How American
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So if you had to guess, how much do you think a gun ban would reduce the number of shootings in this country? 100%? 50%? 25%? I assume you have some idea of it's effectiveness since you seem to be advocating for it.
Would it be comparable to the effectiveness of a complete ban on illict drugs?
1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?
2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.
The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on. The problem is one side is screaming gun control, the other is screaming 2nd amendment and they are coming to take you guns. There is no middle ground and neither side is willing to budge or listen to the other. I have my own ideas I think would help immensely with the problem but I'm not going to share them.
1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?
Fair enough, it seemed like that's where you were heading.
2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.
This is certainly true.
The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on.
This is where effectiveness matters. No one has produced anything of substance other than an outright ban. The only thing that will do is create more criminals, just like the drug wars have.
If you legalized heroine today, your not going to have 3x as many people slumped over at the bus stops tomorrow morning. The proclivity is already there regardless of the law that has banned it or it's not there at all. Proclivity isn't influenced by Congress, unless your talking about white collar crimes perhaps. Unless you want to address the "WHY", you're just farting into the wind.
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If you believe anything from this article, you have to ask yourselves why young, traditionally white males, would be so angry. And to that note, I'd have to ask you what movement in all of western societies DOESN'T target them? At least in the media, they are responsible for almost everything evil.
If your response is simply, "Boo Hoo Whiteboys", then you're not serious about solving the issue of mass shootings. It's certainly not the only problem and there's no excuse for violent random retaliation, but it's a rather obvious influence.
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1) where was I advocating for a gun ban?
2) You are never going to completely stamp out gun violence, just like you are never going to stamp out the production, sales, and usage of dangerous narcotics.
The only thing you can do is try to limit the damage. By passing common sense laws that BOTH sides can agree on. The problem is one side is screaming gun control, the other is screaming 2nd amendment and they are coming to take you guns. There is no middle ground and neither side is willing to budge or listen to the other. I have my own ideas I think would help immensely with the problem but I'm not going to share them.
You can pass 1.000,000 gun laws but if the criminals do not abide by them they are useless.
You can pass 1.000,000 gun laws but if the criminals do not abide by them they are useless.
Well, how about passing gun laws that don't require the cooperation of criminals?
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Like what? give some examples.
WTF you talking about?
And what would those be?
I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining.
If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.
EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.
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Like what? give some examples.
WTF you talking about?
And what would those be?
I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining.
If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.
EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.
I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining.
If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.
EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.
Any crime?
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I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining.
If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.
EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.
Any crime?
Any crime?
Yes. The idea is to target would-be criminals before they've actually done anything. In that stage where they think they want to try something and end up getting busted. Red flag goes up, they investigate what kind of crime and if you are a danger. If they deem you're no danger then you get reinstated to be able to buy guns. If you violate within a certain amount of time from the last offense, you automatically get banned for a length of time (2 years. also depending on the severity of crime). If you get caught before the two years in possession of a gun, you're done and you serve time.
It's deter people from committing crimes to begin with and also to give you a chance it you want to lead a good life, or get you off the street quickly before you can hurt someone. Like a said, very rough idea. Many variables to consider.
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Like what? give some examples.
WTF you talking about?
And what would those be?
I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining.
If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.
EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.
I can give you a rough example of what I have in mind but it's just that at this point. It's just a theory I have that I'm refining.
If you get arrested for any crime, a red flag goes up. You cannot buy a firearm until you have been investigated. If you get in trouble for a second within x amount of time, you automatically have to wait say x amount of time lets say (2 years) until you can buy a gun. If you get caught before the two years in trying to possess a firearm or are in possession of one, you go to prison for x amount of years and you forfeit your right to ever own a gun. Of course there are many other variables to consider but you get the idea.
EDIT This example is what would happen to someone that has a clean record. Obviously would be worse for someone who has a criminal record and the kind of crimes they have committed.
The issue is the Liberal Prosecutors e no cash bail and a slap on the wrist for murder...if these people don't enforce the laws the people won't follow them.
Just look at what happened when they made under $900 in stolen goods they wouldn't prosecute, all the criminals just walking in loading their bags and walking out without fear or jail time.
