Gun safety survey
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the mentally listless problem is the woodpecker's ideas.
So, woodpecker, if you really genuinely CARE about these deaths,
here are some suggestions:
1. Put God back in our schools.
2. Teach children to respect each other, respect our country and our flag.
3. STOP any and all bullying.
4. Teach kids that there are only two genders.
5. Teach kids citizenship, and how to be a friend.
6. LEGITMATELY, give teachers a chance to start a report on threats and very odd, aggressive behavior via official channels...Obamao/biden stopped this. because it was "racist".
7. Discipline - put it BACK into our schools. Right now, teachers and students are AT RISK because of obaMao/biden school policies.
8. Get back to reading, writing and arithmatic. Stop the liberal social agenda garbage.
9. Teach kids the DANGERS of illegal drugs and alcohol.
10. Teach kids CRITICAL THINKING and HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
11. Teach teachers to reach out to loner kids - kids who don't fit into the usual social cliques and activities.
12. Develop communication with students about social media - and how it can be a danger just as it can be great fun and constructive.
13. Teach kids about self-actualization, and how it is important to grow into themselves constructively and happily.
Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
1. Put God back in our schools.
I agree. All the Gods. Throw ‘em all in there. The students will believe whichever God they choose to believe, and they can learn about the other ones in the process. Reduce ignorance.
2. Teach children to respect each other, respect our country and our flag.
Absolutely. They have to find where they fit in the world and our country. I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.
3. STOP any and all bullying.
Nice idea, but maybe a little unreasonable. We want kids to face hardship from a variety of places so they can learn healthy ways to respond. We don’t want a bunch of ninny kids.
4. Teach kids that there are only two genders.
I’ll admit l don’t really understand trans, but if you advocate this hard line “only 2 genders” thing then you’re going to create some loose end trans kid with a gun. This is what we’re trying to avoid. We want the trans kids to find their place in the world too.
5. Teach kids citizenship, and how to be a friend.
Sing me the Golden Girls theme song my man.
6. LEGITMATELY, give teachers a chance to start a report on threats and very odd, aggressive behavior via official channels...Obamao/biden stopped this. because it was "racist".
They should probably finish the report too.
7. Discipline - put it BACK into our schools. Right now, teachers and students are AT RISK because of obaMao/biden school policies.
I’m not sure about this one. I don’t think we can give schools cart blanche on punishing students but then be all “let the parents decide” on other things. Some parents don’t want your hand on their kid’s ass.
8. Get back to reading, writing and arithmatic. Stop the liberal social agenda garbage.
I don’t thing they stopped reading, writing and arithmetic. As mentioned before learning another language will help with arithmetic.
9. Teach kids the DANGERS of illegal drugs and alcohol.
I know right? There’s nothing worse than your teacher handing you a bong before class.
10. Teach kids CRITICAL THINKING and HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Sing it!
11. Teach teachers to reach out to loner kids - kids who don't fit into the usual social cliques and activities.
I think l pretty well addressed that above. Teachers can help steer, but ultimately it’s their peers kids will need to fit in with.
12. Develop communication with students about social media - and how it can be a danger just as it can be great fun and constructive.
Sure.
13. Teach kids about self-actualization, and how it is important to grow into themselves constructively and happily.
If we’re tossing in a reference to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs then self actualization is the tippy top of living life, and l suppose you can “teach it” but it’s more important to build the foundation so that students have the tools to achieve it, but it’s pretty unlikely they will while still in school.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
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We could only hope any measures are as effective as sprinkler systems which are mandated because they demonstrably save lives.
I should say a sprinkler system that sometimes gets nervous around fire and runs. Or sometimes confuses the fire with another sprinkler. Or sometimes turns and lights it's own fire. Or..
I should say a sprinkler system that sometimes gets nervous around fire and runs. Or sometimes confuses the fire with another sprinkler. Or sometimes turns and lights it's own fire. Or..
