Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.

Korsou Dawg

@nickers said:

With him at QB... It will never feel real for me... I will always think of of him as a despicable and selfish person... The Browns have sunk to the lowest common denominator enabling this turd fuck...

You use very resentful words when you describe him, which is your prerogative. Honest question though: why?

He used the services of seemingly cheap and sleazy masseuses. Is that enough to be so resentful? Do you know any of them personally? Is it getting tugs and paying for them? It seems likely tugs were offered to him, which I believe makes it a crime committed by the masseuse under Texas law. If there was any evidence he solicited them, the criminal cases against him wouldn't have been thrown out. Historically, juries in the south are quite gung ho about convicting black men, so there must really be no shred of evidence.

None of the actual facts known offend me, nor do they prevent my from wanting him on the team. If anything, I am seeing him more and more as a victim of a questionable legal system, and media witch hunt. My major gripe with him at this point is that he wasn't smart enough to do things 'right.' He should have gotten his massages from actual sports massage professionals. I am sure he would have been able to find one both qualified and attractive, if these were both requirements. And for tugs or equivalent I am sure Texas or neighboring states have their Heidi Fleiss who could offer those services discretely, and by women highly unlikely to get second thoughts about providing them.

Korsou Dawg

I say it's posturing by the league at this point. Reports came out that negotiations between NFL and NFLPA broke down. NFL now going 'all in,' because they know NFLPA can appeal the suspension. If negotiations broke down, that appeal seems a certainty at this point. Unfortunately, it seems this situation will drag out.

Westside Steve

https://www.aol.com/reports-deshaun-watson-face-nfl-223959970.html

"A retired U.S. District judge will rule on what, if any, suspension Watson faces. She's expected to rule before the start of training camp."

At this point it's almost constant clickbait in a news vacuum butt this is from yesterday.

Try not to forget that the NFL has an image problem and making him the face of our home team is not something I will enjoy. Better than Michael Vick or Ray Lewis but still...

WSS

calfoxwc

@korsou-dawg said:

None of the actual facts known offend me, nor do they prevent my from wanting him on the team.

that is fine, your choice. However,

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/03/how-do-you-feel-about-the-browns-trading-for-deshaun-watson-poll.html

"When we asked our readers on Wednesday how they would feel if the Browns traded for Watson, about 73.5 percent of voters said they were not in favor of it. But now that the trade is done and Watson is a member of the Browns, how do you feel now?"

*****************************

That was BEFORE the trade. A lot more has been found out now. It's a serious problem, but everyone makes their own choices on these kind of issues.

Dutch Oven

So it kind of seems like the Texans were complicit in the Watson massage therapist shenanigans, but will receive no punishment...

Why is this important, beyond the obvious?

Lets say Watson does get suspended for the entire season, and the Browns struggle in 2022.

Houston could end up getting a Top 10 pick from the Browns as a result.

#theysawthebrownscomingfrom1000milesaway

Canton Dawg

@dutch-oven said:

So it kind of seems like the Texans were complicit in the Watson massage therapist shenanigans, but will receive no punishment...

Why is this important, beyond the obvious?

Lets say Watson does get suspended for the entire season, and the Browns struggle in 2022.

Houston could end up getting a Top 10 pick from the Browns as a result.

#theysawthebrownscomingfrom1000milesaway

Yep, I mentioned this in another thread several weeks back.

I can imagine the thoughts of a top 5 draft pick waiting for the Texans as the Browns muddle their way this season with Briskett as our starting QB.

gumby73

Mrs Robinson has been left with a very serious main media circus to start with.. ?

Cheers to hoping? ?

Mrs Robinson can stick to not trying to solve cases...

I solely want to hear, the fact findings of what the NFL investors, Lisa Friel & Todd Jones have legit proof of..

bonus views... If we get any?...

a.) clarity into Texans involvement?

b.) DC writer claiming up to 60 claims?

It also, would not surprise me if NFLPA leaked the proposed 'significant suspension'.... coming

If your not familiar with the the now joined to NFLPA side?? Attorney Jeffery Kessler...

google this guys record vs. The NFL.. Mike Florio has him at 5-0...

Luckily ! I jump onto a plane, headed to Dad's (left-us) vacation place in Presque Isle,Michigan on Wednesday for a great 10 days of some Perch/Small-lee's & Walleye fishing on Grand Lake... with very Spotty internet ! I won't be looking for any updates..

Week 1 is already, Booked to be at the Carolina game with 5 Carolina fan family members..

come on down! the waters look fine.. images.jpg.a97b27482e365fbdd059e76ca676ce8f.jpg Let's Go Browns !

nickers

@korsou-dawg said:

You use very resentful words when you describe him, which is your prerogative. Honest question though: why?

