Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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Good stuff. I largely agree with what you are saying.
Let me give you a high level timeline of the DW acquisition here on the board. When the deal was first announced, the sentiment was split roughly 50-50. The ladies who love Baker got their Nickers in a twist (pun intended). The other half was looking forward to the on field improvement (the potential for which Tia presented with one of his trademark video reviews), while having some reservations about DW off-field.
As time went on, the sentiment turned ever more negative. Indeed, it is my perception that this was caused by a relentless barrage of hysterically negative press. I see this as a sign of the times. Most of the media is no longer about presenting facts as they should, but rather opinions based on their morality. And everyone who disagrees is a fascist (oh, the irony), but I digress.
Then the NYT publishes an article, and this place turns into The View Board, menstruation sub-forum. Which is astonishing, considering that the only newsworthy part of that article was that the Texans actively supported DW in his massage undertakings, and they were subsequently added to the civil suits. This probably helped speed up the settlements, and is likely to factor positively into the suspension.
Only a few members kept their heads cool and tried to stick to the limited facts known, as opposed to moral judgements based on assumptions. Hope all this talk about morality comes to an end soon, and we start focussing on performance on field. I am looking forward to our play with DW under center, which is likely to be sooner than most expected. I still look favorable on the trade for the same reason.Not to sound weird but this was Beautifully put including the Menstruation sub form.
Bravo!!!
Not to sound weird but this was Beautifully put including the Menstruation sub form.
Bravo!!!
? See - we need this kind of back and forth during the doldrums of summer...
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Not to sound weird but this was Beautifully put including the Menstruation sub form.
Bravo!!!
? See - we need this kind of back and forth during the doldrums of summer...
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Pure speculation on your part Cal... RE: Kraft only got caught once. I'll posit old Bobbie was a lot more discreet when he went to a sex shop. You can take the truly "offended" women down to the 24 range. And they were only "offended" to the extent they (along with Busbee) were expecting a big fat payday from their Sugar Daddy. If you're keeping score, it's down to the Final Four. Doesn't make Watson's behavior right, but then again your morality is mighty damn selective.
THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Only thing I hope for at this point is an indefinite suspension for at least a year.
2) Baker Mayfield starts and wins us a Superbowl. Winning cures all ills and he's extended 5 or 6 years long term.
3) The Browns then ship off DickShawn Watson and his contract to another QB starved team for a couple of first rounders after his mess settles down some.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
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THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Only thing I hope for at this point is an indefinite suspension for at least a year.
2) Baker Mayfield starts and wins us a Superbowl. Winning cures all ills and he's extended 5 or 6 years long term.
3) The Browns then ship off DickShawn Watson and his contract to another QB starved team for a couple of first rounders after his mess settles down some.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Not to mention Jimmy Haslam set the bar high with his ridiculous contract.
I’m sure the other NFL owners don’t think very highly of our resident Hick.
Jimmah seems destined to make the Browns the laughing stock of the league once again.
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THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.
Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Only thing I hope for at this point is an indefinite suspension for at least a year.
2) Baker Mayfield starts and wins us a Superbowl. Winning cures all ills and he's extended 5 or 6 years long term.
3) The Browns then ship off DickShawn Watson and his contract to another QB starved team for a couple of first rounders after his mess settles down some.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
Right on!
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Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
So you roll with Baker in 2022?
A rookie in 2023? (And trade three 1st round picks to move up!!!)
Hold your breath in 2024 that the rookie panned out?
Meanwhile Chubb, Ward, Garrett and Co get older or demand trades to super bowl contending teams.
Big picture thinking.
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Boo-hoo.... What's done is done, I've moved on.. Apparently you haven't.
1) Some Browns fan you are...
2) Mayfield's ship has sallied Po... Maybe you should root for Carolina to win one? The Browns got what? At best a 4th round 2024 draft pick, and to top it off, the Browns had to eat $10 million of Baker's salary just to get rid of him. That should tell you what the rest of the League thinks about Baker's future potential.
3) Watson's contract makes him for all intents and purposes... Untradeable. With his monster salary comes a monster dead cap hit.
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
First off Steve, it won't be for 20 years. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my personal expiration date will be long before that.... The residual Watson stink will have dissipated long before that too...
Here's my thinking on the subject... We gave Baker away for a sack of seeds. Let's hope Tia's screen shots he posted a couple months ago with the circles and arrows shows why that's the case. Berry and Stefanski have basically staked their careers with the viewpoint that's the case... Teams have figured Baker out.