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Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
1. Put God back in our schools.
I agree. All the Gods. Throw ‘em all in there. The students will believe whichever God they choose to believe, and they can learn about the other ones in the process. Reduce ignorance.
2. Teach children to respect each other, respect our country and our flag.
Absolutely. They have to find where they fit in the world and our country. I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.
3. STOP any and all bullying.
Nice idea, but maybe a little unreasonable. We want kids to face hardship from a variety of places so they can learn healthy ways to respond. We don’t want a bunch of ninny kids.
4. Teach kids that there are only two genders.
I’ll admit l don’t really understand trans, but if you advocate this hard line “only 2 genders” thing then you’re going to create some loose end trans kid with a gun. This is what we’re trying to avoid. We want the trans kids to find their place in the world too.
5. Teach kids citizenship, and how to be a friend.
Sing me the Golden Girls theme song my man.
6. LEGITMATELY, give teachers a chance to start a report on threats and very odd, aggressive behavior via official channels...Obamao/biden stopped this. because it was "racist".
They should probably finish the report too.
7. Discipline - put it BACK into our schools. Right now, teachers and students are AT RISK because of obaMao/biden school policies.
I’m not sure about this one. I don’t think we can give schools cart blanche on punishing students but then be all “let the parents decide” on other things. Some parents don’t want your hand on their kid’s ass.
8. Get back to reading, writing and arithmatic. Stop the liberal social agenda garbage.
I don’t thing they stopped reading, writing and arithmetic. As mentioned before learning another language will help with arithmetic.
9. Teach kids the DANGERS of illegal drugs and alcohol.
I know right? There’s nothing worse than your teacher handing you a bong before class.
10. Teach kids CRITICAL THINKING and HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Sing it!
11. Teach teachers to reach out to loner kids - kids who don't fit into the usual social cliques and activities.
I think l pretty well addressed that above. Teachers can help steer, but ultimately it’s their peers kids will need to fit in with.
12. Develop communication with students about social media - and how it can be a danger just as it can be great fun and constructive.
Sure.
13. Teach kids about self-actualization, and how it is important to grow into themselves constructively and happily.
If we’re tossing in a reference to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs then self actualization is the tippy top of living life, and l suppose you can “teach it” but it’s more important to build the foundation so that students have the tools to achieve it, but it’s pretty unlikely they will while still in school.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Anything but addressing the 800 pound gun in the room I guess...
Forcing kids to be social that don't want to be isn't going to do anything. Not to mention classes that cover different cultures and religions exist.
Address the means to commit mass murder. Heaven forbid people will have more restrictions around their toys
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Also, I'm seen Cals post now that hoorta quoted it
Go fuck yourself Cal. Go ride your magic donkey into the woods and duck yourself
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whooreta and woodpecker don't really give a damn about kids who die.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
Demand? why do you "care" about kids who die by gunfire by maniacs, but you have never said ONE WORD about car accidents? Cars are the number one killer of children. So shove that up YOUR rabbithole. Why not admit you haven't said much at all about all the fentanyl deaths? drug overdoses???
Logical conclusion = railing about gun crime only means your "in your face" political bigotry.
and, 8 rounds? when the standard is generally ten? just another lib talking point. You can go kiss your hero Beto's rump.
Yep, it's that time of night again.
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woodpecker said:
really stupid ass crap again
Truth is, you are also not one to talk about fentanyl deaths. drug overdoes deaths. auto crash deaths - the leading killer of children.
just rail against guns on gun crime. If you actually DID care, you would care about the other.
But, you never say it. Just politicize gun ownership like it's the ONLY way kids are dying.
You really do seem like a slutty birdbrain. and a dishonest and ignorant entry in any discussion.
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woodpecker said:
really stupid ass crap again
Truth is, you are also not one to talk about fentanyl deaths. drug overdoes deaths. auto crash deaths - the leading killer of children.
just rail against guns on gun crime. If you actually DID care, you would care about the other.
But, you never say it. Just politicize gun ownership like it's the ONLY way kids are dying.