He used the services of seemingly cheap and sleazy masseuses. Is that enough to be so resentful? Do you know any of them personally? Is it getting tugs and paying for them? It seems likely tugs were offered to him, which I believe makes it a crime committed by the masseuse under Texas law. If there was any evidence he solicited them, the criminal cases against him wouldn't have been thrown out. Historically, juries in the south are quite gung ho about convicting black men, so there must really be no shred of evidence.

None of the actual facts known offend me, nor do they prevent my from wanting him on the team. If anything, I am seeing him more and more as a victim of a questionable legal system, and media witch hunt. My major gripe with him at this point is that he wasn't smart enough to do things 'right.' He should have gotten his massages from actual sports massage professionals. I am sure he would have been able to find one both qualified and attractive, if these were both requirements. And for tugs or equivalent I am sure Texas or neighboring states have their Heidi Fleiss who could offer those services discretely, and by women highly unlikely to get second thoughts about providing them.

Yeah and a innocent person doesn't make his victims sign NDA's unless hes got something serious to hide then suddenly has to pay them off (20 women) An innocent person supposedly: Shouldnt have to pay anyone off!...... Puhleeze..

Westside Steve

I did read that the league is aggressively seeking an indefinite suspension but it was some bullshit Facebook Sports thing so I'm assuming somebody is talking out his or her ass.

edit

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10039923-report-nfl-pushing-for-indefinite-suspension-of-browns-deshaun-watson.amp.html

WSS

Westside Steve

@sdbacker80 said:

We’ve assembled our best roster (truly the case this time) since I can ever remember. We’ve got a young roster that is a year older. It is not all doom and despair and as long as the NFL doesn’t succumb to the Media’s desires on this suspension we will get to see elite level QB play for the first time in 30 years.

It's been a good roster for a while. S*** happens even to a good roster. Obj was supposed to be great and then started complaining of injuries so he sucked. Jarvis Landry says he was hurt and battled injuries. Jedrick Wills struggled Conklin went down. Baker got hurt and apparently we didn't have an acceptable backup.

WSS

gumby73

@westside-steve said:

I did read that the league is aggressively seeking an indefinite suspension but it was some bullshit Facebook Sports thing so I'm assuming somebody is talking out his or her ass.

tNFLPA/NFL may have dipped their toes into the suspension testing waters? (but, we never get the real names of whom/with?)

Last Thursday..

NFL insider Josina Anderson reported..

“I’m told there’ve been recent attempts by the NFL, the NFLPA & Deshaun Watson’s advisors to negotiate a discipline settlement,” NFL insider Josina Anderson reported Thursday. “However talks involving a potential number of games missed ‘fell apart’ not being on the same page. As of now, process moves forward, per league sources.”

https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/deshaun-watson-discipline-talks-with-nfl-nflpa-fell-apart/

and here we are, Mrs Robinson...

Bob806

@gumby73 said:

tNFLPA/NFL may have dipped their toes into the suspension testing waters? (but, we never get the real names of whom/with?)

Last Thursday..

NFL insider Josina Anderson reported..

“I’m told there’ve been recent attempts by the NFL, the NFLPA & Deshaun Watson’s advisors to negotiate a discipline settlement,” NFL insider Josina Anderson reported Thursday. “However talks involving a potential number of games missed ‘fell apart’ not being on the same page. As of now, process moves forward, per league sources.”

https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/deshaun-watson-discipline-talks-with-nfl-nflpa-fell-apart/

and here we are, Mrs Robinson...

Just my 2 cents, but there is a clause stating the NFL owners should be held to a "higher standard" than the players.

Robert Kraft wasn't punished for solicitation. DW wasn't even charged with solicitation. Hmm....

So the NFLPA has that argument and will surely win it. So how does Robinson, and eventually Goodell hand out a punishment? This story is never going to end I fear. The media will never let it die, especially if DW gets less than a 1 year suspension.

PS-Presque Isle, Michigan is awesome.

gumby73

@westside-steve said:

It's been a good roster for a while. S*** happens even to a good roster. Obj was supposed to be great and then started complaining of injuries so he sucked. Jarvis Landry says he was hurt and battled injuries. Jedrick Wills struggled Conklin went down. Baker got hurt and apparently we didn't have an acceptable backup.

WSS

Bingo! ^^^...(Chris Hubbard went out for the year in week 1 also/ with Wills down already in week 1)

and the very same-thing could happen to Tua at Miami or the Philly Eagles QB Jalen Hurts, now recipients of adding good weapons this off-season... Solid moves by both GM's... clarity at QB helps..

It might have been different to see Baker? ? with some non-injury roster luck including himself...

Westside Steve

@bob806 said:

Just my 2 cents, but there is a clause stating the NFL owners should be held to a "higher standard" than the players.

Robert Kraft wasn't punished for solicitation. DW wasn't even charged with solicitation. Hmm....

