Baker to Carolina
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People are more than welcome to have the opinion that Watson is a scumbag. I get that.
But saying that Baker Mayfield is as good, or better than Watson on the field?
That's ridiculous.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
I get what you are saying, but I don't know if I totally believe it.
You would have thought the Browns would have offered Baker a contract extension after his 2020 season, but I really get the impression that this front office and coaching staff always had one eye looking for an upgrade.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
We've seen Baker Mayfield at his best, worst and playing injured the FO has determined that the BROWNS needed a true franchise quarterback if/when one ever became available regardless of the cost to move to the next level.
And now we're here one big swing and a miss from that perfect play. How long until the stench wears off and maybe we find out how good of a quarterback DW can be....if that's possible.
Or every time he steps on the field wearing a BROWNS uniform he still will be "that guy" no matter what.
And we'll miss Bernie, Brian, Otto, Frank, Bill and even some of the other quarterbacks that also wore a BROWNS uniform. Character matters especially at quarterback more than any other position in team sports.
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If Mayfield didn't try to play hero and make a shoulder tackle on a DB with a full head of steam off of an interception, we would not be talking about this. And the fact that he went on as long as he did with that injury.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
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So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back
Even if that's true, things may have turned out very differently if Baker didn't play all but one game of the 2021 season injured. It could have made all the difference in Baker's value and the Haslam's desperation move for Watson. A healthy Baker and playoff berth and we wouldn't talking about Baker wanting out of Cleveland. That's just my opinion.
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So the Browns are wrong about cutting ties to a QB who made two really bad decisions? Ok, got it.
For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
I was being facetious. And yes, I did follow all that and understood exactly what you were saying. I don't disagree with any of it.
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For someone like yourself who follows my posting and play/film breakdowns, you should know the Browns FO didn't base their decision on ONLY two really bad decisions.
I gave examples of Bakers lack of growth dating back to the KC & HOU game... before his shoulder injury.
I was being facetious. And yes, I did follow all that and understood exactly what you were saying. I don't disagree with any of it.
I was being facetious. And yes, I did follow all that and understood exactly what you were saying. I don't disagree with any of it.
My bad. I need that sarcasm font, big dog.
Even if that's true, things may have turned out very differently if Baker didn't play all but one game of the 2021 season injured. It could have made all the difference in Baker's value and the Haslam's desperation move for Watson. A healthy Baker and playoff berth and we wouldn't talking about Baker wanting out of Cleveland. That's just my opinion.
It's possible you're not wrong. Maybe a healthy shoulder bails out a few of his more disastrous throws based on 50/50 alone. But you still have to contend with the post snap decision making at the end of the day.
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As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
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As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
This whole BM and DW thing has been a slowly unfolding story with a bit of an unpredictable ending.
How will the Cleveland BROWNS football team end up when it's over -and- of course the long loyal fan base. We deserve a decent team to hit the field in September 2022.
GO BROWNS !
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As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
Well, one more time, Doug Dieken clearly lamented that the wr's were NOT getting open again and again. So, that doesn't translate into "Baker couldn't do it", but rather "no qb can throw to covered wr's". And again, the wr group is upgraded. If it was all Baker's fault they would have been fine staying with wr group they had.
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I was being facetious. And yes, I did follow all that and understood exactly what you were saying. I don't disagree with any of it.
My bad. I need that sarcasm font, big dog.
Even if that's true, things may have turned out very differently if Baker didn't play all but one game of the 2021 season injured. It could have made all the difference in Baker's value and the Haslam's desperation move for Watson. A healthy Baker and playoff berth and we wouldn't talking about Baker wanting out of Cleveland. That's just my opinion.
It's possible you're not wrong. Maybe a healthy shoulder bails out a few of his more disastrous throws based on 50/50 alone. But you still have to contend with the post snap decision making at the end of the day.
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As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
Well, one more time, Doug Dieken clearly lamented that the wr's were NOT getting open again and again. So, that doesn't translate into "Baker couldn't do it", but rather "no qb can throw to covered wr's". And again, the wr group is upgraded. If it was all Baker's fault they would have been fine staying with wr group they had.
Well, one more time, Doug Dieken clearly lamented that the wr's were NOT getting open again and again. So, that doesn't translate into "Baker couldn't do it", but rather "no qb can throw to covered wr's". And again, the wr group is upgraded. If it was all Baker's fault they would have been fine staying with wr group they had.
