Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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OJ had a jury trial. So I’ll stop you there
Hmmm…the NFL doing fact finding and a thorough “legal” process. what could go wrong there?
Wow I can give you plenty of examples of that going wildly wrong with horribly inconsistent results (depending on the team) too.
OJ had a farce of a jury trial, overwhelming evidence -but- afraid of rioting they let him go free.
Thank goodness he was such an idiot and got caught up in that civil stuff. OJ should never be a good example of jurisprudence that's for sure.
Now the " NFL jurisprudence " can be unpredictable at best .....just see the DW mess.
OJ had a farce of a jury trial, overwhelming evidence -but- afraid of rioting they let him go free.
Thank goodness he was such an idiot and got caught up in that civil stuff. OJ should never be a good example of jurisprudence that's for sure.
Now the " NFL jurisprudence " can be unpredictable at best .....just see the DW mess.
No sir, anticipating riots had nothing to do with him being set free.
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Great and I’m trying to figure out the Watson and OJ connection. I don’t have enough patience today to explain the differences with each
Just slow down and exhale. You'll get it if you want to...
Just slow down and exhale. You'll get it if you want to...
The slow down for you is here….
OJ and his defense team had an opportunity in trial to confront witnesses. Watson and his team could certainly confront witnesses against him IF he ever gets to that point including the detective that made statements of her opinion
Watson and his team didn’t have the same opportunity at his grand jury proceeding.
Grand Jury Proceeding vs Jury Trial are two different things. So again and with all due respect I’m not seeing the lazy connection being made.
I don’t practice law but there was a gentleman in here right after we signed Watson that explained grand jury proceedings (101 entry level style) Watson if I recall correctly had two separate proceedings in two different counties.
so again since that time he’s had two civil cases filed against him and multiple MEDIA hit pieces. Some of you are hell bent on respecting the media over the legal process that played out. And that’s fine because that is all too common these days.
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Just slow down and exhale. You'll get it if you want to...
The slow down for you is here….
OJ and his defense team had an opportunity in trial to confront witnesses. Watson and his team could certainly confront witnesses against him IF he ever gets to that point including the detective that made statements of her opinion
Watson and his team didn’t have the same opportunity at his grand jury proceeding.
Grand Jury Proceeding vs Jury Trial are two different things. So again and with all due respect I’m not seeing the lazy connection being made.
I don’t practice law but there was a gentleman in here right after we signed Watson that explained grand jury proceedings (101 entry level style) Watson if I recall correctly had two separate proceedings in two different counties.
so again since that time he’s had two civil cases filed against him and multiple MEDIA hit pieces. Some of you are hell bent on respecting the media over the legal process that played out. And that’s fine because that is all too common these days.
The slow down for you is here….
so again since that time he’s had two civil cases filed against him and multiple MEDIA hit pieces. Some of you are hell bent on respecting the media over the legal process that played out. And that’s fine because that is all too common these days.
Right, Watson has been cleared of any criminal wrong doing, but I'm sure you're aware the standards are a lot lower in a civil case. For gosh sakes, this isn't one or two episodes, it's 24- and another 40 or so women who were happy with their encounters.
If you think the media hit pieces are\were bad... You ain't seen nuthin' yet when this goes to trial. Going to be must watch sleaze TV. Generally speaking, NY Times investigative reporting is impeccable. 66 women in 18 months equals roughly one a week. So if a newspaper reporter could dig this up, it begs the question how much "due diligence" the Browns did before they sold their collective souls in search of that elusive SB Ring. It's going to be damn near impossible (IMHO) for Watson to whitewash that many episodes. Even if he manages to pull that off, he's still going to be a pariah in many, if the not the majority- of people's minds ala Michael Vick.
We'll see soon enough what the NFL's investigation turns up. They don't need a trial to convict Deshaun of being naughty, and tarnishing The Shield big time. They'll present their evidence to an independent arbitrator who will decide if their findings have any merit-or not. BTW, if the reports are accurate, those civil cases are being pushed back until spring of 2023 at the earliest. It's not Rocket Science on how the Browns are going to be greeted in away, and possibly home games with Watson at QB.
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The slow down for you is here….
so again since that time he’s had two civil cases filed against him and multiple MEDIA hit pieces. Some of you are hell bent on respecting the media over the legal process that played out. And that’s fine because that is all too common these days.