You really do seem like a slutty birdbrain. and a dishonest and ignorant entry in any discussion.
woodpecker said:
really stupid ass crap again
Truth is, you are also not one to talk about fentanyl deaths. drug overdoes deaths. auto crash deaths - the leading killer of children.
just rail against guns on gun crime. If you actually DID care, you would care about the other.
But, you never say it. Just politicize gun ownership like it's the ONLY way kids are dying.
You really do seem like a slutty birdbrain. and a dishonest and ignorant entry in any discussion.
Deflections are pretty weak man. What about deaths by radon gas? What about spontaneous human combustion?
Both legally driving a car and legally prescribing fentanyl are things that require a license and/or registration. You seem to acknowledge the potential deadliness of both, but are against a similar license/registration for firearms?
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whooreta and woodpecker don't really give a damn about kids who die.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
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whooreta and woodpecker don't really give a damn about kids who die.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
Yes Cal that was a f*****-up thing to say. Beyond that Larry the NRA went bankrupt last year they're hardly your problem. If you want to gripe about lobbyists maybe you should turn your attention toward the pharmaceutical Lobby which is one of the largest if not the largest in the world. And then think about the forced vaccinations and who that might possibly benefit.
By the way, baby steps toward what?
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Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
1. Put God back in our schools.
I agree. All the Gods. Throw ‘em all in there. The students will believe whichever God they choose to believe, and they can learn about the other ones in the process. Reduce ignorance.
2. Teach children to respect each other, respect our country and our flag.
Absolutely. They have to find where they fit in the world and our country. I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.
3. STOP any and all bullying.
Nice idea, but maybe a little unreasonable. We want kids to face hardship from a variety of places so they can learn healthy ways to respond. We don’t want a bunch of ninny kids.
4. Teach kids that there are only two genders.
I’ll admit l don’t really understand trans, but if you advocate this hard line “only 2 genders” thing then you’re going to create some loose end trans kid with a gun. This is what we’re trying to avoid. We want the trans kids to find their place in the world too.
5. Teach kids citizenship, and how to be a friend.
Sing me the Golden Girls theme song my man.
6. LEGITMATELY, give teachers a chance to start a report on threats and very odd, aggressive behavior via official channels...Obamao/biden stopped this. because it was "racist".
They should probably finish the report too.
7. Discipline - put it BACK into our schools. Right now, teachers and students are AT RISK because of obaMao/biden school policies.
I’m not sure about this one. I don’t think we can give schools cart blanche on punishing students but then be all “let the parents decide” on other things. Some parents don’t want your hand on their kid’s ass.
8. Get back to reading, writing and arithmatic. Stop the liberal social agenda garbage.
I don’t thing they stopped reading, writing and arithmetic. As mentioned before learning another language will help with arithmetic.
9. Teach kids the DANGERS of illegal drugs and alcohol.
I know right? There’s nothing worse than your teacher handing you a bong before class.
10. Teach kids CRITICAL THINKING and HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Sing it!
11. Teach teachers to reach out to loner kids - kids who don't fit into the usual social cliques and activities.
I think l pretty well addressed that above. Teachers can help steer, but ultimately it’s their peers kids will need to fit in with.
12. Develop communication with students about social media - and how it can be a danger just as it can be great fun and constructive.
Sure.
13. Teach kids about self-actualization, and how it is important to grow into themselves constructively and happily.
If we’re tossing in a reference to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs then self actualization is the tippy top of living life, and l suppose you can “teach it” but it’s more important to build the foundation so that students have the tools to achieve it, but it’s pretty unlikely they will while still in school.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
You make good points for focusing on the kids. Teach them values, not CRT or gender pronouns.
Promoting the family structure has to part of it.
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Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Anything but addressing the 800 pound gun in the room I guess...
Forcing kids to be social that don't want to be isn't going to do anything. Not to mention classes that cover different cultures and religions exist.
Address the means to commit mass murder. Heaven forbid people will have more restrictions around their toys
Anything but addressing the 800 pound gun in the room I guess...