So if we had muddled through 2022 with a so-so Baker to a 9-8 record, then what? Take another spin at the QB craps table in 2023? Baker- Darnold- Allen- Rosen- Jackson... You may find this link interesting.. Every NFL QB drafted in forever. http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb Meanwhile, our studs like Garrett and Ward are at least two years older. Just like the Rams pushing all their chips in getting Stafford (who was wasted on the Lions) the Browns have done the same. Looking at our division, anyone who thinks Baker > Burrow has an acute case of homer-itis. Of course, no guarantees. Even with QBs like Mahomes and Rodgers you need some luck on the way to the Promised land. Yeah, and I agree with you- our potential road there is going to be led following the trail of an ethical stink bomb.
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Have perspective also.. Rodgers is going to end his should-be-HOF career with only one ring because his team refused to upgrade things around him.. Ocoord, defense, each season is its own excuse.
Take away Rodgers' champ season and his results would be the best Browns could hope for with Baker. Getting to and losing AFC title games isn't exciting for me -- you're going to have to beat Mahomes, Allen.. not just show up against them. And Baker isn't at that level. Thinking otherwise is really a giant amount of cope which helps nobody and just wastes time of legit players.
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Have perspective also.. Rodgers is going to end his should-be-HOF career with only one ring because his team refused to upgrade things around him.. Ocoord, defense, each season is its own excuse.
Take away Rodgers' champ season and his results would be the best Browns could hope for with Baker. Getting to and losing AFC title games isn't exciting for me -- you're going to have to beat Mahomes, Allen.. not just show up against them. And Baker isn't at that level. Thinking otherwise is really a giant amount of cope which helps nobody and just wastes time of legit players.
Have perspective also.. Rodgers is going to end his should-be-HOF career with only one ring because his team refused to upgrade things around him.. Ocoord, defense, each season is its own excuse.
Take away Rodgers' champ season and his results would be the best Browns could hope for with Baker. Getting to and losing AFC title games isn't exciting for me -- you're going to have to beat Mahomes, Allen.. not just show up against them. And Baker isn't at that level. Thinking otherwise is really a giant amount of cope which helps nobody and just wastes time of legit players.
Let's put it another way... Living in Bungle-Land, let's posit (and I'll certainly grant the proposition) Baker is Andy Dalton good. Dem Bungles had super teams for years, but Dandy Andy was one and done in the playoffs.
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Just for the record Larry I haven't moved on either. I realize what's done is done but one more time if this doesn't culminate with a nose holding Super Bowl victory we got screwed. And if the salary cap and the dearth of first rounders strangles the life out of the Browns for another 20 years, well let me quote Don Corleone: "I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."
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WSS
First off Steve, it won't be for 20 years. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my personal expiration date will be long before that.... The residual Watson stink will have dissipated long before that too...
Here's my thinking on the subject... We gave Baker away for a sack of seeds. Let's hope Tia's screen shots he posted a couple months ago with the circles and arrows shows why that's the case. Berry and Stefanski have basically staked their careers with the viewpoint that's the case... Teams have figured Baker out.
So if we had muddled through 2022 with a so-so Baker to a 9-8 record, then what? Take another spin at the QB craps table in 2023? Baker- Darnold- Allen- Rosen- Jackson... You may find this link interesting.. Every NFL QB drafted in forever. http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb Meanwhile, our studs like Garrett and Ward are at least two years older. Just like the Rams pushing all their chips in getting Stafford (who was wasted on the Lions) the Browns have done the same. Looking at our division, anyone who thinks Baker > Burrow has an acute case of homer-itis. Of course, no guarantees. Even with QBs like Mahomes and Rodgers you need some luck on the way to the Promised land. Yeah, and I agree with you- our potential road there is going to be led following the trail of an ethical stink bomb.
First off Steve, it won't be for 20 years. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my personal expiration date will be long before that.... The residual Watson stink will have dissipated long before that too...
Here's my thinking on the subject... We gave Baker away for a sack of seeds. Let's hope Tia's screen shots he posted a couple months ago with the circles and arrows shows why that's the case. Berry and Stefanski have basically staked their careers with the viewpoint that's the case... Teams have figured Baker out.
