Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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Again, if he’s innocent…why pay up? ?
Isn't it curious that not long after the Texans were named co defendants that these got settled
Isn't it curious that not long after the Texans were named co defendants that these got settled
I don’t find anything curious about it.
After the criminal arm of this investigation failed twice the accusers were no longer looking at restitution from this. Keep in mind they filed civil cases back in early 2021. So these cases are now evolving to the point where Watson’s side (now done with the criminal cases) would start to drill down and get statements from the accusers and go through the normal discovery process that would shed light on the validity or lack thereof with these claims and bring out all the skeletons in their closets. So now there is motivation.
The four left are trying to get more and see who will blink first.
And from Watson’s perspective When you are wealthy beyond imagination there is very little reason to put yourself through the civil gauntlet especially when the media has already painted you as the bad guy and the masses ate that up. Folks say to clear his name? but that will never happen. Some of you here will never see it that way. He’s just wasting his time and he may find a small group of jurors that think a wealthy man should pay more anyway.
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Isn't it curious that not long after the Texans were named co defendants that these got settled
I don’t find anything curious about it.
After the criminal arm of this investigation failed twice the accusers were no longer looking at restitution from this. Keep in mind they filed civil cases back in early 2021. So these cases are now evolving to the point where Watson’s side (now done with the criminal cases) would start to drill down and get statements from the accusers and go through the normal discovery process that would shed light on the validity or lack thereof with these claims and bring out all the skeletons in their closets. So now there is motivation.
The four left are trying to get more and see who will blink first.
And from Watson’s perspective When you are wealthy beyond imagination there is very little reason to put yourself through the civil gauntlet especially when the media has already painted you as the bad guy and the masses ate that up. Folks say to clear his name? but that will never happen. Some of you here will never see it that way. He’s just wasting his time and he may find a small group of jurors that think a wealthy man should pay more anyway.
I don’t find anything curious about it.
After the criminal arm of this investigation failed twice the accusers were no longer looking at restitution from this. Keep in mind they filed civil cases back in early 2021. So these cases are now evolving to the point where Watson’s side (now done with the criminal cases) would start to drill down and get statements from the accusers and go through the normal discovery process that would shed light on the validity or lack thereof with these claims and bring out all the skeletons in their closets. So now there is motivation.
The four left are trying to get more and see who will blink first.
And from Watson’s perspective When you are wealthy beyond imagination there is very little reason to put yourself through the civil gauntlet especially when the media has already painted you as the bad guy and the masses ate that up. Folks say to clear his name? but that will never happen. Some of you here will never see it that way. He’s just wasting his time and he may find a small group of jurors that think a wealthy man should pay more anyway.
mjp did the math... so offer the remaining 4 $200k, that's still less than a million. That blurb from Gumby pretty much nails it... If she was willing to come back for more of the same, draw your own conclusion. They're not happy with what the others got.
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he only took the Browns to the playoffs year before last, not being injured. This is a solid article for people who don't know what they are talking about:
http://www.trivisonno.com/baker-records
Baker Mayfield’s Standing NFL Records
A lot of these morons are going to find out soon how good Baker is. Jacoby Brissett?? LMAO!...
A lot of these morons are going to find out soon how good Baker is. Jacoby Brissett?? LMAO!...
And yet, not a single team want him in their locker room, let alone on the field with them. A lot of "morons" will soon find out how good he is on the CBS broadcast team
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And yet, not a single team want him in their locker room, let alone on the field with them. A lot of "morons" will soon find out how good he is on the CBS broadcast team
I don't know about retiring to the broadcast booth... But if Baker was such a hot commodity, some NFL team would have made an offer for him already. His $18 million is 1\2 of what top starting QBs in the NFL are making.
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So back to the topic, let's say the league suspension for one season and the Players Association threatens to strike unless they cut it in half. On 1 to 10 scale how big of a bunch of scumbags are the NFL players Association? Over under his nine.
WSS
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I don't think they'll threaten to strike.
If DW asks the union for help, they're obligated to help. It's within his rights as a member, and part of the CBA that the union & management signed off on.
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I don't think they'll threaten to strike.
If DW asks the union for help, they're obligated to help. It's within his rights as a member, and part of the CBA that the union & management signed off on.
Hey we've got no idea what their plans would be should the league had a one-season suspension.
However they approached it if he winds up with half of that it would seem to me to be a slap on the wrist given the consequences of other celebrities and other players. If he were a Steeler you'd agree.
WSS
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6.4/10
I don't think they'll threaten to strike.
If DW asks the union for help, they're obligated to help. It's within his rights as a member, and part of the CBA that the union & management signed off on.
Hey we've got no idea what their plans would be should the league had a one-season suspension.
However they approached it if he winds up with half of that it would seem to me to be a slap on the wrist given the consequences of other celebrities and other players. If he were a Steeler you'd agree.
