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★ Will this country  "EVER"  come back to one country  ?  Or not.    JUNE 24, 2022.   The Atlantic. ★

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @mjp28 said:

    The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot.

    Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. 

    LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

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    @hoorta said:

    LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

    No better than Redstate.

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      @hoorta said:

      LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

      No better than Redstate.

      WSS 

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      @westside-steve said:

      No better than Redstate, a.k.a. Ostrich Times or Monkey Shines (??)

      WSS 

      FIFY!

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        @westside-steve said:

        No better than Redstate, a.k.a. Ostrich Times or Monkey Shines (??)

        WSS 

        FIFY!

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        @texasag1969 said:

        FIFY!

        Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

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          But (back to the OP)no the country will probably not get much better. Mass media only exaggerates the same kind of s*** that's been going on since the revolution and before. And it's just the natural progression that no country stays on top forever. Sure the Democrats have greased the skids but a lot of people think history began 25 years ago. Hell probably even less.

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            @mjp28 said:

            The Facebook person that had this article posted is a Democrat and really dislikes Trump.....a lot.

            Always a good idea to consider the sources in judging anything. 

            LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

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            DieHardBrownsFan1D DieHardBrownsFan1 wrote on last edited by
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            @hoorta said:

            LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

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              @texasag1969 said:

              FIFY!

              Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

              WSS

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              @westside-steve said:

              Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

              WSS

              That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

              Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

              Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

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                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                Yeah, political division is a problem in this country... And it started with Obamao!

                Yeah, racial tensions are an issue... And that's because of Obamao! (not so subtile)

                There's a lot of political hate in this country.... And the Demonratz started it!

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                  Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country 

                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                      • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                        Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country 

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                        @mld-woody said:

                        Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country 

                        no, that's stupid. Give him all the states he won outright, then give him all the states he would have won except for voter fraud.

                           He won't miss the other states, aren't that many.

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                          Ohio voted for trump.  We get about 80 percent of the country.  Better move!

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                            @westside-steve said:

                            Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

                            WSS

                            That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

                            Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

                            Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

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                            @mld-woody said:

                            That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

                            Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

                            Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

                            Which actually makes them more Despicable than Ammoland. At least with them you know it's a right wing yeehaw God Bless America site. Nyt pretends to be an impartial news Outlet.

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                                @westside-steve said:

                                Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

                                WSS

                                That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

                                Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

                                Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

                                Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

                                Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

                                I agree with Steve. The only real difference between those publications is the level of education they are targeting. Pretty much all legacy media is struggling because there has been increasing pressure to publish increasingly narrow, approved narratives. I personally first noticed it during Obama's presidency with the infamous "fist bump or terrorist fist-jab?" headline. Unfortunately, legacy media struggled with the spread of social media, and they followed the Fox News playbook to even greater success from 2016 on.

                                The author of the article brings up legitimate points, but it's annoying to try and find them when most of this excerpt is spent fearmongering about Trump and the people who support him. Independent media is the way to go. For example, this article Peter Zeihan wrote 4 years ago, comes to similar conclusions without having to blame the people who don't agree with him. 

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                                  https://redstate.com/levon/2022/07/02/wwii-veteran-breaks-down-in-tears-the-things-we-fought-for-the-boys-that-died-for-it-its-all-gone-down-the-drain-n587731

                                  WWII Veteran Breaks Down in Tears: 'The Things We Fought For, The Boys That Died for It, It's All Gone Down the Drain'

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                                    @mld-woody said:

                                    That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

                                    Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

                                    Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

                                    I agree with Steve. The only real difference between those publications is the level of education they are targeting. Pretty much all legacy media is struggling because there has been increasing pressure to publish increasingly narrow, approved narratives. I personally first noticed it during Obama's presidency with the infamous "fist bump or terrorist fist-jab?" headline. Unfortunately, legacy media struggled with the spread of social media, and they followed the Fox News playbook to even greater success from 2016 on.

                                    The author of the article brings up legitimate points, but it's annoying to try and find them when most of this excerpt is spent fearmongering about Trump and the people who support him. Independent media is the way to go. For example, this article Peter Zeihan wrote 4 years ago, comes to similar conclusions without having to blame the people who don't agree with him. 

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                                    @vaportrail said:

                                    I agree with Steve. The only real difference between those publications is the level of education they are targeting. Pretty much all legacy media is struggling because there has been increasing pressure to publish increasingly narrow, approved narratives. I personally first noticed it during Obama's presidency with the infamous "fist bump or terrorist fist-jab?" headline. Unfortunately, legacy media struggled with the spread of social media, and they followed the Fox News playbook to even greater success from 2016 on.

                                    The author of the article brings up legitimate points, but it's annoying to try and find them when most of this excerpt is spent fearmongering about Trump and the people who support him. Independent media is the way to go. For example, this article Peter Zeihan wrote 4 years ago, comes to similar conclusions without having to blame the people who don't agree with him. 

                                    I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). 

                                    I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. 

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                                      @vaportrail said:

                                      I agree with Steve. The only real difference between those publications is the level of education they are targeting. Pretty much all legacy media is struggling because there has been increasing pressure to publish increasingly narrow, approved narratives. I personally first noticed it during Obama's presidency with the infamous "fist bump or terrorist fist-jab?" headline. Unfortunately, legacy media struggled with the spread of social media, and they followed the Fox News playbook to even greater success from 2016 on.

                                      The author of the article brings up legitimate points, but it's annoying to try and find them when most of this excerpt is spent fearmongering about Trump and the people who support him. Independent media is the way to go. For example, this article Peter Zeihan wrote 4 years ago, comes to similar conclusions without having to blame the people who don't agree with him. 

                                      I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). 

                                      I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. 

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). 

                                      I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. 

                                      Getting any pussy?  

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). 

                                        I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. 

                                        Getting any pussy?  

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                                        @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

                                        Getting any pussy?  

                                        only when he changes costumes....

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country 

                                          no, that's stupid. Give him all the states he won outright, then give him all the states he would have won except for voter fraud.

                                             He won't miss the other states, aren't that many.

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                                          @calfoxwc said:

                                          no, that's stupid. Give him all the states he won outright, then give him all the states he would have won except for voter fraud.

                                             He won't miss the other states, aren't that many.

                                          And therein lies your whole problem. Neither courts nor DOJ nor even that crazy Sydney now ever found the voter fraud it would take to even make one of those states close to being won by Trump. Evidence never supported it and despite all your crazy posts, never will. You are now a part of his unconstitutional attempt to remain in power because he really is so nuts he can't face being a loser. Stop participating in that delusion and get yourself back to your oath to the Constitution, an oath he has never even attempted to uphold his entire life.

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