Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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Kraft NOT 60 women offended.
watson YES 60 women offended.
kraft - actual prostitutes,,,,,
watson - massotherapists, etc.
kraft - long pattern of behavior NO
watson - long pattern of behavior YES
Kraft NOT 60 women offended.
watson YES 60 women
offended.kraft - actual prostitutes,,,,,
watson - massotherapists, etc.
kraft - long pattern of behavior NO
watson - long pattern of behavior YES
Pure speculation on your part Cal... RE: Kraft only got caught once. I'll posit old Bobbie was a lot more discreet when he went to a sex shop.
You can take the truly "offended" women down to the 24 range. And they were only "offended" to the extent they (along with Busbee) were expecting a big fat payday from their Sugar Daddy. If you're keeping score, it's down to the Final Four.
Doesn't make Watson's behavior right, but then again your morality is mighty damn selective.
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Kraft NOT 60 women offended.
watson YES 60 women
offended.kraft - actual prostitutes,,,,,
watson - massotherapists, etc.
kraft - long pattern of behavior NO
watson - long pattern of behavior YES
Pure speculation on your part Cal... RE: Kraft only got caught once. I'll posit old Bobbie was a lot more discreet when he went to a sex shop.
You can take the truly "offended" women down to the 24 range. And they were only "offended" to the extent they (along with Busbee) were expecting a big fat payday from their Sugar Daddy. If you're keeping score, it's down to the Final Four.
Doesn't make Watson's behavior right, but then again your morality is mighty damn selective.
Pure speculation on your part Cal... RE: Kraft only got caught once. I'll posit old Bobbie was a lot more discreet when he went to a sex shop.
You can take the truly "offended" women down to the 24 range. And they were only "offended" to the extent they (along with Busbee) were expecting a big fat payday from their Sugar Daddy. If you're keeping score, it's down to the Final Four.
Doesn't make Watson's behavior right, but then again your morality is mighty damn selective.
I could care less if he got laid or not... It's just the way he goes about it is,,, well... weird... And how often is a bit... Unusual... I guess if he could just be less weird and less public about it... No one would care so much...
I wish the Browns had not pidgeon holed themselves into this embarrassing mess... My gut feeling says it all ends poorly...
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I'm hoping Deshaun is freed from this harassment and starts on game one. And wins a super bowl for the Browns.
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When is Madam Justice supposed to give her suggestion?
I thought I heard by next Monday the 11th?
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Kraft NOT 60 women offended.
watson YES 60 women
offended.kraft - actual prostitutes,,,,,
watson - massotherapists, etc.
kraft - long pattern of behavior NO
watson - long pattern of behavior YES
Pure speculation on your part Cal... RE: Kraft only got caught once. I'll posit old Bobbie was a lot more discreet when he went to a sex shop.
You can take the truly "offended" women down to the 24 range. And they were only "offended" to the extent they (along with Busbee) were expecting a big fat payday from their Sugar Daddy. If you're keeping score, it's down to the Final Four.
Doesn't make Watson's behavior right, but then again your morality is mighty damn selective.
Pure speculation on your part Cal... RE: Kraft only got caught once. I'll posit old Bobbie was a lot more discreet when he went to a sex shop. You can take the truly "offended" women down to the 24 range. And they were only "offended" to the extent they (along with Busbee) were expecting a big fat payday from their Sugar Daddy. If you're keeping score, it's down to the Final Four. Doesn't make Watson's behavior right, but then again your morality is mighty damn selective.
THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
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Only thing I hope for at this point is an indefinite suspension for at least a year.
Baker Mayfield starts and wins us a Superbowl. Winning cures all ills and he's extended 5 or 6 years long term.
The Browns then ship off DickShawn Watson and his contract to another QB starved team for a couple of first rounders after his mess settles down some.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I don't think the Robert Kraft argument holds water simply because there was not one single complaint made against him for gross sexual imposition. If solicitation were at the core then Watson has at the very least 60 counts of it that have been overlooked.
Apples to oranges.
WSS
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Kraft repeated behavior ( unknown)
Kraft criminal charges filed caught on tape.
DeShawn, up to 60 ( alleged cases)
(However law enforcement says there's nothing to see here.)
