gun crime only means your "in your face" political bigotry.
and, 8 rounds? when the standard is generally ten? just another lib talking point. You can go kiss your hero Beto's rump.
Yep, it's that time of night again.
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woodpecker said:
really stupid ass crap again
Truth is, you are also not one to talk about fentanyl deaths. drug overdoes deaths. auto crash deaths - the leading killer of children.
just rail against guns on gun crime. If you actually DID care, you would care about the other.
But, you never say it. Just politicize gun ownership like it's the ONLY way kids are dying.
You really do seem like a slutty birdbrain. and a dishonest and ignorant entry in any discussion.
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woodpecker said:
really stupid ass crap again
Truth is, you are also not one to talk about fentanyl deaths. drug overdoes deaths. auto crash deaths - the leading killer of children.
just rail against guns on gun crime. If you actually DID care, you would care about the other.
But, you never say it. Just politicize gun ownership like it's the ONLY way kids are dying.
You really do seem like a slutty birdbrain. and a dishonest and ignorant entry in any discussion.
woodpecker said:
really stupid ass crap again
Truth is, you are also not one to talk about fentanyl deaths. drug overdoes deaths. auto crash deaths - the leading killer of children.
just rail against guns on gun crime. If you actually DID care, you would care about the other.
But, you never say it. Just politicize gun ownership like it's the ONLY way kids are dying.
You really do seem like a slutty birdbrain. and a dishonest and ignorant entry in any discussion.
Deflections are pretty weak man. What about deaths by radon gas? What about spontaneous human combustion?
Both legally driving a car and legally prescribing fentanyl are things that require a license and/or registration. You seem to acknowledge the potential deadliness of both, but are against a similar license/registration for firearms?
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whooreta and woodpecker don't really give a damn about kids who die.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
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whooreta and woodpecker don't really give a damn about kids who die.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
Yes Cal that was a f*****-up thing to say. Beyond that Larry the NRA went bankrupt last year they're hardly your problem. If you want to gripe about lobbyists maybe you should turn your attention toward the pharmaceutical Lobby which is one of the largest if not the largest in the world. And then think about the forced vaccinations and who that might possibly benefit.
By the way, baby steps toward what?
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Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
1. Put God back in our schools.
I agree. All the Gods. Throw ‘em all in there. The students will believe whichever God they choose to believe, and they can learn about the other ones in the process. Reduce ignorance.
2. Teach children to respect each other, respect our country and our flag.
Absolutely. They have to find where they fit in the world and our country. I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.
3. STOP any and all bullying.
Nice idea, but maybe a little unreasonable. We want kids to face hardship from a variety of places so they can learn healthy ways to respond. We don’t want a bunch of ninny kids.
4. Teach kids that there are only two genders.
I’ll admit l don’t really understand trans, but if you advocate this hard line “only 2 genders” thing then you’re going to create some loose end trans kid with a gun. This is what we’re trying to avoid. We want the trans kids to find their place in the world too.
5. Teach kids citizenship, and how to be a friend.
Sing me the Golden Girls theme song my man.
6. LEGITMATELY, give teachers a chance to start a report on threats and very odd, aggressive behavior via official channels...Obamao/biden stopped this. because it was "racist".
They should probably finish the report too.
7. Discipline - put it BACK into our schools. Right now, teachers and students are AT RISK because of obaMao/biden school policies.
I’m not sure about this one. I don’t think we can give schools cart blanche on punishing students but then be all “let the parents decide” on other things. Some parents don’t want your hand on their kid’s ass.
8. Get back to reading, writing and arithmatic. Stop the liberal social agenda garbage.
I don’t thing they stopped reading, writing and arithmetic. As mentioned before learning another language will help with arithmetic.
9. Teach kids the DANGERS of illegal drugs and alcohol.
I know right? There’s nothing worse than your teacher handing you a bong before class.
10. Teach kids CRITICAL THINKING and HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Sing it!
11. Teach teachers to reach out to loner kids - kids who don't fit into the usual social cliques and activities.
I think l pretty well addressed that above. Teachers can help steer, but ultimately it’s their peers kids will need to fit in with.
12. Develop communication with students about social media - and how it can be a danger just as it can be great fun and constructive.
Sure.
13. Teach kids about self-actualization, and how it is important to grow into themselves constructively and happily.
If we’re tossing in a reference to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs then self actualization is the tippy top of living life, and l suppose you can “teach it” but it’s more important to build the foundation so that students have the tools to achieve it, but it’s pretty unlikely they will while still in school.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
You make good points for focusing on the kids. Teach them values, not CRT or gender pronouns.
Promoting the family structure has to part of it.
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Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Anything but addressing the 800 pound gun in the room I guess...
Forcing kids to be social that don't want to be isn't going to do anything. Not to mention classes that cover different cultures and religions exist.
Address the means to commit mass murder. Heaven forbid people will have more restrictions around their toys
Anything but addressing the 800 pound gun in the room I guess...
Forcing kids to be social that don't want to be isn't going to do anything. Not to mention classes that cover different cultures and religions exist.
Address the means to commit mass murder. Heaven forbid people will have more restrictions around their toys
What is the point youre actually trying to make here? I personally have already said repeatedly that I don't give a shit if they limit guns or ban new sales altogether. By "don't give a fuck" I mean I'll support it if that's what they do. Ibb says he will. Even your apparent nemesis, ol' typical Steve says he would. Who are you trying to convince? Cal? Good luck with that. I'm simply pointing out that we can't start putting ourselves on the back about it just yet. Not until you address the real elephant in the room which is the motive not just the opportunity. All of us have the opportunity. You could go buy a gun today and start shooting up the joint but you don't. Why? You don't have a motive.
If the motive isnt addressed acts of shocking violence will continue to go on with different methods of opportunity.
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