This is the same guy who was begging for the Browns to upgrade the WR position during the offseason when he thought Baker was going to be the starting QB.
Has anyone else ever noticed that the people who continually attempt to perform mental gymnastics are the people who are mentally in no condition to do so?
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As the seasons went on I found myself having less and less confidence that Baker could take us down the field for the game winning score when needed. I watched Stef try and nurse leads throughout second halves.
And as Dutch has pointed out many times, the FO never tried to get him signed to an extension. And that decision was made prior to his injury this past season. They'd already figured out that they didn't have their Championship caliber QB in place.
Well, one more time, Doug Dieken clearly lamented that the wr's were NOT getting open again and again. So, that doesn't translate into "Baker couldn't do it", but rather "no qb can throw to covered wr's". And again, the wr group is upgraded. If it was all Baker's fault they would have been fine staying with wr group they had.
Doug Dieken clearly lamented that the wr's were NOT getting open again and again. So, that doesn't translate into "Baker couldn't do it",
Our best receiver got off the team because of all of the times he was wide open and Baker never threw him the ball.
I get it. You like Baker. And you don't like Watson. But the organization obviously saw Baker they way I did (and others), and not the way you do (and others).
I saw a QB that misses receivers high when throwing over the middle, and makes selfish decisions with the ball instead of taking what is given.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Doug Dieken clearly lamented that the wr's were NOT getting open again and again. So, that doesn't translate into "Baker couldn't do it",
Our best receiver got off the team because of all of the times he was wide open and Baker never threw him the ball.
I get it. You like Baker. And you don't like Watson. But the organization obviously saw Baker they way I did (and others), and not the way you do (and others).
I saw a QB that misses receivers high when throwing over the middle, and makes selfish decisions with the ball instead of taking what is given.
Our best receiver got off the team because of all of the times he was wide open and Baker never threw him the ball.
I get it. You like Baker. And you don't like Watson. But the organization obviously saw Baker they way I did (and others), and not the way you do (and others).
I saw a QB that misses receivers high when throwing over the middle, and makes selfish decisions with the ball instead of taking what is given.
Fine you see it that way, but obj was a giant problem with the giants. and he was "injured" so much. And Landry got injured, and was NOT a deep threat. Of course, never happy. I saw a qb playing with a badly injured other shoulder, and not playing up to par. He set records. Of course I like Baker - he could have rocked with a better wr group, after recovering from surgery. I simply never liked players who are lowlifes. But 3 first round draft picks and .....
nah.
The truth is, neither obj or landry, no Browns wr is even on the list of top deep threat wr's.
Until now - Amari Cooper is SECOND.
Raiders' Amari Cooper No. 2 best deep-threat in NFL per PFF. Share this article 15 shares share tweet text email link Ryan Lipton. July 1, 2017 12:31 pm PT. Oakland Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper can do everything. ... July 1, 2017 12:31 pm PT. Oakland Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper can do everything. The former Crimson Tide is just as ...*********************************************************I saw a team with a poor wr group overall. Didn't fit. Love Landry, but he is not a deep threat. Teams sat on mid routes and outs, and Schwartz was raw and made a big mistake and it was an int.Baker set RECORDS when he actually had obj on the list.Here is a list of top deep threats in the NFL:1. TYREEK HILL, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
2. D.K. METCALF, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
3. KENNY GOLLADAY, NEW YORK GIANTS
4. WILL FULLER V, MIAMI DOLPHINS
5. CALVIN RIDLEY, ATLANTA FALCONS
Honorable Mention: TERRY MCLAURIN, WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM
and last year, the browns had a wr group that failed badly in comparison to
the other three teams in the division.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-10-deep-threats-bengals-ja-marr-chase-lone-rookie-on-list
NFL's top 10 deep threats: Bengals' Ja'Marr Chase lone rookie on list
Rank1Seattle Seahawks · WRRank2Cincinnati Bengals · WRRank3Houston Texans · WR (NOTE: where watson was from, big advantage)Rank4Philadelphia Eagles · WRRank5Kansas City Chiefs · WRRank6Los Angeles Rams · WRRank7Las Vegas Raiders · WRRank8Green Bay Packers · WRRank9Carolina Panthers · WRRank10Las Vegas Raiders · WR*********************************************************and Baker set records in 2020 without any of them. I just see watson as having had thenumber three deep threat to throw to. Baker didn't have one. and obj - the Giants couldn't WAIT til theygot his "it's all about me and my brand" out of town. and still, Baker led the browns to the playoffs. -
Our best receiver got off the team because of all of the times he was wide open and Baker never threw him the ball.