WSS
Hey we've got no idea what their plans would be should the league had a one-season suspension.
However they approached it if he winds up with half of that it would seem to me to be a slap on the wrist given the consequences of other celebrities and other players. If he were a Steeler you'd agree.
WSS
Not sure Steve... Even if Watson was playing for the Steelers, 8 games sounds about right. Clearing up the majority of the civil complaints can't hurt.. Though the NFL is saying it's not going to influence what happens... As I'm sure you realize, Good-hell is initially out of the picture. Any findings the NFL has first go to an independent arbitrator. After that, it gets a little bit murky. Should she decide the NFL has no case, Watson is free to play with no consequences.
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Hey we've got no idea what their plans would be should the league had a one-season suspension.
However they approached it if he winds up with half of that it would seem to me to be a slap on the wrist given the consequences of other celebrities and other players. If he were a Steeler you'd agree.
WSS
Not sure Steve... Even if Watson was playing for the Steelers, 8 games sounds about right. Clearing up the majority of the civil complaints can't hurt.. Though the NFL is saying it's not going to influence what happens... As I'm sure you realize, Good-hell is initially out of the picture. Any findings the NFL has first go to an independent arbitrator. After that, it gets a little bit murky. Should she decide the NFL has no case, Watson is free to play with no consequences.
Not sure Steve... Even if Watson was playing for the Steelers, 8 games sounds about right. Clearing up the majority of the civil complaints can't hurt.. Though the NFL is saying it's not going to influence what happens... As I'm sure you realize, Good-hell is initially out of the picture. Any findings the NFL has first go to an independent arbitrator. After that, it gets a little bit murky. Should she decide the NFL has no case, Watson is free to play with no consequences.
"Cleaning up" is an odd phrase to use. Ben, who we used to call rapistburger, bang a drunken bitch, in a bathroom who chose to go in with him and drop her pants.
If the Watson Affair isn't unprecedented tell me what rises to that level?
It's a matter of further tarnishing the NFL's image; of course the players don't care.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Isn't it curious that not long after the Texans were named co defendants that these got settled
I don’t find anything curious about it.
After the criminal arm of this investigation failed twice the accusers were no longer looking at restitution from this. Keep in mind they filed civil cases back in early 2021. So these cases are now evolving to the point where Watson’s side (now done with the criminal cases) would start to drill down and get statements from the accusers and go through the normal discovery process that would shed light on the validity or lack thereof with these claims and bring out all the skeletons in their closets. So now there is motivation.
The four left are trying to get more and see who will blink first.
And from Watson’s perspective When you are wealthy beyond imagination there is very little reason to put yourself through the civil gauntlet especially when the media has already painted you as the bad guy and the masses ate that up. Folks say to clear his name? but that will never happen. Some of you here will never see it that way. He’s just wasting his time and he may find a small group of jurors that think a wealthy man should pay more anyway.
I don’t find anything curious about it.
After the criminal arm of this investigation failed twice the accusers were no longer looking at restitution from this. Keep in mind they filed civil cases back in early 2021. So these cases are now evolving to the point where Watson’s side (now done with the criminal cases) would start to drill down and get statements from the accusers and go through the normal discovery process that would shed light on the validity or lack thereof with these claims and bring out all the skeletons in their closets. So now there is motivation.
The four left are trying to get more and see who will blink first.
And from Watson’s perspective When you are wealthy beyond imagination there is very little reason to put yourself through the civil gauntlet especially when the media has already painted you as the bad guy and the masses ate that up. Folks say to clear his name? but that will never happen. Some of you here will never see it that way. He’s just wasting his time and he may find a small group of jurors that think a wealthy man should pay more anyway.
Someone's in LOVE! While SDBB is working on his 14th straight chapter of "this is only the media's fault" - the NFL is still investigating how long they might have to keep Watson out of SDBB's sight this football season. I'm no Casey Kasem but here's a long distance dedication from just 3 Doors Down to San Diego, California...
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As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
The BIG difference is NFL owners are filthy stinking rich.
And Watson is….umm….never mind.
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As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
The BIG difference is NFL owners are filthy stinking rich.
And Watson is….umm….never mind.
The BIG difference is NFL owners are filthy stinking rich.
And Watson is….umm….never mind. .....slightly overpaid ?
If you just want to buy an NFL team in 2022 you have to be a multi-billionaire and not afraid of some risk and debt for starters.
Oh and a new state-of-the-art stadium at least 1-2+ billion more. The NFL is really a super rich man's game now......like we didn't know that already.
But we still love
️ to watch it.
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As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
well, to be honest, Kraft was caught with two different -prostitutes. Not 66 massotherapists. and he wasn't being sued by "victims". Dan snyder, had two complaints against him for sexual harrassment/attempted assault.