Forcing kids to be social that don't want to be isn't going to do anything. Not to mention classes that cover different cultures and religions exist.
Address the means to commit mass murder. Heaven forbid people will have more restrictions around their toys
What is the point youre actually trying to make here? I personally have already said repeatedly that I don't give a shit if they limit guns or ban new sales altogether. By "don't give a fuck" I mean I'll support it if that's what they do. Ibb says he will. Even your apparent nemesis, ol' typical Steve says he would. Who are you trying to convince? Cal? Good luck with that. I'm simply pointing out that we can't start putting ourselves on the back about it just yet. Not until you address the real elephant in the room which is the motive not just the opportunity. All of us have the opportunity. You could go buy a gun today and start shooting up the joint but you don't. Why? You don't have a motive.
If the motive isnt addressed acts of shocking violence will continue to go on with different methods of opportunity.
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Quite the spirited debate. Looks like everyone found the winder on Cal’s back again. Better than a bongo monkey.
I actually sorta kinda think Cal’s got the right idea on some of his suggestions. I agree on some of his philosophies to take it back to education and socializing of our kids.
If we focus on root causes that could drive someone to do something as heinous as a mass shooting, it typically has something to do with some combination of isolationism and ignorance. Isolationism, feeling like you don’t fit in, there’s no place for you, everybody’s against you, etc. Ignorance of people different than you is the root to xenophobia and bigotry. It’s easy to demonize people you don’t fully understand.
With this in mind, take steps to reduce ignorance and promote inclusion. Let’s face it, we’re a nation of many different types of people, many cultures, subcultures, religions, etc. We either have to make the best of it or have a race war. This in between shit of half ass tolerating each other is partially to blame for some of these awful incidents.
Start teaching about world cultures and American subcultures in school. Make it mandatory to have a religion 101 type class in school.
Require every student to do a certain amount of community service every year. Get them involved in the community and let them see how their actions can make a positive difference in the world, and get them out of their own heads and their own problems.
Make every student be involved in some sort of extra curricular activity that involves them working with other students to accomplish a common goal. The baseball team, glee club, debate team, video game consortium, whatever. As long as they are physically together and working towards a common goal.
Make Spanish our official second language. That alone will go a long way to breaking down barriers and will likely improve their math skills (the same part of the brain to learn language is the same for math and logic). I know the “speak English or die” crowd won’t like it, but in a generation or 2 you won’t even be able to get a job waiting tables or customer service without being bilingual.
These are things that over time will help. I’ll address some of Cal’s points and then give a thought or two on more immediate things that may help.
Other than all that, I actually thought the renewing gun registration was a good idea. People have to renew their driver’s license and get their eyes checked every so often, so it seems reasonable to do the same for a firearm. Have eyesight checked and maybe a very basic psych evaluation.
I think Cysko had some disparaging words about the internet and social media on young people, and l gotta say l agree with some of that. There again it can lead to isolationism and a myriad of mind fucking depending on what it is they’re digging into. Not sure how you regulate all that but it’s a fantastic idea to find a way.
Anything but addressing the 800 pound gun in the room I guess...
Forcing kids to be social that don't want to be isn't going to do anything. Not to mention classes that cover different cultures and religions exist.
Address the means to commit mass murder. Heaven forbid people will have more restrictions around their toys
Anything but addressing the 800 pound gun in the room I guess...
Forcing kids to be social that don't want to be isn't going to do anything. Not to mention classes that cover different cultures and religions exist.