I get it. You like Baker. And you don't like Watson. But the organization obviously saw Baker they way I did (and others), and not the way you do (and others).
I saw a QB that misses receivers high when throwing over the middle, and makes selfish decisions with the ball instead of taking what is given.
Fine you see it that way, but obj was a giant problem with the giants. and he was "injured" so much. And Landry got injured, and was NOT a deep threat. Of course, never happy. I saw a qb playing with a badly injured other shoulder, and not playing up to par. He set records. Of course I like Baker - he could have rocked with a better wr group, after recovering from surgery. I simply never liked players who are lowlifes. But 3 first round draft picks and .....
nah.
The truth is, neither obj or landry, no Browns wr is even on the list of top deep threat wr's.
Until now - Amari Cooper is SECOND.
Raiders' Amari Cooper No. 2 best deep-threat in NFL per PFF. Share this article 15 shares share tweet text email link Ryan Lipton. July 1, 2017 12:31 pm PT. Oakland Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper can do everything. ... July 1, 2017 12:31 pm PT. Oakland Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper can do everything. The former Crimson Tide is just as ...*********************************************************I saw a team with a poor wr group overall. Didn't fit. Love Landry, but he is not a deep threat. Teams sat on mid routes and outs, and Schwartz was raw and made a big mistake and it was an int.Baker set RECORDS when he actually had obj on the list.Here is a list of top deep threats in the NFL:1. TYREEK HILL, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
2. D.K. METCALF, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
3. KENNY GOLLADAY, NEW YORK GIANTS
4. WILL FULLER V, MIAMI DOLPHINS
5. CALVIN RIDLEY, ATLANTA FALCONS
Honorable Mention: TERRY MCLAURIN, WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM
and last year, the browns had a wr group that failed badly in comparison to
the other three teams in the division.
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Our best receiver got off the team because of all of the times he was wide open and Baker never threw him the ball.
I get it. You like Baker. And you don't like Watson. But the organization obviously saw Baker they way I did (and others), and not the way you do (and others).
I saw a QB that misses receivers high when throwing over the middle, and makes selfish decisions with the ball instead of taking what is given.
Fine you see it that way, but obj was a giant problem with the giants. and he was "injured" so much. And Landry got injured, and was NOT a deep threat. Of course, never happy. I saw a qb playing with a badly injured other shoulder, and not playing up to par. He set records. Of course I like Baker - he could have rocked with a better wr group, after recovering from surgery. I simply never liked players who are lowlifes. But 3 first round draft picks and .....
nah.
The truth is, neither obj or landry, no Browns wr is even on the list of top deep threat wr's.
Until now - Amari Cooper is SECOND.
Raiders' Amari Cooper No. 2 best deep-threat in NFL per PFF. Share this article 15 shares share tweet text email link Ryan Lipton. July 1, 2017 12:31 pm PT. Oakland Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper can do everything. ... July 1, 2017 12:31 pm PT. Oakland Raiders wide receiver Amari Cooper can do everything. The former Crimson Tide is just as ...*********************************************************I saw a team with a poor wr group overall. Didn't fit. Love Landry, but he is not a deep threat. Teams sat on mid routes and outs, and Schwartz was raw and made a big mistake and it was an int.Baker set RECORDS when he actually had obj on the list.Here is a list of top deep threats in the NFL:1. TYREEK HILL, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
2. D.K. METCALF, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
3. KENNY GOLLADAY, NEW YORK GIANTS
4. WILL FULLER V, MIAMI DOLPHINS
5. CALVIN RIDLEY, ATLANTA FALCONS
Honorable Mention: TERRY MCLAURIN, WASHINGTON FOOTBALL TEAM
and last year, the browns had a wr group that failed badly in comparison to
the other three teams in the division.
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Oh, the irony.?
I don’t think he’s talking about Manziel Tex.
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Oh, the irony.?
I don’t think he’s talking about Manziel Tex.
I don’t think he’s talking about Manziel Tex.
Neither was I.?
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