Right, Watson has been cleared of any criminal wrong doing, but I'm sure you're aware the standards are a lot lower in a civil case. For gosh sakes, this isn't one or two episodes, it's 24- and another 40 or so women who were happy with their encounters.
If you think the media hit pieces are\were bad... You ain't seen nuthin' yet when this goes to trial. Going to be must watch sleaze TV. Generally speaking, NY Times investigative reporting is impeccable. 66 women in 18 months equals roughly one a week. So if a newspaper reporter could dig this up, it begs the question how much "due diligence" the Browns did before they sold their collective souls in search of that elusive SB Ring. It's going to be damn near impossible (IMHO) for Watson to whitewash that many episodes. Even if he manages to pull that off, he's still going to be a pariah in many, if the not the majority- of people's minds ala Michael Vick.
We'll see soon enough what the NFL's investigation turns up. They don't need a trial to convict Deshaun of being naughty, and tarnishing The Shield big time. They'll present their evidence to an independent arbitrator who will decide if their findings have any merit-or not. BTW, if the reports are accurate, those civil cases are being pushed back until spring of 2023 at the earliest. It's not Rocket Science on how the Browns are going to be greeted in away, and possibly home games with Watson at QB.
Right, Watson has been cleared of any criminal wrong doing, but I'm sure you're aware the standards are a lot lower in a civil case. For gosh sakes, this isn't one or two episodes, it's 24- and another 40 or so women who were happy with their encounters.
If you think the media hit pieces are\were bad... You ain't seen nuthin' yet when this goes to trial. Going to be must watch sleaze TV. Generally speaking, NY Times investigative reporting is impeccable. 66 women in 18 months equals roughly one a week. So if a newspaper reporter could dig this up, it begs the question how much "due diligence" the Browns did before they sold their collective souls in search of that elusive SB Ring. It's going to be damn near impossible (IMHO) for Watson to whitewash that many episodes. Even if he manages to pull that off, he's still going to be a pariah in many, if the not the majority- of people's minds ala Michael Vick.
We'll see soon enough what the NFL's investigation turns up. They don't need a trial to convict Deshaun of being naughty, and tarnishing The Shield big time. They'll present their evidence to an independent arbitrator who will decide if their findings have any merit-or not. BTW, if the reports are accurate, those civil cases are being pushed back until spring of 2023 at the earliest. It's not Rocket Science on how the Browns are going to be greeted in away, and possibly home games with Watson at QB.
Watson didn’t even go to trial in a criminal matter. Michael Vick went to trial. He was convicted for killing dogs and being a profiteer in that act. Sorry I’m not following this connection. 2 for 2 with examples.
In all 12 of the cases brought before a grand jury there was no criminal wrong doing. Why weren’t almost half of the cases brought before the Grand Jury? I’m waiting for this to get exposed.
You got one thing right the burden is lowered in civil cases. But for once we get to hear if the States witnesses are actually credible and not just assume they are credible like some of these media outlets are doing.
Don’t even get me started on the NFL as an investigatory unit in this matter and a final piece to this puzzle. There is no rhyme or reason for any suspension or discipline that they levy and quite Honestly I’m not going to even make an educated guess there.
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Another OJ, Bill Cosby show that's just begun. And the NFL football season is just around the corner. Oh boy.
Another OJ, Bill Cosby show that's just begun. And the NFL football season is just around the corner. Oh boy.
Bill Cosby now!!!
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Right, Watson has been cleared of any criminal wrong doing, but I'm sure you're aware the standards are a lot lower in a civil case. For gosh sakes, this isn't one or two episodes, it's 24- and another 40 or so women who were happy with their encounters.
If you think the media hit pieces are\were bad... You ain't seen nuthin' yet when this goes to trial. Going to be must watch sleaze TV. Generally speaking, NY Times investigative reporting is impeccable. 66 women in 18 months equals roughly one a week. So if a newspaper reporter could dig this up, it begs the question how much "due diligence" the Browns did before they sold their collective souls in search of that elusive SB Ring. It's going to be damn near impossible (IMHO) for Watson to whitewash that many episodes. Even if he manages to pull that off, he's still going to be a pariah in many, if the not the majority- of people's minds ala Michael Vick.