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Any crime?
Yes. The idea is to target would-be criminals before they've actually done anything. In that stage where they think they want to try something and end up getting busted. Red flag goes up, they investigate what kind of crime and if you are a danger. If they deem you're no danger then you get reinstated to be able to buy guns. If you violate within a certain amount of time from the last offense, you automatically get banned for a length of time (2 years. also depending on the severity of crime). If you get caught before the two years in possession of a gun, you're done and you serve time.
It's deter people from committing crimes to begin with and also to give you a chance it you want to lead a good life, or get you off the street quickly before you can hurt someone. Like a said, very rough idea. Many variables to consider.
Yes. The idea is to target would-be criminals before they've actually done anything. In that stage where they think they want to try something and end up getting busted. Red flag goes up, they investigate what kind of crime and if you are a danger. If they deem you're no danger then you get reinstated to be able to buy guns. If you violate within a certain amount of time from the last offense, you automatically get banned for a length of time (2 years. also depending on the severity of crime). If you get caught before the two years in possession of a gun, you're done and you serve time.
It's deter people from committing crimes to begin with and also to give you a chance it you want to lead a good life, or get you off the street quickly before you can hurt someone. Like a said, very rough idea. Many variables to consider.
A lot of things would have to be addressed for this to work on some levels. Such as, an owner could not sell his firearms to another individual or else you would circumnavigate the whole process. Hell, I inherited 2 pumps and a .243 at age 13.
But as far as mass shootings, it wouldn't make a dent.
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so, attempted murder with a gun - in JAPAN.
how UNAmerican the title of this thread is.
some of the most serious gun control -
still doesn't stop mentally ill from being violent.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pm-shinzo-abe-shot-speech
Gun Control in Japan. Japan has what many consider to be the world's strictest gun control laws, and the idea is often put forward that the Japanese gun control laws should serve as model for other nations. However, although gun related crimes in Japan are lower per-capita than elsewhere, such reasoning ignores many other factors, which at the ... -
so, attempted murder with a gun - in JAPAN.
how UNAmerican the title of this thread is.
some of the most serious gun control -
still doesn't stop mentally ill from being violent.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pm-shinzo-abe-shot-speech
Gun Control in Japan. Japan has what many consider to be the world's strictest gun control laws, and the idea is often put forward that the Japanese gun control laws should serve as model for other nations. However, although gun related crimes in Japan are lower per-capita than elsewhere, such reasoning ignores many other factors, which at the ...so, attempted murder with a gun - in JAPAN.
how UNAmerican the title of this thread is.
some of the most serious gun control -
still doesn't stop mentally ill from being violent.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pm-shinzo-abe-shot-speech
Gun Control in Japan. Japan has what many consider to be the world's strictest gun control laws, and the idea is often put forward that the Japanese gun control laws should serve as model for other nations. However, although gun related crimes in Japan are lower per-capita than elsewhere, such reasoning ignores many other factors, which at the ...Let's just say that diversity has never been a Hallmark of Japanese culture.
WSS
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It happens. Yakuza (Japanese mafia) smuggle guns into Japan and have been known to murder each other over turf wars, drugs or whatever. They also do allow hunting rifles/shotguns after a strict background check. The individual who shot Abe was prior Navy is all I know for now.
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weird. The assassin was a member of the maritime self defense dept, at least at one time.
Did the murder with a homemade double barrel shotgun.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2022/07/08/what-shinzo-abe-assassin-told-police-n2609939
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He was in the Maritime Self Defense Force (Navy) in the past.
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so, attempted murder with a gun - in JAPAN.
how UNAmerican the title of this thread is.
some of the most serious gun control -
still doesn't stop mentally ill from being violent.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pm-shinzo-abe-shot-speech
Gun Control in Japan. Japan has what many consider to be the world's strictest gun control laws, and the idea is often put forward that the Japanese gun control laws should serve as model for other nations. However, although gun related crimes in Japan are lower per-capita than elsewhere, such reasoning ignores many other factors, which at the ...so, attempted murder with a gun - in JAPAN.
how UNAmerican the title of this thread is.
some of the most serious gun control -
still doesn't stop mentally ill from being violent.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pm-shinzo-abe-shot-speech
Gun Control in Japan. Japan has what many consider to be the world's strictest gun control laws, and the idea is often put forward that the Japanese gun control laws should serve as model for other nations. However, although gun related crimes in Japan are lower per-capita than elsewhere, such reasoning ignores many other factors, which at the ...You're a fucking moron
You really want to compare statistics here between the two countries???