So, the two situations are hardly comparable much. 66 is very, very bad. Doesn't say any of them were prostitutes.
66-2=64. A couple of incidents with those two lowlife owners is way less a concern than 66 times - a serial behavior problem.
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@hoorta said:
So, if a couple years from now Watson turns into a boy scout, all is forgiven. Right?
Only if he can go to a funeral and say the Apostles creed with everyone else.............................................................oh wait........scratch that requirement.?
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Possibly the devil's advocate here but, and this isn't political, but that's one of the things that sucks about the American legal system. You can accuse anybody of anything and they can go bankrupt trying to defend themselves whether it's bulshit or not.
( I still wish Watson was in Atlanta they like scumbag quarterbacks down there)
WSS
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As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
Some good points made. Ben's suspension was originally 6 games that got reduced to 4 games for good behavior, at least allegedly. I think it was because the 1 NFL owner (Rooney) that campaigned heavily to 31 other owners for a consensus of approval/support in selecting Roger Goodell as the NFL Commish - had a favor coming from the Commish. What better way to appreciate/reward Rooney with an announcement that reduced a punishment to the face of Rooney's franchise for good behavior.
In Watson's case, paying off 20 Massage Therapists during the social media era is inevitably going to invite critics that will want to see the NFL do a little more than a wrist slap. My question is will there be more pressure on the 4 Massage Therapists that refused to sell-out to continue this refusal when/if Watson starts to offer more money to them?
As we speak, a clip Roger Goodell was just on the NFL defending his punishment of Daniel Snyder. Seemed like the result of that investigation ended up punishing Jon Gruden a lot more than it punished Daniel Snyder.
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As far as punishment from the league lets remember mjp28's post in the other thread:
in defending Watson, the NFLPA will point to the punishments imposed (or not) on Commanders owner Daniel Snyder, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to support the argument that Watson’s punishment, if any, should reflect the consequences those owners received — especially since the Personal Conduct Policy warns that owners are held to a higher standard than players.
And what did Rapistberger end up with, 4 games? And Watson didn't rape anyone.
Now I'm not trying to make it seem like what he did was ok...but when it comes to doling out the sentence, it's gotta be somewhat commiserate with prior punishments for 'these types' of issues.
Some good points made. Ben's suspension was originally 6 games that got reduced to 4 games for good behavior, at least allegedly. I think it was because the 1 NFL owner (Rooney) that campaigned heavily to 31 other owners for a consensus of approval/support in selecting Roger Goodell as the NFL Commish - had a favor coming from the Commish. What better way to appreciate/reward Rooney with an announcement that reduced a punishment to the face of Rooney's franchise for good behavior.
In Watson's case, paying off 20 Massage Therapists during the social media era is inevitably going to invite critics that will want to see the NFL do a little more than a wrist slap. My question is will there be more pressure on the 4 Massage Therapists that refused to sell-out to continue this refusal when/if Watson starts to offer more money to them?
As we speak, a clip Roger Goodell was just on the NFL defending his punishment of Daniel Snyder. Seemed like the result of that investigation ended up punishing Jon Gruden a lot more than it punished Daniel Snyder.
Some good points made. Ben's suspension was originally 6 games that got reduced to 4 games for good behavior, at least allegedly. I think it was because the 1 NFL owner (Rooney) that campaigned heavily to 31 other owners for a consensus of approval/support in selecting Roger Goodell as the NFL Commish - had a favor coming from the Commish. What better way to appreciate/reward Rooney with an announcement that reduced a punishment to the face of Rooney's franchise for good behavior.
In Watson's case, paying off 20 Massage Therapists during the social media era is inevitably going to invite critics that will want to see the NFL do a little more than a wrist slap. My question is will there be more pressure on the 4 Massage Therapists that refused to sell-out to continue this refusal when/if Watson starts to offer more money to them?
As we speak, a clip Roger Goodell was just on the NFL defending his punishment of Daniel Snyder. Seemed like the result of that investigation ended up punishing Jon Gruden a lot more than it punished Daniel Snyder.
Again non-political but I was listening to some clips on ESPN 850 a.m. Cleveland driving home from Put-in-Bay. A ridiculous and embarrassing line of questioning from everybody involved. What a bunch of grandstanding assholes.
WSS
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Not sure Steve... Even if Watson was playing for the Steelers, 8 games sounds about right. Clearing up the majority of the civil complaints can't hurt.. Though the NFL is saying it's not going to influence what happens... As I'm sure you realize, Good-hell is initially out of the picture. Any findings the NFL has first go to an independent arbitrator. After that, it gets a little bit murky. Should she decide the NFL has no case, Watson is free to play with no consequences.
"Cleaning up" is an odd phrase to use. Ben, who we used to call rapistburger, bang a drunken bitch, in a bathroom who chose to go in with him and drop her pants.