We'll see soon enough what the NFL's investigation turns up. They don't need a trial to convict Deshaun of being naughty, and tarnishing The Shield big time. They'll present their evidence to an independent arbitrator who will decide if their findings have any merit-or not. BTW, if the reports are accurate, those civil cases are being pushed back until spring of 2023 at the earliest. It's not Rocket Science on how the Browns are going to be greeted in away, and possibly home games with Watson at QB.
Watson didn’t even go to trial in a criminal matter. Michael Vick went to trial. He was convicted for killing dogs and being a profiteer in that act. Sorry I’m not following this connection. 2 for 2 with examples.
In all 12 of the cases brought before a grand jury there was no criminal wrong doing. Why weren’t almost half of the cases brought before the Grand Jury? I’m waiting for this to get exposed.
You got one thing right the burden is lowered in civil cases. But for once we get to hear if the States witnesses are actually credible and not just assume they are credible like some of these media outlets are doing.
Don’t even get me started on the NFL as an investigatory unit in this matter and a final piece to this puzzle. There is no rhyme or reason for any suspension or discipline that they levy and quite Honestly I’m not going to even make an educated guess there.
Watson didn’t even go to trial in a criminal matter. Michael Vick went to trial. He was convicted for killing dogs and being a profiteer in that act. Sorry I’m not following this connection. 2 for 2 with examples.
In all 12 of the cases brought before a grand jury there was no criminal wrong doing. Why weren’t almost half of the cases brought before the Grand Jury? I’m waiting for this to get exposed.
You got one thing right the burden is lowered in civil cases. But for once we get to hear if the States witnesses are actually credible and not just assume they are credible like some of these media outlets are doing.
Don’t even get me started on the NFL as an investigatory unit in this matter and a final piece to this puzzle. There is no rhyme or reason for any suspension or discipline that they levy and quite Honestly I’m not going to even make an educated guess there.
You're not following along.... It doesn't matter one iota that Vick, or for that matter Cosby got criminally convicted. Public opinion is what's going to matter here. It's obvious you don't give a rat's ass what Watson was doing during those "massages". Hate to break it to you, there's a ton of Browns fans (some who are now former fans) who DO. To not renewing (valuable) PSLs, to lifelong fans throwing their Browns gear in the trash, and promising they're never watching another Browns game, or an impassioned Op-Ed letter to the Cleveland Plain Dealer telling Haslam... You majorly screwed up on this one... SELL THE TEAM!!!!
FWIW, in case you missed my sig line- I live in Dayton... Bengals territory. As a Season Ticket Holder since 1999 I've sort of stopped wearing my Browns gear out in public... I'm embarrassed to do so. I may as well wear a t-shirt saying "I LOVE Slimeballs like Desean Watson". Yeah, plenty of times I either get laughed at or get condescending "we're so sorry about your luck" looks.
I don't really care if your 0.02 is Watson is a guy with a lot of money and hopped up hormones who likes getting his weiner tugged, or some other more graphic stuff that I'll refrain from mentioning. Just be aware it's a minority opinion in Browns Town.
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That's the letter I was referring to Steve. thanks for digging it up.
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Don't miss the comments at the end of this article already posted by Steve just above. I wasn't wrong early on - now things are a lot worse.
He is now...officially "sleazi-er". Just a sickening disaster - the haslams are a disgrace, yes, they need to sell the team, which, at this point, will be less than what they paid for it, I think.
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Don't miss the comments at the end of this article already posted by Steve just above. I wasn't wrong early on - now things are a lot worse.
He is now...officially "sleazi-er". Just a sickening disaster - the haslams are a disgrace, yes, they need to sell the team, which, at this point, will be less than what they paid for it, I think.
Don't miss the comments at the end of this article already posted by Steve just above. I wasn't wrong early on - now things are a lot worse.
He is now...officially "sleazi-er". Just a sickening disaster - the haslams are a disgrace, yes, they need to sell the team, which, at this point, will be less than what they paid for it, I think.
Cal, once the number of accusers topped 10, to my mind that doesn't move the needle on the sleaze-o-meter anymore. However, I do think it's highly likely that these Suzie come latleys to the sue-athon that's going to unfold see a chance to cash in with the others. But OTOH, that doesn't mean Watson was doing stuff in an encounter with them that he probably shouldn't have been doing.
Whacking yourself off during a supposed "massage"? Um, just no.