Address the means to commit mass murder. Heaven forbid people will have more restrictions around their toys
An Examination of School Shootings and Mental Health: A Comparative Case Study
https://digitalworks.union.edu/theses/1684/
School shootings have become more relevant in our society over the past few decades, yet the debate over the cause of these shootings never seems to reach a conclusion. The current study looks at the connection between mental illness and school shootings, as well as the roles that media, gun control, violence, and masculinity play in the common phenomena. Prior literature has debated over the main causes of school shootings, but many researchers state differing opinions regarding the motivations for perpetrators. This study found that severe mental illness is the main cause of school shootings, and while mental illness may be the main explanation, a lack of social capital, alongside male pressure to conform to societal stereotypes, play significant parts as well. 96% of shooters are male, and when addressing the notion of male stereotypes, it is important to note that men, specifically men with mental illnesses, are socialized to not seek help. Other aspects that pertain to the possible causes of school shootings are the immense lack of gun control in the United States and the sensationalization of perpetrators in the media. The combination of all of these factors, with mental illness as the most prominent, contribute to the overwhelmingly sizable problem that has become school shootings. The rate of school shootings only seems to be increasing, and while school shootings may never cease to exist, the United States can certainly decrease the rate at which shootings occur through increased mental health resources in schools.
Recommended Citation
Kaufman, Emily, "An Examination of School Shootings and Mental Health: A Comparative Case Study" (2018). Honors Theses. 1684.
https://digitalworks.union.edu/theses/1684 -
Population of Australia is 26,059,789 as of Thursday, May 26, 2022
329.5 million - 26 million = 303.5 million more people not as easy to confiscate guns as it would be in Australia or Canada
Population elsewhereUnited States 329.5 million (2020) -
FU- I DEMAND an apology you nut job. I most certainly DO care about those kids who just got killed, quite a bit actually... Ditto those folks in Buffalo. Go back to your delusional rabbit hole. Before you get me pissed off with your bullshit.
It's YOU and your pals at the NRA who value your guns more than kids lives. So hells bells, let's turn schools into virtual prison camps to protect them from the nuts who have easy access to weapons designed to kill 10-20 people at once.
My one small suggestion Steve? Yeah, there's too many out there already, but ban the production and sale of magazines capable of holding more than eight rounds. Baby steps.
Yes Cal that was a f*****-up thing to say. Beyond that Larry the NRA went bankrupt last year they're hardly your problem. If you want to gripe about lobbyists maybe you should turn your attention toward the pharmaceutical Lobby which is one of the largest if not the largest in the world. And then think about the forced vaccinations and who that might possibly benefit.
By the way, baby steps toward what?
WSS
Yes Cal that was a f*****-up thing to say. Beyond that Larry the NRA went bankrupt last year they're hardly your problem. If you want to gripe about lobbyists maybe you should turn your attention toward the pharmaceutical Lobby which is one of the largest if not the largest in the world. And then think about the forced vaccinations and who that might possibly benefit.
By the way, baby steps toward what?
WSS
Toward maybe making it a bit tougher to squeeze off anywhere from 20 rounds and up in less than 30 seconds? I'm seeing a lot of cherry picking statistics here Steve. Sure, homicides by paramilitary weapons are only a small percentage of total cases, but they're an inordinate percentage of the weapons used in mass casualties.
& dammit, I worked in an inner city hospital for 25 years, and was the Blood Bank tech who got called to the ER for every trauma. After midnight every Friday and Saturday, almost like clockwork. Guys hauled in after being shot getting into a drunk argument at a bar... Of course settle it with a gun.If you want my honest 0.02 what I'd like to see done (never happen) is put AR-15s and the like in the category that's now reserved for full automatic weapons. You'd need a permit, and a thorough background check. Been doing a lot of thinking about the 2nd amendment lately too. The gun lobby (mistakenly) thinks the Constitution and Bill of Rights were handed down by God and engraved in stone. Obviously not the case. We had Prohibition, and then revocation of Prohibition. If you somehow could resurrect Madison, Jefferson, Franklin and ask them to describe "Arms" you wouldn't get anything close to what the gun lobby thinks is their "right" to keep and own today.
In that light, time to review what arms means? I humbly think so.
Since you brought up the other big lobby- the Pharmaceutical industry... You're damn right I'm pissed off about the total inaction there. What happened to buying your drugs from Canada? Can't get your drugs from other countries either, and why the hell is that? It's total bullshit Steve. My generic Prilosec is made by Teva- in Israel. Ditto North Star there too. India is another major supplier of drugs marketed in the United States.