So if we had muddled through 2022 with a so-so Baker to a 9-8 record, then what? Take another spin at the QB craps table in 2023? Baker- Darnold- Allen- Rosen- Jackson... You may find this link interesting.. Every NFL QB drafted in forever. http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb Meanwhile, our studs like Garrett and Ward are at least two years older. Just like the Rams pushing all their chips in getting Stafford (who was wasted on the Lions) the Browns have done the same. Looking at our division, anyone who thinks Baker > Burrow has an acute case of homer-itis. Of course, no guarantees. Even with QBs like Mahomes and Rodgers you need some luck on the way to the Promised land. Yeah, and I agree with you- our potential road there is going to be led following the trail of an ethical stink bomb.
1 if the team collapses again who knows how long they will be wandering in the desert? Especially with Jimmy in charge.
2 Or maybe teams have figured Stefanski out? They did in Minnesota.
3 9 and 7 or 10 and 6 who knows? Let's say the Players Association fails to get Watson off the hook. Keep in mind that the yapping about how great the Browns are is even stronger this year than it was last year where we were hampered by many other things. As to where we go quarterback wise with a bad looking season from Jacoby? Who knows who cares? You already made the gambling analogy. We just decided to hit a 20. Hey there are four aces in the deck.
4 and no kidding some of the players are getting older here by year. Some of the players might want a big payday and move on. I don't know how long the window of opportunity stays open. I don't know how long Andrew Berrys House of Cards stands. Neither do you. But if that elusive window closes...
And another 20 years of sucking isn't out of the question. Considering ownership seems as bad now as his head through the collapse of the Modell era the Randy Lerner Fiasco and now Jimmy. And who knows about the rest of the owners? Do they love Jimmy for jacking up the cost of star players? Or does he have a Target on his back?
(I freely admit it: Shoulda Coulda Woulda.)
But we can all gloat at some other time. Baker has gone to the dregs of the NFL and it's unlikely that a somewhat above average Quarterback is all that's needed to take them to the promised land.
WSS
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Have perspective also.. Rodgers is going to end his should-be-HOF career with only one ring because his team refused to upgrade things around him.. Ocoord, defense, each season is its own excuse.
Take away Rodgers' champ season and his results would be the best Browns could hope for with Baker. Getting to and losing AFC title games isn't exciting for me -- you're going to have to beat Mahomes, Allen.. not just show up against them. And Baker isn't at that level. Thinking otherwise is really a giant amount of cope which helps nobody and just wastes time of legit players.
Let's put it another way... Living in Bungle-Land, let's posit (and I'll certainly grant the proposition) Baker is Andy Dalton good. Dem Bungles had super teams for years, but Dandy Andy was one and done in the playoffs.
Let's put it another way... Living in Bungle-Land, let's posit (and I'll certainly grant the proposition) Baker is Andy Dalton good. Dem Bungles had super teams for years, but Dandy Andy was one and done in the playoffs.
I live in the area as well. It's funny listening to Bengals fans going from "Blame Andy/Marvin" to "Blame Eli Apple".
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WSJ checks in
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Same old same old but the saga continues
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WSJ checks in
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Yeah, saw it Steve.. More trashing the Browns. Should know soon what the arbitrator thinks about it though...
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And frankly most likely nothing happened that I would find should be illegal. But that goes for a lot of celebrities who have lost their entire livelihood. C'est la vie, sign of the times? It's really an image problem. But just for fun there's a guy I know that was drunk and took a piss in somebody's yard in Highland square. Police busted him and he was charged with indecent exposure. Had to be listed as a sexual predator.
WSS
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And frankly most likely nothing happened that I would find should be illegal. But that goes for a lot of celebrities who have lost their entire livelihood. C'est la vie, sign of the times? It's really an image problem. But just for fun there's a guy I know that was drunk and took a piss in somebody's yard in Highland square. Police busted him and he was charged with indecent exposure. Had to be listed as a sexual predator.
WSS
And frankly most likely nothing happened that I would find should be illegal. But that goes for a lot of celebrities who have lost their entire livelihood. C'est la vie, sign of the times? It's really an image problem. But just for fun there's a guy I know that was drunk and took a piss in somebody's yard in Highland square. Police busted him and he was charged with indecent exposure. Had to be listed as a sexual predator.
WSS
The more you talk about this whole situation, the more I'm convinced the only reason you are upset about it is that Baker Mayfield is no longer the starting QB of the Browns.
That's literally it.
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This is what I have been saying since day one! Yes adult things happened....but nothing Illegally wrong! INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!
GO BROWNS!!!
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