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Zombo said:
When we first signed Watson, I was happy. I defended him. "Ok, he's REALLY into massage girls, likes happy endings, and while inappropriate, his behavior is not criminal. This attorney has a personal vendetta for him and is very good at coaching these women that they have been wronged"
The Browns said they vetted the hell out of the situation and that Watson was a good person and they wanted to build around him.
Watson said he did nothing wrong, and since we were in He Said / She Said territory, and there were no criminal charges ... I was all in on the new QB of the Cleveland Browns.
The NY Times article flipped things for me. I saw him as a different person: He manipulated the Texans, he lied to the Browns, and he lied to us at his press conference.
No one needs 66 different massage women in 17 months. No one needs a luxury hotel room where different massage girls are sent. No one needs a massage girl to sign a NDA unless creepy things are happening.
We traded our future away and paid $243 M guaranteed to a lying creep.
Oh ... my Browns.
The draft picks are gone.
But we can sue Watson for lying and then Jimmy can sell the team to a fucking hands off owner and let the football people run the team.
He just keeps fucking up.
But that's probably not happening. We will probably have Briskett go 9-8 this year and then we will have to start letting some talent go because of Watson's back ended guaranteed contract and never get to the Super Bowl while we root for a team led by this creep.
Oh ... my Browns ?
Z
I just re-read this post from 6/8 and nothing really has changed or improved since then. What a dilemma.
Oh ... my Browns indeed,
Time to go back over to my beloved Cleveland INDIANS, now the Guardians by far the youngest team in MLB but really fighting hard to stay over .500 led by the best manager in baseball. And the FO still a shining example of what it takes to compete as a small market team versus the big boys. I'm actually enjoying the season so far I've seem/heard all/part of every game this year but one.
Now Cleveland is first and foremost a football town no doubt about that let's just hope that they can pull out of this tailspin the homer in me firmly believes that....somehow.
So, GO BROWNS, we still love ya' !
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Regarding the 66 massage therapist in 17 months.
I don’t think it’s uncommon to live a huge city that is much more transient in nature than say a Cleveland where people take roots and don’t come and go as often. A therapist can be here today and gone tomorrow. Couple that with a football players demanding schedule short of time and a profession where chiropractic needs or massage needs are common. You have a greater need and a tight schedule and these guys and gals may not be full time or guess what they have other clients and patients.
So to say well no one has 66 massage therapist I think you need context
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Regarding the 66 massage therapist in 17 months.
I don’t think it’s uncommon to live a huge city that is much more transient in nature than say a Cleveland where people take roots and don’t come and go as often. A therapist can be here today and gone tomorrow. Couple that with a football players demanding schedule short of time and a profession where chiropractic needs or massage needs are common. You have a greater need and a tight schedule and these guys and gals may not be full time or guess what they have other clients and patients.
So to say well no one has 66 massage therapist I think you need context
Regarding the 66 massage therapist in 17 months.
I don’t think it’s uncommon to live a huge city that is much more transient in nature than say a Cleveland where people take roots and don’t come and go as often. A therapist can be here today and gone tomorrow. Couple that with a football players demanding schedule short of time and a profession where chiropractic needs or massage needs are common. You have a greater need and a tight schedule and these guys and gals may not be full time or guess what they have other clients and patients.
So to say well no one has 66 massage therapist I think you need context
I actually can understand that from a purely medical need, About 20 years ago I had a back pain problem spent 3 days in the hospital they could not help discharge instructions....pain management.
I found a great chiropractor who had an in-house LMT (licensed masso therapist) in the next 10 months over 2 years I had about 35 visits -and- they fixed my back up. Problem solved. They were great and super professional.
I knew a few NFL players that would see chiropractors and massage therapists weekly during the season and periodically in the off season to keep their bodies right. Game wear and tear plus weight lifting, etc. some players swear by them.
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Now DW is a different situation he is just out for a massage (I guess) and some sex afterward. He makes tons of money so this is his perv outlet.....but now it's taken over his football life and become a front page story. He's screwed up the BROWNS world that's a fact.
Not at a medical issue at all he's just a freaking idiot.
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Blue balls are a medical need.
Blue balls are a medical need.
I'll 2nd that!
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Blue balls are a medical need.
Blue balls are a medical need.
Another astute observation by our diehard.
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