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and not one word about children dying in car crashes, and drug overdoses. not one word about children being sex trafficked.
just hideous violent crime by severely trouble/screwed up violent murderes.
got it.
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Yes Cal that was a f*****-up thing to say. Beyond that Larry the NRA went bankrupt last year they're hardly your problem. If you want to gripe about lobbyists maybe you should turn your attention toward the pharmaceutical Lobby which is one of the largest if not the largest in the world. And then think about the forced vaccinations and who that might possibly benefit.
By the way, baby steps toward what?
WSS
Toward maybe making it a bit tougher to squeeze off anywhere from 20 rounds and up in less than 30 seconds? I'm seeing a lot of cherry picking statistics here Steve. Sure, homicides by paramilitary weapons are only a small percentage of total cases, but they're an inordinate percentage of the weapons used in mass casualties.
& dammit, I worked in an inner city hospital for 25 years, and was the Blood Bank tech who got called to the ER for every trauma. After midnight every Friday and Saturday, almost like clockwork. Guys hauled in after being shot getting into a drunk argument at a bar... Of course settle it with a gun.If you want my honest 0.02 what I'd like to see done (never happen) is put AR-15s and the like in the category that's now reserved for full automatic weapons. You'd need a permit, and a thorough background check. Been doing a lot of thinking about the 2nd amendment lately too. The gun lobby (mistakenly) thinks the Constitution and Bill of Rights were handed down by God and engraved in stone. Obviously not the case. We had Prohibition, and then revocation of Prohibition. If you somehow could resurrect Madison, Jefferson, Franklin and ask them to describe "Arms" you wouldn't get anything close to what the gun lobby thinks is their "right" to keep and own today.
In that light, time to review what arms means? I humbly think so.
Since you brought up the other big lobby- the Pharmaceutical industry... You're damn right I'm pissed off about the total inaction there. What happened to buying your drugs from Canada? Can't get your drugs from other countries either, and why the hell is that? It's total bullshit Steve. My generic Prilosec is made by Teva- in Israel. Ditto North Star there too. India is another major supplier of drugs marketed in the United States.
Toward maybe making it a bit tougher to squeeze off anywhere from 20 rounds and up in less than 30 seconds? I'm seeing a lot of cherry picking statistics here Steve. Sure, homicides by paramilitary weapons are only a small percentage of total cases, but they're an inordinate percentage of the weapons used in mass casualties.
& dammit, I worked in an inner city hospital for 25 years, and was the Blood Bank tech who got called to the ER for every trauma. After midnight every Friday and Saturday, almost like clockwork. Guys hauled in after being shot getting into a drunk argument at a bar... Of course settle it with a gun.If you want my honest 0.02 what I'd like to see done (never happen) is put AR-15s and the like in the category that's now reserved for full automatic weapons. You'd need a permit, and a thorough background check. Been doing a lot of thinking about the 2nd amendment lately too. The gun lobby (mistakenly) thinks the Constitution and Bill of Rights were handed down by God and engraved in stone. Obviously not the case. We had Prohibition, and then revocation of Prohibition. If you somehow could resurrect Madison, Jefferson, Franklin and ask them to describe "Arms" you wouldn't get anything close to what the gun lobby thinks is their "right" to keep and own today.
In that light, time to review what arms means? I humbly think so.
Since you brought up the other big lobby- the Pharmaceutical industry... You're damn right I'm pissed off about the total inaction there. What happened to buying your drugs from Canada? Can't get your drugs from other countries either, and why the hell is that? It's total bullshit Steve. My generic Prilosec is made by Teva- in Israel. Ditto North Star there too. India is another major supplier of drugs marketed in the United States.
So just to clarify: you're walking back the 100 round rifles reducing the maximum capacity to what, 10, 20? It's actually 30 now. Also are semi automatics now out why? As in 1911 Style 9 mm handguns that most people are on? It makes absolutely no difference to me if a weapon has a wooden or aluminum stock for a pistol grip. Background checks are fine but the huge majority of people have never been documented as crazy.