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Only thing I hope for at this point is an indefinite suspension for at least a year.
Baker Mayfield starts and wins us a Superbowl. Winning cures all ills and he's extended 5 or 6 years long term.
The Browns then ship off DickShawn Watson and his contract to another QB starved team for a couple of first rounders after his mess settles down some.
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Hate to say I told you folks so, but that is exactly what @sdbacker80 and I have been doing.
? Not to interrupt your chest pounding parade; but you 2 guys have been blaming the media for everything. Now that they're reporting possibilities of a lesser suspension - look who wants us hanging on their every word all of a sudden.
Nobody disputes Watson's talent as a QB. I actually wanted us to draft Watson back when our 1-15 record put him right on our doorstep (before the off the field nightmare unfolded). A lot of people conveniently forget this today when they have to make a villain out of the QB the Browns drafted 1st overall the next year.
Anyway, Watson played for the same kind of NFL owner as Haslam (so just like Baker) he only has 1 playoff win to show for his first 4 years in the NFL. The last year Watson played, his team had a 4-12 record despite the fact he finished the year with the 2nd highest passer rating in the NFL with a rating of 112.4 (only behind Aaron Rodgers). I think he did as well as he could under the circumstances; but he didn't finish there as a wins and losses football savior. His cap hit here in the next few years could/will cost us the ability to keep some productive vets aside from what injuries can do while we forfeit 2 more years of 1st round picks. We'll see how easy it is to play QB all of a sudden on Haslam's franchise. That said, I still would have rather brought Watson here in 2017 under the rookie salary cap and kept all of our important picks the next few years.
? Not to interrupt your chest pounding parade; but you 2 guys have been blaming the media for everything. Now that they're reporting possibilities of a lesser suspension - look who wants us hanging on their every word all of a sudden.
Nobody disputes Watson's talent as a QB. I actually wanted us to draft Watson back when our 1-15 record put him right on our doorstep (before the off the field nightmare unfolded). A lot of people conveniently forget this today when they have to make a villain out of the QB the Browns drafted 1st overall the next year.
Anyway, Watson played for the same kind of NFL owner as Haslam (so just like Baker) he only has 1 playoff win to show for his first 4 years in the NFL. The last year Watson played, his team had a 4-12 record despite the fact he finished the year with the 2nd highest passer rating in the NFL with a rating of 112.4 (only behind Aaron Rodgers). I think he did as well as he could under the circumstances; but he didn't finish there as a wins and losses football savior. His cap hit here in the next few years could/will cost us the ability to keep some productive vets aside from what injuries can do while we forfeit 2 more years of 1st round picks. We'll see how easy it is to play QB all of a sudden on Haslam's franchise. That said, I still would have rather brought Watson here in 2017 under the rookie salary cap and kept all of our important picks the next few years.
Good stuff. I largely agree with what you are saying.
Let me give you a high level timeline of the DW acquisition here on the board. When the deal was first announced, the sentiment was split roughly 50-50. The ladies who love Baker got their Nickers in a twist (pun intended). The other half was looking forward to the on field improvement (the potential for which Tia presented with one of his trademark video reviews), while having some reservations about DW off-field.
As time went on, the sentiment turned ever more negative. Indeed, it is my perception that this was caused by a relentless barrage of hysterically negative press. I see this as a sign of the times. Most of the media is no longer about presenting facts as they should, but rather opinions based on their morality. And everyone who disagrees is a fascist (oh, the irony), but I digress.
Then the NYT publishes an article, and this place turns into The View Board, menstruation sub-forum. Which is astonishing, considering that the only newsworthy part of that article was that the Texans actively supported DW in his massage undertakings, and they were subsequently added to the civil suits. This probably helped speed up the settlements, and is likely to factor positively into the suspension.
Only a few members kept their heads cool and tried to stick to the limited facts known, as opposed to moral judgements based on assumptions. Hope all this talk about morality comes to an end soon, and we start focussing on performance on field. I am looking forward to our play with DW under center, which is likely to be sooner than most expected. I still look favorable on the trade for the same reason. -
? Not to interrupt your chest pounding parade; but you 2 guys have been blaming the media for everything. Now that they're reporting possibilities of a lesser suspension - look who wants us hanging on their every word all of a sudden.