So the NFLPA has that argument and will surely win it. So how does Robinson, and eventually Goodell hand out a punishment? This story is never going to end I fear. The media will never let it die, especially if DW gets less than a 1 year suspension.

PS-Presque Isle, Michigan is awesome.

Bob Kraft was charged with solicitation but not convicted. Something about bogus video evidence being thrown out. And I'm not aware of even one woman complaining. Bob Kraft was at a massage parlor/ cat house. So legally he broke no law nor was he accused of harassing any woman. Even if we are jealous of the Patriots success. ?

He was not online trolling for women some of which might be hookers and some of which might not. And there's no evidence but I would guess part of the thrill was shocking at least a few of them when they showed up.

WSS

Bob806

@westside-steve said:

Bob Kraft was charged with solicitation but not convicted. Something about bogus video evidence being thrown out. And I'm not aware of even one woman complaining. Bob Kraft was at a massage parlor/ cat house. He was not online trolling for women some of which might be hookers and some of which might not. Even if we are jealous of the Patriots success. ?

WSS

True. But precedent is precedent.

In the legal world, precedent is huge.

Westside Steve

@bob806 said:

True. But precedent is precedent.

In the legal world, precedent is huge.

I just edited that remark that I made I don't know if it makes any difference. But what precedent are we talkin about?

WSS

Bob806

@westside-steve said:

I just edited that remark that I made I don't know if it makes any difference. But what precedent are we talkin about?

WSS

Kraft wasn't punished at all, so I think that's huge. The NFL made a bed that is getting very uncomfortable- if they punish DW then it's going to be appealed based on the lack of punishment for Kraft.

gumby73

@bob806 said:

Just my 2 cents, but there is a clause stating the NFL owners should be held to a "higher standard" than the players.

Robert Kraft wasn't punished for solicitation. DW wasn't even charged with solicitation. Hmm....

This might be the dumbest claim a nfl legal attorney could agree upon to put into their own conduct policy... how it plays out? IDK.. shield or a twisted shield?

none of these owners/ are the face of a QB, we actually see watching a PRO-fessional football game

@bob806 said:

So how does Robinson, and eventually Goodell hand out a punishment? This story is never going to end I fear.

IMO...Roger won't... defers to the next fired suit

@bob806 said:

PS-Presque Isle, Michigan is awesome.

It's great July air up there.. I seriously can't wait...Carolina's has been high 90's & humid as __ __ __ __

mjp28

@korsou-dawg said:

You use very resentful words when you describe him, which is your prerogative. Honest question though: why?

He used the services of seemingly cheap and sleazy masseuses. Is that enough to be so resentful? Do you know any of them personally? Is it getting tugs and paying for them? It seems likely tugs were offered to him, which I believe makes it a crime committed by the masseuse under Texas law. If there was any evidence he solicited them, the criminal cases against him wouldn't have been thrown out. Historically, juries in the south are quite gung ho about convicting black men, so there must really be no shred of evidence.

None of the actual facts known offend me, nor do they prevent my from wanting him on the team. If anything, I am seeing him more and more as a victim of a questionable legal system, and media witch hunt. My major gripe with him at this point is that he wasn't smart enough to do things 'right.' He should have gotten his massages from actual sports massage professionals. I am sure he would have been able to find one both qualified and attractive, if these were both requirements. And for tugs or equivalent I am sure Texas or neighboring states have their Heidi Fleiss who could offer those services discretely, and by women highly unlikely to get second thoughts about providing them.

Some good points involving the rather dumb sleezeball DW. If you want an occasional massage even visit a brothel fine -but- what he got involved in and he's a top 5 QB in the NFL is just plain stu-pid.

And now our beloved Cleveland BROWNS are in the middle of this daily sports page blow-by-blow (tic) mess.

And we fans get a front row seat on what happens next. Deshaun Cosby all the way. The only difference Cos had 60+ women accusing him. Oh boy.

mjp28

@bob806 said:

Just my 2 cents, but there is a clause stating the NFL owners should be held to a "higher standard" than the players.

Robert Kraft wasn't punished for solicitation. DW wasn't even charged with solicitation. Hmm....

So the NFLPA has that argument and will surely win it. So how does Robinson, and eventually Goodell hand out a punishment? This story is never going to end I fear. The media will never let it die, especially if DW gets less than a 1 year suspension.

PS-Presque Isle, Michigan is awesome.

Does anyone here remember Kraft's statement concerning seeing a patriot missile up close and having female reporters in the locker rooms ? It was about letting female reporters inside the locker rooms......which BTW I was opposed to, it's a men's locker room......but Kraft made an ass of himself anyway.

And Kraft was giggling like a 6th grade kid when he said it.

YES this is the same guy we're talking about now, he hasn't changed one bit regardless of the joke or situation.