If the Watson Affair isn't unprecedented tell me what rises to that level?
It's a matter of further tarnishing the NFL's image; of course the players don't care.
WSS
"Cleaning up" is an odd phrase to use. Ben, who we used to call rapistburger, bang a drunken bitch, in a bathroom who chose to go in with him and drop her pants.
If the Watson Affair isn't unprecedented tell me what rises to that level?
It's a matter of further tarnishing the NFL's image; of course the players don't care.
WSS
From what I read and heard, Ben brought an off duty cop with him to the ATL night club and had him barricade the bathroom door so she couldn't leave and nobody else could enter. In Pittsburgh, that cop was a hero because he prevented a gang bang and became the only witness for Ben in the he said vrs she said. Everywhere else, the cop was a dirt bag.
The volume of females now being investigated by a female on behalf of the NFL won't make this very comfortable for those getting their hopes up IMO. The Hornets nest we refer to as social media is going to be stirred by females wanting to picket the office of the NFL Commish. Count on it...
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Couple things to consider.
When you go down the road of saying there is no criminal charges...that's correct. There are none. That isn't the problem with this. Watsons lawyer has already been out talking in public about how massages that end with happy endings aren't illegal. Fine. i'll agree with him. He was putting that out because that is what they have evidence of. Is that criminal? A good lawyer could certainly argue that it isn't the same as paying for sex. It's almost certainly why no criminal charges were brought. ....Any trial that comes up, that stuff was going to come out and be proven, or just plain accepted as fact. Massage, that had happy ending. The issue.....and this is important because it's what makes Watson different from Kraft....the issue is the unconsentual nature of Watson presenting his junk to them in the manner that he is accused of doing. Kraft went into the rub and tug place....and was entering into consentual transactions for rub and tugs.
The problem of this sort of trial for Watson, is you are already conceding happy endings...there are already NDA's. It's not a big leap to say Watson proceded with these women without consent.
He should have settled a long time ago (if that was possible) and just flat out said he was into massages that might result in happy endings. It would look bad. It would cost some coin. People would at least understand there are dudes who like this and Watson is one of them. He's clearly gotten crap legal advice to this point.
I suppose it's still not too late to try and settle the other 4, and then try the best you can to frame this is ONLY about massages that ended in rub and tugs and not anything to do with putting your full on chubb in someones face etc against their will. Just settle, take your suspension and move on. He can't win by dragging this out or going to trial.
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This might be the worst pre-football BROWNS season that I can ever remember.
No notable looking ahead at the upcoming football season it's now buried in this DW soap opera plus right now we do not know who will be our Game 1 starting quarterback.......even with two experienced quarterbacks on the team.
Not a normal quarterback battle for the #1 spot instead the Cleveland BROWNS are a daily front page joke of having a top 5 quarterback who is some kind of idiot and a quarterback who's already said goodbye to Cleveland.
Thanks for the fine job in getting a $230M pervert to sign up for the team locking us up for years. We're now discussing criminal charges every day.
● Question: Anyone else here tired of this daily crap ?
GO BROWNS, we still love ya' ! It's the leadership decisions that we question.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
This might be the worst pre-football BROWNS season that I can ever remember.
No notable looking ahead at the upcoming football season it's now buried in this DW soap opera plus right now we do not know who will be our Game 1 starting quarterback.......even with two experienced quarterbacks on the team.
Not a normal quarterback battle for the #1 spot instead the Cleveland BROWNS are a daily front page joke of having a top 5 quarterback who is some kind of idiot and a quarterback who's already said goodbye to Cleveland.
Thanks for the fine job in getting a $230M pervert to sign up for the team locking us up for years. We're now discussing criminal charges every day.
● Question: Anyone else here tired of this daily crap ?
GO BROWNS, we still love ya' ! It's the leadership decisions that we question.
This might be the worst pre-football BROWNS season that I can ever remember.
No notable looking ahead at the upcoming football season it's now buried in this DW soap opera plus right now we do not know who will be our Game 1 starting quarterback.......even with two experienced quarterbacks on the team.
Not a normal quarterback battle for the #1 spot instead the Cleveland BROWNS are a daily front page joke of having a top 5 quarterback who is some kind of idiot and a quarterback who's already said goodbye to Cleveland.
Thanks for the fine job in getting a $230M pervert to sign up for the team locking us up for years. We're now discussing criminal charges every day.
● Question: Anyone else here tired of this daily crap ?
GO BROWNS, we still love ya' ! It's the leadership decisions that we question.
We’ve assembled our best roster (truly the case this time) since I can ever remember. We’ve got a young roster that is a year older. It is not all doom and despair and as long as the NFL doesn’t succumb to the Media’s desires on this suspension we will get to see elite level QB play for the first time in 30 years.
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