I'm just kidding, you can't understand number or data at all. You only consuming and regurgitate anecdotal evidence that fits your agenda
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so, attempted murder with a gun - in JAPAN.
how UNAmerican the title of this thread is.
some of the most serious gun control -
still doesn't stop mentally ill from being violent.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pm-shinzo-abe-shot-speech
Gun Control in Japan. Japan has what many consider to be the world's strictest gun control laws, and the idea is often put forward that the Japanese gun control laws should serve as model for other nations. However, although gun related crimes in Japan are lower per-capita than elsewhere, such reasoning ignores many other factors, which at the ...You're a fucking moron
You really want to compare statistics here between the two countries???
I'm just kidding, you can't understand number or data at all. You only consuming and regurgitate anecdotal evidence that fits your agenda
You really want to compare statistics here between the two countries???
sissy woodpecker. My post was not about statistics. btw, if you list them, list the population of both countries, or be a pansy and pretend it doesn't matter.
It isn't about statistics, birdbrain.
It's about any nutjob can find a weapon - or make one, to commit murder. All the gun control in the worst gun control country will not stop it.
You just got caught with your feathers down, that's all.
Nutjobs, criminals ignore your gun control laws.
Utopian that up your beak, freak. You are free to move to another country you think you'd love to live in.
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You really want to compare statistics here between the two countries???
sissy woodpecker. My post was not about statistics. btw, if you list them, list the population of both countries, or be a pansy and pretend it doesn't matter.
It isn't about statistics, birdbrain.
It's about any nutjob can find a weapon - or make one, to commit murder. All the gun control in the worst gun control country will not stop it.
You just got caught with your feathers down, that's all.
Nutjobs, criminals ignore your gun control laws.
Utopian that up your beak, freak. You are free to move to another country you think you'd love to live in.
sissy woodpecker. My post was not about statistics. btw, if you list them, list the population of both countries, or be a pansy and pretend it doesn't matter.
It isn't about statistics, birdbrain.
It's about any nutjob can find a weapon - or make one, to commit murder. All the gun control in the worst gun control country will not stop it.
You just got caught with your feathers down, that's all.
Nutjobs, criminals ignore your gun control laws.
Utopian that up your beak, freak. You are free to move to another country you think you'd love to live in.
Of course your post isn't about statistics.
Statistics are based in facts and you disregard facts that conflict with your world view.
If you honestly want to use this one instance where a guy in Japan killed one other guy with a male shift gun to somehow excuse the gun violence in America you are beyond lost and have clearly removed all of your rational thought and replaced it with NRA / far right talking points.
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woodpecker pecked:
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Of course your post isn't about statistics. Statistics are based in facts and you disregard facts that conflict with your world view. If you honestly want to use this one instance where a guy in Japan killed one other guy with a male shift gun to somehow excuse the gun violence in America you are beyond lost and have clearly removed all of your rational thought and replaced it with NRA / far right talking points. "
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you're a moron.
From wikipedia:
"Measurement processes that generate statistical data are also subject to error. Many of these errors are classified as random (noise) or systematic (bias), but other types of errors (e.g., blunder, such as when an analyst reports incorrect units) can also occur. The presence of missing data or censoring may result in biased estimates and specific techniques have been developed to address these problems. "
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The study of data, to determine INFORMATION, does not automatically lend itself to facts, jackbird.
Information gleaned from statistics is ONLY as valid as the numbers reflect - they do not necessarily lend credence to valid conclusions.
You're too stupid to argue with anyone else on this forum.
If you had giant 50' wings, you could fly, haha. If you had any idea what you blabber about, you'd still be an ignorant slutty birdbrain.
So, what made you hate Christianity so much? you decided you were a gay, trans bird?
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