Baker to Carolina
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Baker for Poona Ford...
pipe dream ?
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Mayfield is fine where he's at right now. His value will not change until we get into training camp and beyond. Odds are someone will decide that they need to get him. I'd probably keep ownership of him at least until the trading deadline. It's a roster spot, I know...and they're valuable...but Baker represents a draft pick...and they're valuable too.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
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I do not believe that Watson is a better QB than Baker.
Just when I believed things were going well we had to go and try to fix what wasn't broken.
QB was not the only problem last year. Chubb and Hunt both missed games and were hurt. Landry was hurt. OBJ and his daddy screwed us over...
On top of that Baker was injured. This reminds me of why Jim Brown left before his time. This reminds me why Kosar got a ring AFTER he left. I really believe that the Cleveland Media revel in the Browns losing or being bad. As soon as we climb out of the basement they chase off the #4 all time best QB that we've ever had for a headcase that is D. Watson.
I'll never understand.
Baker should get this season to finish what he started.
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I do not believe that Watson is a better QB than Baker.
Just when I believed things were going well we had to go and try to fix what wasn't broken.
QB was not the only problem last year. Chubb and Hunt both missed games and were hurt. Landry was hurt. OBJ and his daddy screwed us over...
On top of that Baker was injured. This reminds me of why Jim Brown left before his time. This reminds me why Kosar got a ring AFTER he left. I really believe that the Cleveland Media revel in the Browns losing or being bad. As soon as we climb out of the basement they chase off the #4 all time best QB that we've ever had for a headcase that is D. Watson.
I'll never understand.
Baker should get this season to finish what he started.
I do not believe that Watson is a better QB than Baker.
Fortunately, Watson being a better on-field player doesn't require your belief.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
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People are more than welcome to have the opinion that Watson is a scumbag. I get that.
But saying that Baker Mayfield is as good, or better than Watson on the field?
That's ridiculous.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
I get what you are saying, but I don't know if I totally believe it.
You would have thought the Browns would have offered Baker a contract extension after his 2020 season, but I really get the impression that this front office and coaching staff always had one eye looking for an upgrade.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
We've seen Baker Mayfield at his best, worst and playing injured the FO has determined that the BROWNS needed a true franchise quarterback if/when one ever became available regardless of the cost to move to the next level.
And now we're here one big swing and a miss from that perfect play. How long until the stench wears off and maybe we find out how good of a quarterback DW can be....if that's possible.
Or every time he steps on the field wearing a BROWNS uniform he still will be "that guy" no matter what.
And we'll miss Bernie, Brian, Otto, Frank, Bill and even some of the other quarterbacks that also wore a BROWNS uniform. Character matters especially at quarterback more than any other position in team sports.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
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So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back
Even if that's true, things may have turned out very differently if Baker didn't play all but one game of the 2021 season injured. It could have made all the difference in Baker's value and the Haslam's desperation move for Watson. A healthy Baker and playoff berth and we wouldn't talking about Baker wanting out of Cleveland. That's just my opinion.
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So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
I was being facetious. And yes, I did follow all that and understood exactly what you were saying. I don't disagree with any of it.
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For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
I was being facetious. And yes, I did follow all that and understood exactly what you were saying. I don't disagree with any of it.
I was being facetious. And yes, I did follow all that and understood exactly what you were saying. I don't disagree with any of it.
My bad. I need that sarcasm font, big dog.
Even if that's true, things may have turned out very differently if Baker didn't play all but one game of the 2021 season injured. It could have made all the difference in Baker's value and the Haslam's desperation move for Watson. A healthy Baker and playoff berth and we wouldn't talking about Baker wanting out of Cleveland. That's just my opinion.
It's possible you're not wrong. Maybe a healthy shoulder bails out a few of his more disastrous throws based on 50/50 alone. But you still have to contend with the post snap decision making at the end of the day.
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As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
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As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
This whole BM and DW thing has been a slowly unfolding story with a bit of an unpredictable ending.
How will the Cleveland BROWNS football team end up when it's over -and- of course the long loyal fan base. We deserve a decent team to hit the field in September 2022.
GO BROWNS !
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As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
Well, one more time, Doug Dieken clearly lamented that the wr's were NOT getting open again and again. So, that doesn't translate into "Baker couldn't do it", but rather "no qb can throw to covered wr's". And again, the wr group is upgraded. If it was all Baker's fault they would have been fine staying with wr group they had.
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I was being facetious. And yes, I did follow all that and understood exactly what you were saying. I don't disagree with any of it.
My bad. I need that sarcasm font, big dog.
Even if that's true, things may have turned out very differently if Baker didn't play all but one game of the 2021 season injured. It could have made all the difference in Baker's value and the Haslam's desperation move for Watson. A healthy Baker and playoff berth and we wouldn't talking about Baker wanting out of Cleveland. That's just my opinion.
It's possible you're not wrong. Maybe a healthy shoulder bails out a few of his more disastrous throws based on 50/50 alone. But you still have to contend with the post snap decision making at the end of the day.
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