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  • @mld-woody said:

    And again, no good answers to why this isn't an issue in other countries. Those countries have rap, video games, social media, youth, etc. This is just a problem for us. 

    But admitting that would mean not jerking yourself off over American exceptionalism so we'll never get anywhere. More important for some people to be "real American patriots" than to try and reduce the amount their fellow Americans get killed by guns 

    Fucking. Pathetic.

    Just leave bird girl.

    Real America hates your deceit and disrespect.

    @hammertime said:

    Just leave bird girl.

    Real America hates your deceit and disrespect.

    yes, woodpecker. you want to know what to do about the violence of these screwed up young people committing violent crimes (yes, using guns) ?

    get a bunch of people who think and vote and whine and bitch like you do, and stand in front of a big mirror.

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  • And again, no good answers to why this isn't an issue in other countries. Those countries have rap, video games, social media, youth, etc. This is just a problem for us. 

    But admitting that would mean not jerking yourself off over American exceptionalism so we'll never get anywhere. More important for some people to be "real American patriots" than to try and reduce the amount their fellow Americans get killed by guns 

    Fucking. Pathetic.

    @mld-woody said:

    And again, no good answers to why this isn't an issue in other countries. Those countries have rap, video games, social media, youth, etc. This is just a problem for us. 

    But admitting that would mean not jerking yourself off over American exceptionalism so we'll never get anywhere. More important for some people to be "real American patriots" than to try and reduce the amount their fellow Americans get killed by guns 

    Fucking. Pathetic.

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  • And again, no good answers to why this isn't an issue in other countries. Those countries have rap, video games, social media, youth, etc. This is just a problem for us. 

    But admitting that would mean not jerking yourself off over American exceptionalism so we'll never get anywhere. More important for some people to be "real American patriots" than to try and reduce the amount their fellow Americans get killed by guns 

    Fucking. Pathetic.

    @mld-woody said:

    And again, no good answers to why this isn't an issue in other countries. Those countries have rap, video games, social media, youth, etc. This is just a problem for us. 

    But admitting that would mean not jerking yourself off over American exceptionalism so we'll never get anywhere. More important for some people to be "real American patriots" than to try and reduce the amount their fellow Americans get killed by guns 

    Fucking. Pathetic.

    Sacramento mass shooting came soon after Newsom signed 2 more gun laws
  • "We have to look at the parents," Williams told host Neil Cavuto. "They knew he had suffered and tried to commit suicide. And to go and buy guns with your son who has already tried to commit suicide, to go and buy guns with your son who has threatened family members to the point where you had to take knives out of the house, something is very troubling there. And that’s going to have to be a part of this investigation also."

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/highland-park-shooting-something-troubling-suspects-parents-ted-williams

  • And again, no good answers to why this isn't an issue in other countries. Those countries have rap, video games, social media, youth, etc. This is just a problem for us. 

    But admitting that would mean not jerking yourself off over American exceptionalism so we'll never get anywhere. More important for some people to be "real American patriots" than to try and reduce the amount their fellow Americans get killed by guns 

    Fucking. Pathetic.

    @mld-woody said:

    And again, no good answers to why this isn't an issue in other countries. Those countries have rap, video games, social media, youth, etc. This is just a problem for us. 

    But admitting that would mean not jerking yourself off over American exceptionalism so we'll never get anywhere. More important for some people to be "real American patriots" than to try and reduce the amount their fellow Americans get killed by guns 

    Fucking. Pathetic.

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  • N Neo

    @canton-dawg said:

    No, more gun laws.

    Can’t you see how good they’re working?

    So what's your solution? We can't get every nut job that slips through the cracks. All I hear  from both sides is how we need stricter gun laws, and the other side says the gun laws are stupid and violate the 2nd amendment. Nobody ever has anything constructive to say just bickering. So again, what can be done? 

    @neo said:

    So what's your solution? We can't get every nut job that slips through the cracks. All I hear  from both sides is how we need stricter gun laws, and the other side says the gun laws are stupid and violate the 2nd amendment. Nobody ever has anything constructive to say just bickering. So again, what can be done? 

    So if you had to guess, how much do you think a gun ban would reduce the number of shootings in this country?  100%? 50%?  25%?  I assume you have some idea of it's effectiveness since you seem to be advocating for it.