Nobody disputes Watson's talent as a QB. I actually wanted us to draft Watson back when our 1-15 record put him right on our doorstep (before the off the field nightmare unfolded). A lot of people conveniently forget this today when they have to make a villain out of the QB the Browns drafted 1st overall the next year.
Anyway, Watson played for the same kind of NFL owner as Haslam (so just like Baker) he only has 1 playoff win to show for his first 4 years in the NFL. The last year Watson played, his team had a 4-12 record despite the fact he finished the year with the 2nd highest passer rating in the NFL with a rating of 112.4 (only behind Aaron Rodgers). I think he did as well as he could under the circumstances; but he didn't finish there as a wins and losses football savior. His cap hit here in the next few years could/will cost us the ability to keep some productive vets aside from what injuries can do while we forfeit 2 more years of 1st round picks. We'll see how easy it is to play QB all of a sudden on Haslam's franchise. That said, I still would have rather brought Watson here in 2017 under the rookie salary cap and kept all of our important picks the next few years.
Good stuff. I largely agree with what you are saying.
Let me give you a high level timeline of the DW acquisition here on the board. When the deal was first announced, the sentiment was split roughly 50-50. The ladies who love Baker got their Nickers in a twist (pun intended). The other half was looking forward to the on field improvement (the potential for which Tia presented with one of his trademark video reviews), while having some reservations about DW off-field.
As time went on, the sentiment turned ever more negative. Indeed, it is my perception that this was caused by a relentless barrage of hysterically negative press. I see this as a sign of the times. Most of the media is no longer about presenting facts as they should, but rather opinions based on their morality. And everyone who disagrees is a fascist (oh, the irony), but I digress.
Then the NYT publishes an article, and this place turns into The View Board, menstruation sub-forum. Which is astonishing, considering that the only newsworthy part of that article was that the Texans actively supported DW in his massage undertakings, and they were subsequently added to the civil suits. This probably helped speed up the settlements, and is likely to factor positively into the suspension.
Only a few members kept their heads cool and tried to stick to the limited facts known, as opposed to moral judgements based on assumptions. Hope all this talk about morality comes to an end soon, and we start focussing on performance on field. I am looking forward to our play with DW under center, which is likely to be sooner than most expected. I still look favorable on the trade for the same reason.Good stuff. I largely agree with what you are saying.
Let me give you a high level timeline of the DW acquisition here on the board. When the deal was first announced, the sentiment was split roughly 50-50. The ladies who love Baker got their Nickers in a twist (pun intended). The other half was looking forward to the on field improvement (the potential for which Tia presented with one of his trademark video reviews), while having some reservations about DW off-field.
As time went on, the sentiment turned ever more negative. Indeed, it is my perception that this was caused by a relentless barrage of hysterically negative press. I see this as a sign of the times. Most of the media is no longer about presenting facts as they should, but rather opinions based on their morality. And everyone who disagrees is a fascist (oh, the irony), but I digress.
Then the NYT publishes an article, and this place turns into The View Board, menstruation sub-forum. Which is astonishing, considering that the only newsworthy part of that article was that the Texans actively supported DW in his massage undertakings, and they were subsequently added to the civil suits. This probably helped speed up the settlements, and is likely to factor positively into the suspension.
Only a few members kept their heads cool and tried to stick to the limited facts known, as opposed to moral judgements based on assumptions. Hope all this talk about morality comes to an end soon, and we start focussing on performance on field. I am looking forward to our play with DW under center, which is likely to be sooner than most expected. I still look favorable on the trade for the same reason.Not to sound weird but this was Beautifully put including the Menstruation sub form.
Bravo!!!
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Good stuff. I largely agree with what you are saying.
Let me give you a high level timeline of the DW acquisition here on the board. When the deal was first announced, the sentiment was split roughly 50-50. The ladies who love Baker got their Nickers in a twist (pun intended). The other half was looking forward to the on field improvement (the potential for which Tia presented with one of his trademark video reviews), while having some reservations about DW off-field.