Plus if the dirt ball is coming in to give blood for money I would imagine somewhere within his circle of acquaintances will pay him more for an illegal weapon then the city is going to give. And the program sightseeing included tennis shoes and basketball tickets. Which is a little bit racist in and of itself. Hahaha
And I'm not talking about prescription drug prices I'm talking about the monsters windfall they've had Premier required vaccinations.
WSS
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Yes Cal that was a f*****-up thing to say. Beyond that Larry the NRA went bankrupt last year they're hardly your problem. If you want to gripe about lobbyists maybe you should turn your attention toward the pharmaceutical Lobby which is one of the largest if not the largest in the world. And then think about the forced vaccinations and who that might possibly benefit.
By the way, baby steps toward what?
WSS
Toward maybe making it a bit tougher to squeeze off anywhere from 20 rounds and up in less than 30 seconds? I'm seeing a lot of cherry picking statistics here Steve. Sure, homicides by paramilitary weapons are only a small percentage of total cases, but they're an inordinate percentage of the weapons used in mass casualties.
& dammit, I worked in an inner city hospital for 25 years, and was the Blood Bank tech who got called to the ER for every trauma. After midnight every Friday and Saturday, almost like clockwork. Guys hauled in after being shot getting into a drunk argument at a bar... Of course settle it with a gun.If you want my honest 0.02 what I'd like to see done (never happen) is put AR-15s and the like in the category that's now reserved for full automatic weapons. You'd need a permit, and a thorough background check. Been doing a lot of thinking about the 2nd amendment lately too. The gun lobby (mistakenly) thinks the Constitution and Bill of Rights were handed down by God and engraved in stone. Obviously not the case. We had Prohibition, and then revocation of Prohibition. If you somehow could resurrect Madison, Jefferson, Franklin and ask them to describe "Arms" you wouldn't get anything close to what the gun lobby thinks is their "right" to keep and own today.
In that light, time to review what arms means? I humbly think so.
Since you brought up the other big lobby- the Pharmaceutical industry... You're damn right I'm pissed off about the total inaction there. What happened to buying your drugs from Canada? Can't get your drugs from other countries either, and why the hell is that? It's total bullshit Steve. My generic Prilosec is made by Teva- in Israel. Ditto North Star there too. India is another major supplier of drugs marketed in the United States.
Toward maybe making it a bit tougher to squeeze off anywhere from 20 rounds and up in less than 30 seconds? I'm seeing a lot of cherry picking statistics here Steve. Sure, homicides by paramilitary weapons are only a small percentage of total cases, but they're an inordinate percentage of the weapons used in mass casualties.
& dammit, I worked in an inner city hospital for 25 years, and was the Blood Bank tech who got called to the ER for every trauma. After midnight every Friday and Saturday, almost like clockwork. Guys hauled in after being shot getting into a drunk argument at a bar... Of course settle it with a gun.If you want my honest 0.02 what I'd like to see done (never happen) is put AR-15s and the like in the category that's now reserved for full automatic weapons. You'd need a permit, and a thorough background check. Been doing a lot of thinking about the 2nd amendment lately too. The gun lobby (mistakenly) thinks the Constitution and Bill of Rights were handed down by God and engraved in stone. Obviously not the case. We had Prohibition, and then revocation of Prohibition. If you somehow could resurrect Madison, Jefferson, Franklin and ask them to describe "Arms" you wouldn't get anything close to what the gun lobby thinks is their "right" to keep and own today.
In that light, time to review what arms means? I humbly think so.
Since you brought up the other big lobby- the Pharmaceutical industry... You're damn right I'm pissed off about the total inaction there. What happened to buying your drugs from Canada? Can't get your drugs from other countries either, and why the hell is that? It's total bullshit Steve. My generic Prilosec is made by Teva- in Israel. Ditto North Star there too. India is another major supplier of drugs marketed in the United States.
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