    Would it be comparable to the effectiveness of a complete ban on illict drugs?  

  • @neo said:

    So what's your solution? We can't get every nut job that slips through the cracks. All I hear  from both sides is how we need stricter gun laws, and the other side says the gun laws are stupid and violate the 2nd amendment. Nobody ever has anything constructive to say just bickering. So again, what can be done? 

    So if you had to guess, how much do you think a gun ban would reduce the number of shootings in this country?  100%? 50%?  25%?  I assume you have some idea of it's effectiveness since you seem to be advocating for it.

    Would it be comparable to the effectiveness of a complete ban on illict drugs?  

    @htownbrown said:

    So if you had to guess, how much do you think a gun ban would reduce the number of shootings in this country?  100%? 50%?  25%?  I assume you have some idea of it's effectiveness since you seem to be advocating for it.

    Would it be comparable to the effectiveness of a complete ban on illict drugs?  

    1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?

    2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.

    The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on. The problem is one side is screaming gun control, the other is screaming 2nd amendment and they are coming to take you guns. There is no middle ground and neither side is willing to budge or listen to the other. I have my own ideas I think would help immensely with the problem but I'm not going to share them.

  • N Neo

    @htownbrown said:

    So if you had to guess, how much do you think a gun ban would reduce the number of shootings in this country?  100%? 50%?  25%?  I assume you have some idea of it's effectiveness since you seem to be advocating for it.

    Would it be comparable to the effectiveness of a complete ban on illict drugs?  

    1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?

    2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.

    The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on. The problem is one side is screaming gun control, the other is screaming 2nd amendment and they are coming to take you guns. There is no middle ground and neither side is willing to budge or listen to the other. I have my own ideas I think would help immensely with the problem but I'm not going to share them.

    @neo said:

    1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?

    2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.

    The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on. The problem is one side is screaming gun control, the other is screaming 2nd amendment and they are coming to take you guns. There is no middle ground and neither side is willing to budge or listen to the other. I have my own ideas I think would help immensely with the problem but I'm not going to share them.

    You can pass 1.000,000  gun laws but if the criminals do not abide by them they are useless.

  • Democrats want your guns.  Don’t kid yourself that it’s just a few common sense laws.

    Show me any common sense from the democrats and pretty sure they’re hiding something else.

  • N Neo

    @htownbrown said:

    So if you had to guess, how much do you think a gun ban would reduce the number of shootings in this country?  100%? 50%?  25%?  I assume you have some idea of it's effectiveness since you seem to be advocating for it.

    Would it be comparable to the effectiveness of a complete ban on illict drugs?  

    1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?

    2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.

    The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on. The problem is one side is screaming gun control, the other is screaming 2nd amendment and they are coming to take you guns. There is no middle ground and neither side is willing to budge or listen to the other. I have my own ideas I think would help immensely with the problem but I'm not going to share them.

    @neo said:

    1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?

    Fair enough, it seemed like that's where you were heading.

    2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.

    This is certainly true.

    The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on. 

    This is where effectiveness matters.  No one has produced anything of substance other than an outright ban.  The only thing that will do is create more criminals, just like the drug wars have.  

    If you legalized heroine today, your not going to have 3x as many people slumped over at the bus stops tomorrow morning.  The proclivity is already there regardless of the law that has banned it or it's not there at all.  Proclivity isn't influenced by Congress, unless your talking about white collar crimes perhaps.  Unless you want to address the "WHY", you're just farting into the wind.

  • https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-are-mass-shooters-getting-younger-and-deadlier-experts-have-theories/ar-AAZiofm?li=BBnb7Kz

    If you believe anything from this article, you have to ask yourselves why young, traditionally white males, would be so angry.  And to that note, I'd have to ask you what movement in all of western societies DOESN'T target them?  At least in the media, they are responsible for almost everything evil.

    If your response is simply, "Boo Hoo Whiteboys", then you're not serious about solving the issue of mass shootings.  It's certainly not the only problem and there's no excuse for violent random retaliation, but it's a rather obvious influence.

  • @neo said:

    1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?

    2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.

    The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on. The problem is one side is screaming gun control, the other is screaming 2nd amendment and they are coming to take you guns. There is no middle ground and neither side is willing to budge or listen to the other. I have my own ideas I think would help immensely with the problem but I'm not going to share them.