As time went on, the sentiment turned ever more negative. Indeed, it is my perception that this was caused by a relentless barrage of hysterically negative press. I see this as a sign of the times. Most of the media is no longer about presenting facts as they should, but rather opinions based on their morality. And everyone who disagrees is a fascist (oh, the irony), but I digress.
Then the NYT publishes an article, and this place turns into The View Board, menstruation sub-forum. Which is astonishing, considering that the only newsworthy part of that article was that the Texans actively supported DW in his massage undertakings, and they were subsequently added to the civil suits. This probably helped speed up the settlements, and is likely to factor positively into the suspension.
Only a few members kept their heads cool and tried to stick to the limited facts known, as opposed to moral judgements based on assumptions. Hope all this talk about morality comes to an end soon, and we start focussing on performance on field. I am looking forward to our play with DW under center, which is likely to be sooner than most expected. I still look favorable on the trade for the same reason.Not to sound weird but this was Beautifully put including the Menstruation sub form.
Bravo!!!
Not to sound weird but this was Beautifully put including the Menstruation sub form.
Bravo!!!
? See - we need this kind of back and forth during the doldrums of summer...
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Not to sound weird but this was Beautifully put including the Menstruation sub form.
Bravo!!!
? See - we need this kind of back and forth during the doldrums of summer...
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Pure speculation on your part Cal... RE: Kraft only got caught once. I'll posit old Bobbie was a lot more discreet when he went to a sex shop. You can take the truly "offended" women down to the 24 range. And they were only "offended" to the extent they (along with Busbee) were expecting a big fat payday from their Sugar Daddy. If you're keeping score, it's down to the Final Four. Doesn't make Watson's behavior right, but then again your morality is mighty damn selective.
THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Only thing I hope for at this point is an indefinite suspension for at least a year.
2) Baker Mayfield starts and wins us a Superbowl. Winning cures all ills and he's extended 5 or 6 years long term.
3) The Browns then ship off DickShawn Watson and his contract to another QB starved team for a couple of first rounders after his mess settles down some.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
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THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Only thing I hope for at this point is an indefinite suspension for at least a year.
2) Baker Mayfield starts and wins us a Superbowl. Winning cures all ills and he's extended 5 or 6 years long term.
3) The Browns then ship off DickShawn Watson and his contract to another QB starved team for a couple of first rounders after his mess settles down some.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Not to mention Jimmy Haslam set the bar high with his ridiculous contract.
I’m sure the other NFL owners don’t think very highly of our resident Hick.
Jimmah seems destined to make the Browns the laughing stock of the league once again.
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THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Only thing I hope for at this point is an indefinite suspension for at least a year.
2) Baker Mayfield starts and wins us a Superbowl. Winning cures all ills and he's extended 5 or 6 years long term.
3) The Browns then ship off DickShawn Watson and his contract to another QB starved team for a couple of first rounders after his mess settles down some.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
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Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
Right on!
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Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
So you roll with Baker in 2022?
A rookie in 2023? (And trade three 1st round picks to move up!!!)
Hold your breath in 2024 that the rookie panned out?
Meanwhile Chubb, Ward, Garrett and Co get older or demand trades to super bowl contending teams.
Big picture thinking.
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Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
First off Steve, it won't be for 20 years. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my personal expiration date will be long before that.... The residual Watson stink will have dissipated long before that too...
Here's my thinking on the subject... We gave Baker away for a sack of seeds. Let's hope Tia's screen shots he posted a couple months ago with the circles and arrows shows why that's the case. Berry and Stefanski have basically staked their careers with the viewpoint that's the case... Teams have figured Baker out.
So if we had muddled through 2022 with a so-so Baker to a 9-8 record, then what? Take another spin at the QB craps table in 2023? Baker- Darnold- Allen- Rosen- Jackson... You may find this link interesting.. Every NFL QB drafted in forever. http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb Meanwhile, our studs like Garrett and Ward are at least two years older. Just like the Rams pushing all their chips in getting Stafford (who was wasted on the Lions) the Browns have done the same. Looking at our division, anyone who thinks Baker > Burrow has an acute case of homer-itis. Of course, no guarantees. Even with QBs like Mahomes and Rodgers you need some luck on the way to the Promised land. Yeah, and I agree with you- our potential road there is going to be led following the trail of an ethical stink bomb.
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