    You can pass 1.000,000  gun laws but if the criminals do not abide by them they are useless.

    @vambo said:

    You can pass 1.000,000  gun laws but if the criminals do not abide by them they are useless.

    Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?

  • N Neo

    @vambo said:

    You can pass 1.000,000  gun laws but if the criminals do not abide by them they are useless.

    Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?

    @neo said:

    Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?

    And what would those be?

  • N Neo

    @vambo said:

    You can pass 1.000,000  gun laws but if the criminals do not abide by them they are useless.

    Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?

    @neo said:

    Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?

    WTF you talking about?

  • N Neo

    @vambo said:

    You can pass 1.000,000  gun laws but if the criminals do not abide by them they are useless.

    Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?

    @neo said:

    Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?

    Like what? give some examples.

  • @neo said:

    Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?

    Like what? give some examples.

    @vambo said:

    Like what? give some examples.

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    WTF you talking about?

    @browns149 said:

    And what would those be?

    I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining. 

    If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.

    EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.

  • N Neo

    @vambo said:

    Like what? give some examples.

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    WTF you talking about?

    @browns149 said:

    And what would those be?

    I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining. 

    If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.

    EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.

    @neo said:

    I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining. 

    If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.

    EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.

    Any crime? 

  • @neo said:

    I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining. 

    If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.

    EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.

    Any crime? 

    @browns149 said:

    Any crime? 

    Yes. The idea is to target would-be criminals before they've actually done anything. In that stage where they think they want to try something and end up getting busted. Red flag goes up, they investigate what kind of crime and if you are a danger. If they deem you're no danger then you get reinstated to be able to buy guns. If you violate within a certain amount of time from the last offense, you automatically get banned for a length of time (2 years. also depending on the severity of crime). If you get caught before the two years in possession of a gun, you're done and you serve time. 

    It's deter people from committing crimes to begin with and also to give you a chance it you want to lead a good life, or get you off the street quickly before you can hurt someone. Like a said, very rough idea. Many variables to consider.

  • N Neo

    @vambo said:

    Like what? give some examples.

    @diehardbrownsfan1 said:

    WTF you talking about?

    @browns149 said:

    And what would those be?

    I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining. 

    If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.

    EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.

    @neo said:

    I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining. 

    If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.

    EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.

    The issue is the Liberal Prosecutors e no cash bail and a slap on the wrist for murder...if these people don't enforce the laws the people won't follow them.

    Just look at what happened when they made under $900 in stolen goods they wouldn't prosecute, all the criminals just walking in loading their bags and walking out without fear or jail time.

  • N Neo

    @browns149 said:

    Any crime? 

    Yes. The idea is to target would-be criminals before they've actually done anything. In that stage where they think they want to try something and end up getting busted. Red flag goes up, they investigate what kind of crime and if you are a danger. If they deem you're no danger then you get reinstated to be able to buy guns. If you violate within a certain amount of time from the last offense, you automatically get banned for a length of time (2 years. also depending on the severity of crime). If you get caught before the two years in possession of a gun, you're done and you serve time. 

    It's deter people from committing crimes to begin with and also to give you a chance it you want to lead a good life, or get you off the street quickly before you can hurt someone. Like a said, very rough idea. Many variables to consider.

    @neo said:

    Yes. The idea is to target would-be criminals before they've actually done anything. In that stage where they think they want to try something and end up getting busted. Red flag goes up, they investigate what kind of crime and if you are a danger. If they deem you're no danger then you get reinstated to be able to buy guns. If you violate within a certain amount of time from the last offense, you automatically get banned for a length of time (2 years. also depending on the severity of crime). If you get caught before the two years in possession of a gun, you're done and you serve time. 

    It's deter people from committing crimes to begin with and also to give you a chance it you want to lead a good life, or get you off the street quickly before you can hurt someone. Like a said, very rough idea. Many variables to consider.

    A lot of things would have to be addressed for this to work on some levels.  Such as, an owner could not sell his firearms to another individual or else you would circumnavigate the whole process.  Hell, I inherited 2 pumps and a .243 at age 13.

    But as far as mass shootings, it wouldn't make a dent.